The Linux Thread - The Autist's OS of Choice

[Baraka Obama]

Or windows, when you think about it. What do they think mounting a usb to a drive letter is, if not a mount point? It's just a different way of presenting the same information.

Sure I'll take this bait.

The issue vs Mac OS and Windows is the lack of standardization. On Windows you get a drive letter. On Mac OS you see everything under /Volumes. On Linux? Well now it depends on the distro.

Is it /media? /mnt? /run/media/ (thanks systemd)? Directly under / as /volume# (synology)? Something else? If it's not automounting do I use fstab or .mount or some special snowflake file? Or is there some command I need to know to run to tell the automounting system to work? It's annoying if you use multiple different Linuxes.

The transition from 3.11 to 95 (or NT 3.5 to NT 4), swapping program manager for explorer/start menu, was a much greater culture shock for most people and caused no end of complaint at the time.

When you upgrade from Win 3.11 to Win95 it keeps the Program Manager and File Manager as an option in the start menu, but it's not really equivalent at all to the entire way to do everything outside of a browser being different in ways that may irritate some. Under the covers both 3.11 and 95 have a lot of the same DOS concepts.

 

[Aidan]

Speaking of Linux, Windows and Mac. Does anyone here use any BSD? I was shopping for a Linux distro, but I think I'll take FreeBSD for a spin.

I briefly explored it years ago and said "lol no" as a daily driver. Great on some servers, though. Try it and see? There's definitely less support for it so it depends on you and your hardware I guess.

 

[homeless]

Backwards compatibility can seem not worth the effort until you really want to get some old program working and then you're left frustrated to hell. Can't say if Windows is going about implementing it in the best way. I've seen people have more trouble getting old games to work on Windows 10/11 than I do getting them working in Wine/Proton. Perhaps it would be best if people made sure tools or instructions for getting old shit working are easy to find if you need them, while keeping the depreciated elements needed out of core libraries.

i use linux every day and i find it to be the best experience you can get from an operating system, but i have genuinely no clue how anyone gets any game over 20 years old working under Wine/Proton, especially if they are from GOG and/or use DirectDraw. every new game works great, though.

 

[prollyanotherlurker]

I would actually strongly encourage discussions about Apple stuff, especially jailbreaking efforts. Damn fucking shame that the Asahi Linux dev was a disturbing manchild retard, any effort to liberate walled gardens is one worth supporting (with the caveat that the dev isn't a loony troon, which sadly, most of them are).

I would think an apple jailbreaking thread would be a better place to do it though. Is what I'm saying.

Speaking of Linux, Windows and Mac. Does anyone here use any BSD? I was shopping for a Linux distro, but I think I'll take FreeBSD for a spin.

And on bsd. I really don't recommend any of them. At least if you are running a desktop machine. The install is simple enough because they have an ncurses installer. But after that. In my endeavors using the bsd's. It really made me grateful for how good Linux actually is in comparison. Things that people consider hard to use distros like arch. From using freebsd, are almost "just works" in comparison. Because they do really set up a lot of stuff for you, you just have to install the packages you want.

On freebsd though. That has never been my experience. Nothing just works for me. I have to struggle through setting up everything. And I just come out of it every time. With the same thoughts, freebsd, and the other bsd's truly aren't meant to be used for a desktop operating system.

I'm not saying don't install it. Just go into it with the right expectations. You will have to do more setting up than any Linux distro I have tried at least. On the set ups I use. Things like wifi, aren't near where Linux is, you probably will run into software you aren't able to use on freebsd. Hardware support in general is worse. It does do some things well, but most of that stuff is pretty irrelevant for the desktop.

 

[Slav Power]

It wasn't full of windows users that complain about Linux.

But when Linux users circlejerk about Linux being superior to Windows whenever the n-th article about how Microsoft bad is posted on the Windows thread is suddenly fine and dandy. At this rate the OS threads will need a three-way janny isolation that the Ukrainian war thread had to be put up to.

On Linux? Well now it depends on the distro.

Well, de facto Linux doesn't really have an automount system. The real way would be to manually make a mount point directory and then mount the desired volume on it. Everything else is just another abstraction add-in to make it user friendly. Also, you don't only get letters on Windows, as there are also the device paths that point to the actual partitions, or volumes. They're like the /dev/sda1 while C: is the /mnt/drive, just a different layer of abstraction on the user's end, but in this case it's been standardized since the 80's, for better or worse. You still default to C: because A: and B: used to be assigned to floppy drives in MS-DOS and you just cannot break this backwards compatibility because it's like that supporting peg in that xkcd comic.

 

[teriyakiburns]

What exactly happens, does it get stuck in a mounting loop or something?

It was all fine until shutting down. I can't be entirely certain, but I assume it got deadlocked shutting off the network before k3s had released its mounts, which meant that it couldn't unmount the NFS-export or the drive it was on. Whatever it did managed to heat up the drive quite significantly while it was happening. Completely fucked the journal as well.

 

[dec05eba]

Speaking of Linux, Windows and Mac. Does anyone here use any BSD? I was shopping for a Linux distro, but I think I'll take FreeBSD for a spin.

I have used OpenBSD on a laptop before and it worked well. I used dwm on it just like on linux and it worked the same way. Wifi was actually easier to setup on openbsd than on linux, it's simpler in design. Same for audio. I might switch back to openbsd now that linux is being taken over by flatpak and wayland cancer.

 

[dec05eba]

I would actually strongly encourage discussions about Apple stuff, especially jailbreaking efforts. Damn fucking shame that the Asahi Linux dev was a disturbing manchild retard, any effort to liberate walled gardens is one worth supporting (with the caveat that the dev isn't a loony troon, which sadly, most of them are).

You know the funny thing is that all asahi linux devs are trannies, literally. It's crazy how many trannies there are in autistic programming fields (such as reverse engineering drivers).

 

[Retarded Weeb]

i use linux every day and i find it to be the best experience you can get from an operating system, but i have genuinely no clue how anyone gets any game over 20 years old working under Wine/Proton, especially if they are from GOG and/or use DirectDraw. every new game works great, though.

Admittedly, I haven't exactly tried out dozens of really old games, but I've yet to into a game older than a couple years that I've had major issue with.
Fallout 1 & 2 worked just fine for me.
Arcanum had this weird graphic issue where the top and bottom halves of the screen were swapped and I had to roll the mouse cursor over the top of the screen to reach the bottom and it would be invisible, but installing some fan patches that everywhere recommends for playing it on modern systems fixed any issues.
I recently found an iso rip of the Japanese release of Wizardry 8 and messed around with it and worked for fine.
I guess Star Wars KOTOR is 20 years old now, and that works for me.
I recently played the PC port of Tony Hawk's Underground and I found both Wine and Proton would crash if I tried if I ran the game exe directly, but I got it working if I installed the game into a prefix and ran it through the launcher exe. Not sure what's up with that. The game run great but I suspect it wasn't reading my analog stick inputs 100% correctly, but if so I imagine that would be a problem on Windows too since it's a port from back when controller support on PC was ass and I'm using a PS4 controller.
I guess I've run Curse of Monkey Island, but that was through ScummVM, which everyone uses to play the games it's compatible with even on Windows.

 

[Slav Power]

You know the funny thing is that all asahi linux devs are trannies, literally.

I mean, it's a Linux distro for ARM Macbooks, so what did you expect.

 

[prollyanotherlurker]

gamers can't bear not playing certain games but they're also not addicted.

Funnily enough I was just coming to post this older Luke Smith video that popped up in my recommendations.

Windows whenever the n-th article about how Microsoft bad is posted on the Windows thread is suddenly fine

Idk what happens in the Microsoft thread, or care. I've never looked at it and definitely never posted in it, and never plan to.

 

[Akerman]

i use linux every day and i find it to be the best experience you can get from an operating system, but i have genuinely no clue how anyone gets any game over 20 years old working under Wine/Proton, especially if they are from GOG and/or use DirectDraw. every new game works great, though.

I got Halo CE working under Wine pretty easy myself, I just ran it with Wine. All I had to do was enable virtual desktop in winecfg and it ran without any problems on my dinky old laptop, maybe try that, it seems to fix a lot of window bugs.

 

[PFM]

A few years ago I found a Youtube client that had a bunch of features like subscription organization and stuff but can't remember what the software was. Any ideas?

 

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Is it /media? /mnt? /run/media/ (thanks systemd)? Directly under / as /volume# (synology)? Something else? If it's not automounting do I use fstab or .mount or some special snowflake file? Or is there some command I need to know to run to tell the automounting system to work? It's annoying if you use multiple different Linuxes.

Yeah bro, the problem with Linux is that Synology, a company that makes specialized network file sharing devices, doesn't put things in the same place for you to find them on the command line.

Even though every consumer Linux OS puts an icon in whatever the default file manager for any removable media, just like Windows and Mac OS do, that's FAR too confusing for your 'typical user' who apparently doesn't use the GUI, and is so allergic to using the GUI, even for five seconds to see where (if it's anywhere that isn't /media) where media has been automounted. You should rename yourself to Barrack Hussein Obongo you retarded gorilla nigger

 

[DavidS877]

default file manager

The default file manager is /bin/bash
Now let me adjust the onion on my belt.
Yes, I'm well aware it hasn't always been that way. Luckily I've forgotten how to use pure sh or csh.

 

[The Saltening]

A few years ago I found a Youtube client that had a bunch of features like subscription organization and stuff but can't remember what the software was. Any ideas?

grayjay is my goto youtube client

it also does rumble, twitch, bitchute, etc. etc.

 

[homeless]

I recently played the PC port of Tony Hawk's Underground and I found both Wine and Proton would crash if I tried if I ran the game exe directly, but I got it working if I installed the game into a prefix and ran it through the launcher exe. Not sure what's up with that. The game run great but I suspect it wasn't reading my analog stick inputs 100% correctly, but if so I imagine that would be a problem on Windows too since it's a port from back when controller support on PC was ass and I'm using a PS4 controller.

launcher probably injects into it for modifications, a lot of modern fixes do that since games arent free software or anything like that, and we usually lose the source code.

I guess I've run Curse of Monkey Island, but that was through ScummVM, which everyone uses to play the games it's compatible with even on Windows.

oh yes, scummvm is very good. you can even play those games on your phone, if you'd like. im surprised its so well maintained, it seems like such a random project.

I got Halo CE working under Wine pretty easy myself, I just ran it with Wine. All I had to do was enable virtual desktop in winecfg and it ran without any problems on my dinky old laptop, maybe try that, it seems to fix a lot of window bugs.

i always forget wine has a desktop, especially since it closes with the game. i wish i could just run an instance of the wine desktop and install all my old windows games there.

A few years ago I found a Youtube client that had a bunch of features like subscription organization and stuff but can't remember what the software was. Any ideas?

try freetube or grayjay.

 

[Baraka Obama]

Even though every consumer Linux OS puts an icon in whatever the default file manager for any removable media, just like Windows and Mac OS do, that's FAR too confusing for your 'typical user' who apparently doesn't use the GUI, and is so allergic to using the GUI, even for five seconds to see where (if it's anywhere that isn't /media) where media has been automounted.

Congrats, dumbest comment I've read on this website.

 

[Akerman]

i always forget wine has a desktop, especially since it closes with the game. i wish i could just run an instance of the wine desktop and install all my old windows games there.

I actually ran the setup.exe for Zuma in the virtual desktop and it installed and created a .desktop file just fine too. Both of those things did not exactly work OOB before I enabled it so it seems to fix a lot of issues with Wine, at least for me. I think you can just launch the shell or explorer on it's own if you want to as well.

 

[Betonhaus]

Even though every consumer Linux OS puts an icon in whatever the default file manager for any removable media, just like Windows and Mac OS do, that's FAR too confusing for your 'typical user' who apparently doesn't use the GUI, and is so allergic to using the GUI, even for five seconds to see where (if it's anywhere that isn't /media) where media has been automounted. You should rename yourself to Barrack Hussein Obongo you retarded gorilla nigger

Just use lsblk