The Linux Thread - The Autist's OS of Choice

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Slav Power said:
Here's a good example. You have a fresh Windows 11 install. You want to install Firefox. What's more convenient?
a) opening up Edge, going to firefox.com, manually downloading the installer then running it
or
b) Hit Win+R, type wt, hit Enter, type winget install firefox and hit Enter again?
The latter is obviously way faster and more convenient. You still have the option to do it the old fashioned way, but do you really want to if there's a better, faster way available to you?
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The first one? That sounds faster in that niche scenario, but what if I don't remember the program I am trying to install? Shit, is it going to be winget install brave or winget install brave-browser? If I'm going to look for a new program to install, it's usually going to be me looking at what those programs are online to compare them, and by that point I'm already looking at their webpage that has the installer button smack dab in the middle. Shit, it's been three months since I needed to install anything, what was that command to do it? wingrab? win-get? Fuck, I need to look this up again. At that point it just seems like a middleman.
snotang said:
It's hard to explain the purpose of a package manager to someone used to the windows way of doing things.
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This is actually a good explanation that I could follow along with. But unfortunately you are right, I don't think I am convinced about the need to compile my own programs. Or more broadly, I don't get why this freedom of cpu architecture or portability or cpu speed matters to me. If I was the dude in the example I would just be following up with questions of why doesn't linux just use the same cpu architecture or why it doesn't have a One True Place when that seems more convenient. I don't need portability, it's not like my programs are going to pick themselves up and move somewhere else. Maybe if I did look over dependencies, I would end up with less disk space usage and a more secure computer. I care about those things, but only enough that I finally clean up the exe files on my 1 TB hard drive if I only have 100GB left or I download malwarebytes or something if I'm that suspicious of the program I just downloaded.

I usually mean this as an insult, but Linux really is an enthusiast OS. I can get why someone would want it now, but the fundamental mindset of the users is just too different. There needs to be an effort to stop promoting it as a windows alternative and let some other OS rise up that meets those needs. Especially if you like using linux, because people like me will end up demanding that the entire OS changes to suit their needs and we end up with some eldritch ruined compromise.
 
HalHalliday said:
Thanks for the heads-up.

I was looking at OpenBSD as well, however, it does seem to be geared for a specific use, and FreeBSD more "generic", so I'll start there and see. And yes flatpak is cancer, Wayland I'm not sure - yet.
Honestly, what I'd like is a system that's at least trying to be cohesive, not just random stuff slapped together. I know that's anathema to UNIX in general, but there are degrees to that.
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On things like Gentoo, and arch. Distros with a lot of packages available, that are rolling release. So basically up to date. It's pretty easy to completely avoid using flatpaks. I haven't for a while.

There are only a few things that need it because the developers chose to force that as the option that works for their software. The two I can think of off the top of my head, are OBS and bottles. Thankfully I don't use either.
 
xXthrowawayaccountXx said:
The first one? That sounds faster in that niche scenario, but what if I don't remember the program I am trying to install? Shit, is it going to be winget install brave or winget install brave-browser? If I'm going to look for a new program to install, it's usually going to be me looking at what those programs are online to compare them, and by that point I'm already looking at their webpage that has the installer button smack dab in the middle. Shit, it's been three months since I needed to install anything, what was that command to do it? wingrab? win-get? Fuck, I need to look this up again. At that point it just seems like a middleman
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I should point out that apps like Steam provide a .deb installer that functions exactly like a Windows installer. If anything they're preferred because then you're getting the sources directly from the Steam repository or whatever
 
xXthrowawayaccountXx said:
The first one? That sounds faster in that niche scenario, but what if I don't remember the program I am trying to install? Shit, is it going to be winget install brave or winget install brave-browser? If I'm going to look for a new program to install, it's usually going to be me looking at what those programs are online to compare them, and by that point I'm already looking at their webpage that has the installer button smack dab in the middle. Shit, it's been three months since I needed to install anything, what was that command to do it? wingrab? win-get? Fuck, I need to look this up again. At that point it just seems like a middleman.
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If you have an issue with remembering six letters then you are a certified nigger. When you launch winget with no parameters, it spoonfeeds you on how to use it, with a very useful parameter called "search". If you don't remember the exact name of the package you can just look it up, and it will still be faster than using Edge to install another browser. Fun fact: with winget, the names of the browsers are short and static, so it's "brave", "chrome", "vivaldi", "opera", "firefox" and so on. The ones that have a longer name have a moniker assigned to them so you can install them mnemonically. Don't forget that you still have to click through tens of different consent forms before you can even start looking something up on a fresh Edge install, meanwhile with winget you only have to type "Y" once on your first run. Microsoft goes out of their way to make your life easier and you're still looking for excuses.

The only reason you believe it would be slower is because you don't want to use the command line, ergo, you are a nigger.
 
Croco said:
Arch is not hard anymore to install
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ive been recently using endeavorOS, just to try the AUR, as i've been very limited using ubuntu on my computers. i think soon i'll go onto trying arch by itself because the experience of using the AUR has just been so good, and i hear archinstall works well. i like not having to figure out if something is on flatpak or snap or apt or maybe some appimage on github or whatever. there genuinely seems to be a package in the AUR for literally everything. years ago i was told this and i didnt really beleive it, but now i do. only tricky part is archinstall seems to break when i've tried to install to a computer using emmc storage? maybe it's fixed by now.
 
Looks like Debian 13, Trixie, has reached another freeze. This is another step closer to release. I'm looking forward to 'upgrading' my Debian 10 fileserver. Sadly it looks like I'd need 8T to cover my /home collection so I don't think I'll be doing the move to NVMe for that right now.
 
Slav Power said:
If you have an issue with remembering six letters then you are a certified nigger. When you launch winget with no parameters, it spoonfeeds you on how to use it, with a very useful parameter called "search". If you don't remember the exact name of the package you can just look it up, and it will still be faster than using Edge to install another browser. Fun fact: with winget, the names of the browsers are short and static, so it's "brave", "chrome", "vivaldi", "opera", "firefox" and so on. The ones that have a longer name have a moniker assigned to them so you can install them mnemonically. Don't forget that you still have to click through tens of different consent forms before you can even start looking something up on a fresh Edge install, meanwhile with winget you only have to type "Y" once on your first run. Microsoft goes out of their way to make your life easier and you're still looking for excuses.

The only reason you believe it would be slower is because you don't want to use the command line, ergo, you are a nigger.
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Bro, how often do you think I am downloading a new browser? Or multiple browsers for that manner? I think with brave it was 8 or so years ago when I last upgraded the computer, maybe more because that's not something I remember off the top of my head. Maybe if I was downloading firefox once a week remembering it would be reasonable, but I'm not remembering to shitgleep when I can't even remember what I had for breakfast that morning. If I'm spending 10 minutes to learn how to use it and what to search versus 2 minutes to install it with GUI, I've actually lost 8 minutes as a casual user. But I was actually thinking of installing dolphin emulator, so lets try it. I'll enter in winget install dolphin, and watch it go. Except, it wants me to refine it between DolphinEmulator.Dolphin and KDE.Dolphin? Which one is the one I want? Is this a difference between the nightly and stable builds? Do I have to.... Le google it anyways???? If only I was using something with like, a big page to describe what the choices are, and a button with a label you can push while your at it instead of a system that stopped being popular after DOS.
 
xXthrowawayaccountXx said:
Except, it wants me to refine it between DolphinEmulator.Dolphin and KDE.Dolphin? Which one is the one I want? Is this a difference between the nightly and stable builds? Do I have to.... Le google it anyways????
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If you genuinely don't think that "DolphinEmulator" is the right one in that case you are a massive nigger.
Winget spoonfeeds the right answer to you and you still can't figure it out?
Please, buy a Mac. They have a package manager in the form of the App Store though so that may be too hard to figure out.
 
xXthrowawayaccountXx said:
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Okay I get it, you want to desperately hate on the CLI to act like a contrarian and get replies. So you're not just a nigger that refuses to use a command line. You're a flaming faggot as well. A niggerfaggot if you will.
Sugriva said:
So I'm retarded and was using KDE Neon on my laptop. Decided to update for the first time in like six months and it totally raped my installation. Lesson learned :(
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If you're not fucking with a system that works, only to fuck it up where you then work on unfucking it as a past-time, you're not a real tech enthusiast.
 
xXthrowawayaccountXx said:
I did. And I was wrong, because the lastest one is KDE.

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The lastest (sic) what? KDE Dolphin is a file manager and completely unrelated to the Gamecube/Wii emulator. I don't know what's going on with winget confusing them, sounds like someone fucked up somewhere, but it doesn't mean DolphinEmulator isn't what you're looking for.

A bigger issue here is that like the bottom of that link points out, Dolphin Emulator hasn't been releasing updates in a way winget works for in forever. That's a dumb thing with Dolphin, the last "stable" release was like a decade ago, so you need the nightly releases.
 
Retarded Weeb said:
The lastest (sic) what? KDE Dolphin is a file manager and completely unrelated to the Gamecube/Wii emulator. I don't know what's going on with winget confusing them, sounds like someone fucked up somewhere, but it doesn't mean DolphinEmulator isn't what you're looking for.

A bigger issue here is that like the bottom of that link points out, Dolphin Emulator hasn't been releasing updates in a way winget works for in forever. That's a dumb thing with Dolphin, the last "stable" release was like a decade ago, so you need the nightly releases.
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God, that's funny. I got it confused because I have no idea what KDE stands for, and it could have just meant Kernal Dolphin Emulator or something. It's about as sensical as Wine Is Not an Emulator. But the thing is, I know that I'm not fluent enough in computers that I am probably not understanding something and I should look it up. If I followed what everyone else was saying I would have downloaded outdated software.
 
Sugriva said:
So I'm retarded and was using KDE Neon on my laptop. Decided to update for the first time in like six months and it totally raped my installation. Lesson learned :(
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This happened to me when I tried it years ago. It was even one of the "recommended" Linux distros on a big Discord Linux server, while in their rules they say forks like Linux Mint are bad to use. Shows how highly they thought of themselves.
 
Sugriva said:
So I'm retarded and was using KDE Neon on my laptop. Decided to update for the first time in like six months and it totally raped my installation. Lesson learned :(
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Hate to be an Arch tard, but KDE on Arch has actually been the best experience I've had with the DE ever. But I have heard good shit with openSUSE TW with KDE too. Seems like the DE does best on rolling distros rn.
 
homeless said:
ive been recently using endeavorOS, just to try the AUR, as i've been very limited using ubuntu on my computers. i think soon i'll go onto trying arch by itself because the experience of using the AUR has just been so good, and i hear archinstall works well. i like not having to figure out if something is on flatpak or snap or apt or maybe some appimage on github or whatever. there genuinely seems to be a package in the AUR for literally everything. years ago i was told this and i didnt really beleive it, but now i do. only tricky part is archinstall seems to break when i've tried to install to a computer using emmc storage? maybe it's fixed by now.
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If you are fine with endeavorOS then just stay on that. I think it's close to the same thing as vanilla but has some quality of life desktop environment preconfigured things available during install. Mine I think had i3+gnome tools out of the box which was nice for a noob. However Manjaro (this may not be true, I read this) treats the AUR in a way that makes dependency versions discrepant, which can break things. In my instance with Arch, just one night of your time to set it up like you need is all it takes to get up and going. Then you dont' have to mess with it again unless you want. Pacman has never once been an issue. Rolling release is more convenient than reinstalling Debian each version. If not arch/endeavor, maybe OpenSuse Tumbleweed or Fedora rolling edition? -- edit: I was confusing endeavorOS with antergos which isn't around anymore. Probably its same team
 
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