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analrapist said:
OpenMandriva has landed an xlibre package, apparently? Any OpenMandriva stans in here?
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I really like OpenMandriva and use it on a few machines (still committed to Gentoo for my main machine), but its only in the Cooker branch for now which is for developers.
Once it hits the Rome branch (the normal rolling branch) I will give it a try. I imagine it will be the same as Xorg for the time being, maybe with some bug fixes.
Not surprised they got a package out for XLibre already, I wonder if they will switch out Xorg soon?
 
Ferryman said:
Would it be more viable to try and run Gentoo with extremely restrictive USE flags that completely disable anything and everything systemd? OpenRC fetches like half the systemd tree for dependency resolution straight up, but perhaps through restricting it significantly, you can straight up prevent it from pulling them back in once purged? Or just do

``` USE ="-systemd -dbus -elogind -tmpfiles -ukify -systemd-boot -sysusers" emerge world ```
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Yes, you can do that fine, just make sure you avoid selecting the desktop profile in eselect to avoid the most normiefied setup. You could use "default/linux/amd64/23.0/split-usr/no-multilib/hardened" if you know what you're doing for example.

If you want to check out why openrc is pulling the stuff it does, you can check the openrc ebuild itself:
Bash: 
~ # equery w openrc
/var/db/repos/gentoo/sys-apps/openrc/openrc-0.62.3.ebuild
Bash: 
COMMON_DEPEND="
        sys-libs/libcap
        sys-process/psmisc
        pam? ( sys-libs/pam )
        audit? ( sys-process/audit )
        selinux? (
                sys-apps/policycoreutils
                >=sys-libs/libselinux-2.6
        )"
DEPEND="${COMMON_DEPEND}
        virtual/os-headers"
RDEPEND="${COMMON_DEPEND}
        bash? ( app-shells/bash )
        sysv-utils? (
                !sys-apps/systemd[sysv-utils(-)]
                !sys-apps/sysvinit
        )
        !sysv-utils? (
                sysvinit? ( >=sys-apps/sysvinit-2.86-r6[selinux?] )
                s6? ( sys-apps/s6-linux-init[sysv-utils(-)] )
        )
        virtual/tmpfiles
        selinux? (
                >=sec-policy/selinux-base-policy-2.20170204-r4
                >=sec-policy/selinux-openrc-2.20170204-r4
        )
"
The only thing I see that forces systemd shit is
Code: 
virtual/tmpfiles
Bash: 
 ~ # equery g virtual/tmpfiles
 * Searching for tmpfiles in virtual ...

 * dependency graph for virtual/tmpfiles-0-r5
 `--  virtual/tmpfiles-0-r5  amd64 
   `--  sys-apps/systemd-9999  (sys-apps/systemd) M[package.mask] 
   `--  sys-apps/systemd-utils-255.18  (sys-apps/systemd-utils) amd64  [tmpfiles]
[ virtual/tmpfiles-0-r5 stats: packages (3), max depth (1) ]
You can bypass that if you really don't care about tmpfilesd by adding a line to /etc/portage/profile/package.provided/* to tell gentoo that "yes yes, I handled it and I know what I'm doing, now go away":
Code: 
# /etc/portage/profile/package.provided/gentoo
virtual/tmpfiles-9999
 
Another Char Clone said:
sic
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Interesting. I was pretty dead set on ditching the 'too but you are making me reconsider. Might even be possible to rip Obarun's 66/s6 service system style to handle what tmpfiles does. The Obarun head (only?) dev does seem genuinely dedicated to rebuking systemd, but one man shows are always kinda iffy. Then again Artix's dev team is also pretty small, but the bus factor argument remains.

Can you think of any tmpfiles alternatives? Short of writing a bespoke script I can't really see anything that measures up. Maybe Antix's way of handling it through a very basic cron job for cleanup a la

find /tmp -type f -mtime +1 -delete
 
Would Linux Mint Ubuntu Edition not have Xlibre when LMDE gets it, if the project gets that far?
 
Another Char Clone said:
You could use "default/linux/amd64/23.0/split-usr/no-multilib/hardened
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no-multilib 4 lyfe

Betonhaus said:
Would Linux Mint Ubuntu Edition not have Xlibre when LMDE gets it, if the project gets that far?
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I don't really know about mint specifically but I feel like they aren't particularly known for being fast to adopt anything. A lot like debian. But who knows.
 
Betonhaus said:
Would Linux Mint Ubuntu Edition not have Xlibre when LMDE gets it, if the project gets that far?
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Why would LMDE get it? Linux Mint in general wouldn't touch Xlibre with a ten foot pool since the contributor had a sperg out in the Readme. 1 way ticket to being excommunicated by every other tranny infested area in linux. At best you'll get a ppa since i dont believe cinnamon itself has to be compiled for xlibre.

Betonhaus said:
Oh wow it's moving faster then I anticipated
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All of the commit are already there, so it going to have a stable release after bug testing probably by the end of next week minimum, a month max.
 
Ferryman said:
Interesting. I was pretty dead set on ditching the 'too but you are making me reconsider. Might even be possible to rip Obarun's 66/s6 service system style to handle what tmpfiles does. The Obarun head (only?) dev does seem genuinely dedicated to rebuking systemd, but one man shows are always kinda iffy. Then again Artix's dev team is also pretty small, but the bus factor argument remains.

Can you think of any tmpfiles alternatives? Short of writing a bespoke script I can't really see anything that measures up. Maybe Antix's way of handling it through a very basic cron job for cleanup a la

find /tmp -type f -mtime +1 -delete
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There's some functionality that isn't just deleting files. The difficulty is parsing the fucky systemd syntax, some of the entries I have:
Code: 
d /var/log/audit 0700 root root
Code: 
d /var/log/clamav 0770 clamav clamav

And so on. What it's trying to do is to create the directories with specific permissions and ownership. You could probably just patch up the init scripts to do it, or write your own init scripts (below is untested) to do it, like:
Bash: 
#!/sbin/openrc-run

depend() {
        need localmount
}

create_d(){
    local mode=$1
    local uid=$2
    local gid=$3
    local path="$4"
    /bin/mkdir "$path" -m "$mode" || eerror "Failed to create $path"
    /bin/chown "$uid:$gid" "$path"
}

start() {
    ebegin "Creating tmpfiles"
        create_d 700 root root /var/log/audit
        create_d 770 root root /var/log/clamav
    eend $?
}

And then use logrotate to control size if its just log files. Put it as /etc/init.d/tmpfiles, make it executable and use rc-update to put it under the boot stage.
You can also put tmpfs with the size=XXXX argument in /etc/fstab if you are paranoid and want to limit your tmp size, it will also clean things up automatically upon rebooting.

I also used s6 under openrc, you can just write an init.d script like above to start the s6 daemon. s6 doesn't have to run as PID 1. Bonus if you use openrc's own supervisor to supervise s6 so its automatically restarted if something goes wrong.
 
With the whole X11/Wayland mess happening right now, do I have to ditch Linux Mint? Its currently at LM21.
 
Betonhaus said:
Would Linux Mint Ubuntu Edition not have Xlibre when LMDE gets it, if the project gets that far?
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Doubt it. Canonical are continuing to go full retard, so they'd have to do it all themselves.
Out of curiosity I poked my nose into the FreeBSD forum, and they seem a bit more positive about Xlibre (although they don't like the name) so it should at least get some support.

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WULULULULU said:
With the whole X11/Wayland mess happening right now, do I have to ditch Linux Mint? Its currently at LM21.
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Certainly not immediately, but it's a good time to be window shopping for distros.
 
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Great progress.
 
Rust Troony said:
Why would LMDE get it? Linux Mint in general wouldn't touch Xlibre with a ten foot pool since the contributor had a sperg out in the Readme. 1 way ticket to being excommunicated by every other tranny infested area in linux. At best you'll get a ppa since i dont believe cinnamon itself has to be compiled for xlibre.


All of the commit are already there, so it going to have a stable release after bug testing probably by the end of next week minimum, a month max.
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Yeah. The project kind of fucked adoption mentioning anything outside of technical details in the very beginning.

Lunduke didn't help. Really though. I don't think it made a big difference anyway, because the people that will matter. Would have probably seem that without him. I'm sure it didn't help. As much as it's an advertisement to people that want non-pozzed software. It's a big sign to have trannies try to block a project.

From that alone, it's probably going to make what already isn't a small task, even more difficult. I imagine, it could even have cut down potential contributors. Not even people that actually care about what they said. But because they don't want it to mess things up for them.

Anyway. Something I have noticed. And I think other people that pay attention to FOSS also notice. That are actually willing to speak up about it. Is the gay-op like stuff going on from far-left "FOSS" advocates. That put out misinformation about people that oppose what they want politically in the open-source communities. And they will do whatever to have their opposition removed. Usually throw around fake, or misleading allegations.




Funny what Brodie happens to bring up in his video, as examples. Also seems like every time that far-left group ends up doing what I described above, Brodie tries to minimize it, and sweep it when he does incidentally end up talking about it.

:thinking:

WULULULULU said:
With the whole X11/Wayland mess happening right now, do I have to ditch Linux Mint? Its currently at LM21.
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yes.
 
Vesperus said:
Certainly not immediately, but it's a good time to be window shopping for distros.
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Thanks. I just want a simple OS for my personal desktop. I'm not coming back to Windows (and if I have to, it will be a debloated Win10 LTSC).
 
What the fuck happened to Fedora?

It used to be solid, reliable and secure. I try it out again after a couple years and the default experience is so bad.

I usually like to get some music up whenever I'm installing a distro so I'd launch a Firefox window and get some music on as it does its thing. Firefox is "already running". It definitely wasn't. Turns out their new installer is running as a web server on the live USB and it uses Firefox to render it. That's why it was "already running". Do they even test this stuff? It's supposed to be the flagship testing place for Red Hat but 42 is shockingly bad.

Why does most common desktop functionality have to be provided by an extension? They don't even give you minimise or maximise buttons.

Battery life is half than KDE (even with tlp), suspend works half of the time (S3). Flatpak support is enforced and GNOME Software barely works. My WiFi adapter ran at 1/4 speed (I was getting 450Mbps on WiFi on another distro, I couldn't get past 100Mbps on Fedora).

Any other distros that have become unusable the past few years? Ubuntu is a given and I remember Linux Mint having some glaring security issues a few years back.
 
Crunkle said:
What the fuck happened to Fedora?
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Fedora is still good, I think your issues 100% come from Gnome.
With Fedora 42 the KDE version has been promoted to a proper version as well, so even less reason to use Gnome (not like its used by anyone but masochists anyways).
Try a proper desktop like KDE or Xfce and see if your experience is different.
 
YoRHa No. 2 Type B said:
Fedora is still good, I think your issues 100% come from Gnome.
With Fedora 42 the KDE version has been promoted to a proper version as well, so even less reason to use Gnome (not like its used by anyone but masochists anyways).
Try a proper desktop like KDE or Xfce and see if your experience is different.
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Yeah, this was my first thought. Got the KDE spin and gave it a try, my network was still limited to about a quarter of its usual. I've never seen that kind of weirdness before.

Most of the issues with GNOME were solved but the KDE Discover/Flatpak combo is still pushed and I find Discover a bit janky.

Retard Marine said:
Guy seems like a complete schizoposter moron, has been known to submit shitty patches which break stuff in the past, and...

https://github.com/X11Libre/xserver/pull/56

I don't hold high hopes for this fork of Xorg but we shall see how it turns out.
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This project is hilarious, I found this issue (link/archive). GitHub has a stupid way of loading archives so all of the comments aren't there.

This comment in particular is so funny:
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'she/her' usually only means one thing.

Another top project for entertainment is the mpv project. The commit messages are full of swear words and the developer wishing death on GNOME.
 
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