The Linux Thread - The Autist's OS of Choice

[prollyanotherlurker]

aware of dependencies, and also aware of how bloated things are. Like basically any modern web browser.

Even surf. Which itself only takes about 2 seconds to compile. Needs to use gtkwebkit, and that on an 8 thread processor takes quite some time to compile. Better than chromium or firefox, but still a large program. Using gentoo has definitely given me an appreciation for programs that manage to keep themselves small while still being functional.

 

[Redeemer]

people will get sick of it, given the last election most already are, and the extremists will only get more deranged once they get pushed more and more to the fringes, which only accelerates it.

I'm not sure this is a given. There are plenty of examples of cloistered communities harboring extremely unpopular views. For instance, the pseudo-marxist crap has existed in academia for decades. 20 years ago, if you presented a normal person with that stuff, they'd probably think it was batshit insane. 5-10 years ago, it started creeping into the overton window as "DEI" and "social justice", and it became more accepted. 5-10 years from now, most people will probably be back to thinking it's batshit insane again. But, inside academia, I think even in 20-40 years it will still be the orthodoxy (barring some kind of radical intervention from outside).

Open source, like academia, is self-selecting. You are either welcomed into the community, or you are not, and if you want to contribute, you may have to pay lip service to ideologies that you find distasteful. I don't think most academics are truly on-board with the program. If you get them alone and ply them with alcohol, I think their true beliefs come out. And yet, the orthodoxy has persisted for something like 50 years. You could easily have a similar situation for open source software.

 

[prollyanotherlurker]

makes me think of this Luke Smith interview. IDK if I finished the whole thing, but he talks about his experience going into academia, and being pushed away by the super progressive ideologies held by the majority of the people there. That's really just paraphrasing, and boiling it down a lot, but that's the gist.

 

[ZMOT]

Open source, like academia, is self-selecting. You are either welcomed into the community, or you are not, and if you want to contribute, you may have to pay lip service to ideologies that you find distasteful. I don't think most academics are truly on-board with the program. If you get them alone and ply them with alcohol, I think their true beliefs come out. And yet, the orthodoxy has persisted for something like 50 years. You could easily have a similar situation for open source software.

not everyone works like US academia (which has vested financial interest in keeping it up), and while universities always were more on the progressive/left side by nature, even that has limits.
we will go back to a more moderate culture because that shit is simply not sustainable, neither for education or writing code. if all your teachers and scientists suck, what's the point? it will either change over time or simply run into a wall.

 

[HahaYes]

aren't archfags usually depicted as the fat stallman-type nerd?

Average arch user:

 

[prollyanotherlurker]

not everyone works like US academia (which has vested financial interest in keeping it up), and while universities always were more on the progressive/left side by nature, even that has limits.
we will go back to a more moderate culture because that shit is simply not sustainable, neither for education or writing code. if all your teachers and scientists suck, what's the point? it will either change over time or simply run into a wall.

Wasn't there shown to be some involvement with Russia behind the Marxist ideology push in American Universities? I'm pretty sure there was something. I might try to find what I'm talking about. But from what I remember they found Russia was pushing professors to promote far left ideology. Which eventually led to the current academic political climate we have now.

Edit 1: hard to find stuff on it now because of how much the news is talking about propaganda and the Ukraine. I'll keep looking. This article seems interesting. Not what I'm talking about exactly. But it's part of the general idea of what the goal was https://bigthink.com/the-present/yuri-bezmenov/

 

[analrapist]

Rust Linux engineer Wedson Almeida Filho of Microsoft

https://www.phoronix.com/news/Linux-6.13-Rust-InPlaceModule

These words would seem so alien to some young hacker just finishing reading the Halloween Documents.

 

[prollyanotherlurker]

Once Microsoft realized, if they stop looking at open source as a threat, and started looking at it as something they could leach off of. They started leaning in to helping Linux more. At this point, I believe they contribute a good bit to the kernel. I can't remember if its mostly code, or money. But they have been moving in that direction for a while.

I personally think the actual employees and people contributing code, and their time from Microsoft are fine people. The people making decisions though. I can't help, but think they would be doing everything they could to kill off linux, if they weren't gaining a lot more from helping. (like free data for their AI model from github, etc). I want to say Microsoft has its own corporate glowie server linux distro, but that part I could be completely wrong about, since I really don't care enough about Microsoft, and server stuff to be sure. It might just be that they use linux for their own server infrastructure. I know they do for sure do this, because that was how the xz exploit was found.

 

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I personally think the actual employees and people contributing code, and their time from Microsoft are fine people.

Some, perhaps.

 

[The Anarki Main]

Anyone who works for Microsoft today either A. Has no morals, or B. Is completely oblivious to what's happening around them.

I mean, GabeN of all people left right before the Xbox. Huge missed opportunity, he must have had a reason.

Dave Plummer unironically believes the Halloween documents and the Brown Report to this day (he also used to run a scareware business as soon as he left Microsoft but has since grown a pair).

I am obviously missing or oversimplifying some context here in these examples but I bring these up in particular because of their familiarity. It makes you wonder what kind of people actually still work there, if the employees people take a liking to can't tolerate it.

Well, we do have an idea. https://archive.is/simlK
I reckon that as the software industry as a whole becomes less about talent and more about DEI, Microsoft is most likely majority sales people by now and less money-thirsty programmers, but the core philosophy of "fuck everyone else" still rings true. And the newer, politically-driven aspects of it are leaking into Linux, though not from Microsoft, actually mostly from RedHat/XDG. If Microsoft had a choice, I'm sure they'd be more aggressive.

 

[WTBOnlineFather]

It makes you wonder what kind of people actually still work there.

No people, just pajeets.

 

[Another Char Clone]

Gentoo has a world file too. But honestly you don't need to do either of those. Just rsync the entire disk:

rsync -avxHAWXS --numeric-ids root@old-machine:/{bin,boot,etc,lib*,opt,sbin,usr,var,home} .

You need to recreate proc, tmp, dev, sys (anything on a virtual filesystem), bind mount all the virtual file systems from your livecd to the new root, chroot into the new system and reinstall Grub.

You don't need to select individual known folders if you're already using rsync with -x, it would automatically copy /proc /sys /dev without the contents underneath, which is really what you want. You may also want -S for sparse files, so your docker images don't necessarily bloat needlessly.

I did my system cloning that way. My home directory is on another disk, so its easy to reset and start fresh as needed.

 

[prollyanotherlurker]

Anyone who works for Microsoft today either A. Has no morals, or B. Is completely oblivious to what's happening around them.

I mean, GabeN of all people left right before the Xbox. Huge missed opportunity, he must have had a reason.

Dave Plummer unironically believes the Halloween documents and the Brown Report to this day (he also used to run a scareware business as soon as he left Microsoft but has since grown a pair).

I am obviously missing or oversimplifying some context here in these examples but I bring these up in particular because of their familiarity. It makes you wonder what kind of people actually still work there, if the employees people take a liking to can't tolerate it.

Well, we do have an idea. https://archive.is/simlK
I reckon that as the software industry as a whole becomes less about talent and more about DEI, Microsoft is most likely majority sales people by now and less money-thirsty programmers, but the core philosophy of "fuck everyone else" still rings true. And the newer, politically-driven aspects of it are leaking into Linux, though not from Microsoft, actually mostly from RedHat/XDG. If Microsoft had a choice, I'm sure they'd be more aggressive.

I feel like people in the lower levels are probably just needs that want to make a living in tech/coding. A lot probably don't have any real contribution to the shitty practices of the company itself. And just want to be able to get by. Which is why I said that. They probably don't have any real idea about foss. And are more like normal tech fags.

I personally would never say people should work for them, I know if that was what I did for a living I wouldn't. But it's understandable for them to.

 

[Sperg Coalition]

A lot probably don't have any real contribution to the shitty practices of the company itself.

Depends on which company we are talking about but usually the programmers that work for big corpos are either trained code-monkeys (see: pajeets) or people with connections with HR/senior programmers/etc that allow them to exercise power on people who are at a lower level of the hierarchical scale.

 

[Jang Joo]

It makes you wonder what kind of people actually still work there

Looking at the state of Windows, no one with an IQ above room temperature.

 

[Scotched up Scott]

Is nix is needlessly complicated for using it as a desktop user.

this. I've used nix, and to be honest i though it was stupid. its overly complex to do basic tasks that would be quicker in most other distros. the ability to quickly and easily clone your install is neat but why would you need that unless your doing server shit or have a hoard of computers to use it on? immutable distros for general use just don't make sense.

 

[prollyanotherlurker]

this. I've used nix, and to be honest i though it was stupid. its overly complex to do basic tasks that would be quicker in most other distros. the ability to quickly and easily clone your install is neat but why would you need that unless your doing server shit or have a hoard of computers to use it on? immutable distros for general use just don't make sense.

They make sense as a Linux for niggers replacement for mint. Where they are set up. Nothing is changed. Everything is managed by the distro devs, and that's it. (Talking about stuff like fedora atomic, and vanilla OS or whatever).

If you want to do anything beyond use exactly what they provide they're a pretty shitty experience.

 

[Susanna]

They make sense as a Linux for niggers replacement for mint. Where they are set up. Nothing is changed. Everything is managed by the distro devs, and that's it. (Talking about stuff like fedora atomic, and vanilla OS or whatever).

If you want to do anything beyond use exactly what they provide they're a pretty shitty experience.

NixOS is highly customisable, and in some ways optimised for it (flakes, overlays, and plain configs can all be split into multiple config.nix files and conditionally imported). It's absolutely not a dumbed down distro, it's just very featureful in a direction few will find actually useful.

 

[Scotched up Scott]

They make sense as a Linux for niggers replacement for mint. Where they are set up. Nothing is changed. Everything is managed by the distro devs, and that's it. (Talking about stuff like fedora atomic, and vanilla OS or whatever).

If you want to do anything beyond use exactly what they provide they're a pretty shitty experience.

yes and no. you can do the same thing with locking down administrative rights on a base Linux machine. you cant touch any root shit without admin, cant install anything without admin, cant update without admin. Linux will never be the OS for people who don't know computers. just throw a chrome book at them.

immutable's advantages just aren't worth it in most cases. except servers and mass deployment. however i doubt you'll see schools swap to linux machines for education and i bet you will never see governments swap to Linux without it becoming a government ran distro.

 

[prollyanotherlurker]

NixOS is highly customisable, and in some ways optimised for it (flakes, overlays, and plain configs can all be split into multiple config.nix files and conditionally imported). It's absolutely not a dumbed down distro, it's just very featureful in a direction few will find actually useful.

There's a reason I said fedora atomic and vanilla OS. And not nix in that.