The Linux Thread - The Autist's OS of Choice

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has always just worked

I do agree with this as NM has always been good about recognizing, for example, where interfaces are already handled by better, more normal methods (like Debian's interfaces/interfaces.d setup and the shell scripts that handle it, and NOT fucking with them (this is almost an anti-Poettringware principle)).

been better then 100% of the alternatives,

I somewhat disagree, the only thing one really needs NM for is random wireless connections and WICD worked just fine for this back in the day. It is at least not worse than everything else, unlike anything else from Red Hat.

 

[Betonhaus]

Perhaps I wasn't clear, I just learned to accept/adapt to whatever are the defaults in the OS/software I am using. I won't put up with bullshit, but I don't do much customization beyond a few essential comfort features. Using Ubuntu/Kubuntu/Arch/Void/etc. it makes no difference to me. I will accept it and use it.

There is a difference between distros depending on how the developers treat their users. Relying on defaults on a distro where you're expected to not use the defaults is not a good idea.

And it already seems like Mint has slipped from your mind already so I doubt you'll have success with your next choice.

 

[Harry Kuntz]

(this is almost an anti-Poettringware principle).

Isn't a shock when you find out that Lennart Poeterring had no part in (at least originally) designing NetworkManager. Too busy birthing PulseAudio and Avahi at the time.
These internet arguments about stuff like systemd and pulseaudio look to have aged him a ton:

I also find it funny how PulseAudio was wiped off the map by Red Hat too with PipeWire, by someone else and Lennart had no part to play in it.

I somewhat disagree, the only thing one really needs NM for is random wireless connections and WICD worked just fine for this back in the day.

These days, there's no real reason not to use NM, even if you don't need all its functionality, like on a Desktop solely using Ethernet. Its basically expected at this point as a Linux standard (which is a good thing). Other stuff still exists but configuring networking manually was something I never want to do again after doing it on BSD systems.

 

[prollyanotherlurker]

After a year my arch OS is no longer functional. A recent update, I can't pin it down, the NetworkManager has completely raped my OS. I was using KDE along with it, and sleep also no longer functions (the WiFi is off and does not come back).
journalctl shows it's a problem with NetworkManager, no forum/bug reports on the issue. I don't do it for free and therefore too lazy to make one.
I have tried rolling back the version, did not help, so I assume there are other parts that are now screwed.
Fingers crosses a reinstall fixes it, if not, well... I'll just use Ubuntu because I do not care anymore.

I'm thinking, from what you said. it sounds like something with the kernel.

that would explain why sleep isn't working either. a quick check would be installing the lts one (or if you are running lts, install the normal kernel, and see if it persists)

I actually want to say there was somone I saw specifically saying hey had a wifi issue while using the lts kernel recently actually. (nigger it's arch just use the arch kernel)

oh. and if you are using wifi. move to iwd. shit's better, more lightweight, and simple af to use from the command line. it's pretty modular, you can choose whether to run it with dhcpd (don't just have iwd handle dhcp itself) and how you want dns handled.