The Linux Thread - The Autist's OS of Choice

[Slav Power]

Manjaro was my first distro, and I think it's a solid beginner choice as well.

Manjaro is based on Arch, and Arch is like a sand castle. You popped "pacman -Syu" without reading the Arch front page? Oops, the entire OS is gone. Mint on the other hand is based on Ubuntu, which is based on Debian, which is the most rock stable combo that you can ask for in the Linux realm. It's Ubuntu but not retarded, and there is a good reason why Mint is constantly recommended as a good beginner's distro.

Not MX Linux, not Manjaro, Mint. No point in recommending anything else to a beginner, unless you want them to get burnt on their first Linux experience.

 

[Noyciciw]

what can I really use? Should I just install Arch on it?

Arch, or any of it's forks, or any minimalist distro should work fine enough (probably not Gentoo unless you wanna spend a month installing all your software.). I run a pretty crappy laptop, on EndeavourOS. It's actually my daily driver, and asside from the long boot times every morning, it runs alright enough.

 

[Slav Power]

Arch, or any of it's forks, or any minimalist distro should work fine enough (probably not Gentoo unless you wanna spend a month installing all your software.). I run a pretty crappy laptop, on EndeavourOS. It's actually my daily driver, and asside from the long boot times every morning, it runs alright enough.

Oh my fucking god okay.

Here's an analogy. You have a driver that drove nothing but automatic gearboxes, and how he's asking for a beginner car with a manual transmission to get the hang of it.

The reasonable suggestion from someone who drove everything from modern cars to oldtimers would be something used from 5-10 years ago. You don't have to worry about anything really, just get in and drive, learn how to operate the clutch, it's easy, you get the hang of it fast. He drove all sorts of cars and met all sorts of people in the 20 years he's been a gearhead so he understands that he is not everyone, people have different needs, they don't want to deal with issues, and he knows how to make a good recommendation.

The unreasonable suggestion from an oldtimer lunatic would be a rust bucket from the 1960's. Yes, you gotta work on everything yourself and shit keeps breaking because it's a 6 fucking decade old car, but it's ackshually a good thing because there are no computers, it has a mechanical carbeurator and you can take it apart and put it back together with a wrench and a hammer. He drove them for 20 years and only met the same lunatics as him so he believes everyone can do it and it's only reasonable that everyone has the same expectation as him, and that everyone has the resilience to deal with issues like having to dance with the accelerator to not let the engine stall on idle because it's fucked.

You're that lunatic gearhead that's telling a beginner to get a rust bucket. That beginner will get angry when he faces a problem he can't solve because he doesn't have the same knowledge as you do and get mad at all manual gearbox cars altogether.

In other words, plain Debian is also a lightweight distro that would do just as well, Arch is not the only lightweight distro in existence, and having "long boot times every morning" on an Arch install shouldn't be something you get used to, but something you deal with and fix since every other distro, and Windows, don't tend to have those nowadays, unless you run off of a hard drive.

 

[Trans Fat 41g]

Nah, I'm expecting you and all the usual culprits to cry to Null to make the Linux thread, if not the entirety of the I&T board, the same type of hugbox as the Man Hate Thread or the Ukraine War threads given how you always stop thinking and get emotional when someone criticizes Linux in any way.

You say this, but then pull this shit right here:

Oh my fucking god okay.

Here's an analogy. You have a driver that drove nothing but automatic gearboxes, and how he's asking for a beginner car with a manual transmission to get the hang of it.

The reasonable suggestion from someone who drove everything from modern cars to oldtimers would be something used from 5-10 years ago. You don't have to worry about anything really, just get in and drive, learn how to operate the clutch, it's easy, you get the hang of it fast. He drove all sorts of cars and met all sorts of people in the 20 years he's been a gearhead so he understands that he is not everyone, people have different needs, they don't want to deal with issues, and he knows how to make a good recommendation.

The unreasonable suggestion from an oldtimer lunatic would be a rust bucket from the 1960's. Yes, you gotta work on everything yourself and shit keeps breaking because it's a 6 fucking decade old car, but it's ackshually a good thing because there are no computers, it has a mechanical carbeurator and you can take it apart and put it back together with a wrench and a hammer. He drove them for 20 years and only met the same lunatics as him so he believes everyone can do it and it's only reasonable that everyone has the same expectation as him, and that everyone has the resilience to deal with issues like having to dance with the accelerator to not let the engine stall on idle because it's fucked.

You're that lunatic gearhead that's telling a beginner to get a rust bucket. That beginner will get angry when he faces a problem he can't solve because he doesn't have the same knowledge as you do and get mad at all manual gearbox cars altogether.

All I'm saying, take a long look in the mirror and calm down lol.

 

[HalHalliday]

I don't want to upgrade to Windows 11 so I decided to bite the bullet and learn Linux, is Mint really the best option for beginners?

I think after Windows, the best beginner Linux distro, that offers the most freedom, is: nothing. Don't fall deeper into the abyss. Ditch the machine. Throw away your devices. Burn down the data farms. Let the technological society crumble. Be free.
Or you can try Mint and go from there. It's okay to distro hop for a while.

 

[Ferryman]

Arch, or any of it's forks, or any minimalist distro should work fine enough (probably not Gentoo unless you wanna spend a month installing all your software.). I run a pretty crappy laptop, on EndeavourOS. It's actually my daily driver, and asside from the long boot times every morning, it runs alright enough.

The TRVLY perfect recommendation would be AntiX, unironically. Debian based, very minimalist and especially made to run on older machines. I've hopped distros quite a bit and AntiX / Slackware run the best on my old X230 from circa 2012, though I wouldn't recommend the latter to someone who isn't willing to handle manual dependency resolution.

 

[volatile puar]

@Slav Power You are either trolling (which is likely since you brand yourself with a pink triangle) or you are so offended at the idea of someone using Arch, btw, that you forgot how to read.

 

[Slav Power]

The TRVLY perfect recommendation would be AntiX, unironically.

You know, maybe people were too harsh on Ubuntu's Unity being bad for Linux first impressions.

 

[Ferryman]

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You know, maybe people were too harsh on Ubuntu's Unity being bad for Linux first impressions.

Boo hoo nigga they have no formal CoC, no real forum jannying unless you go around calling people niggers, and they hate systemd. That alone puts them leaps and BOUNDS ahead of the cuck faggots that gladly slurp corpo cock in the wake of what happened with X11. Even a brief skim of the forums shows that despite the frontloading, politics take a back seat there. Could give a fuck if someone is left/right so long as their project is what it says on the tin. Same reason I've no beef with Francis Rowe of Libreboot eventhough he's a total faggot. Something about books and covers comes to mind.

 

[prollyanotherlurker]

All I'm saying, take a long look in the mirror and calm down lol.

That's why I ended up just giving the hint I was messing with them way back. I realized it was too easy, and I started feeling bad. And it wasn't fun for me anymore. Gonna be honest I did regret giving it away a bit later. Since they seemed to just get worse afterwards.

It was 4 sentences. And you wrote a wall of text, seemingly without making it past the first one. Because In the second I said, even if you aren't completely cutting out proprietary software.

Honestly I love the Linux thread. Nothing as fun as pissing off other Linux users for no reason.

 

[Slav Power]

them

they

Who are "they"?

 

[prollyanotherlurker]

Who are "they"?

Sorry I didn't want to mess up your pronouns and offend you.

 

[Blackhole]

Remember when Null told the homopole that he was the only person he had on ignore, and he had such a moid meltdown he changed his profile to a black void then left the site for months? It's a shame he didn't stay gone, but I guess he doesn't have anything else in his life. Sad.

 

[snotang]

You've started talking about genociding Windows users, not me. If you take operating systems this seriously, maybe it's time to calm down.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_modest_proposal

If you can't understand why telling "The Linux Thread" - a thread full of people who of their own free will chose to use Linux, most of them having previously used Windows - that, effectively "the only thing that can replace Windows is Windows", might not be treated very seriously on its face, then see the above link to finally get the reference.

For months now you have very consistently mentioned "Linux cultists", "Linux elitists", etc, usually in the context of expressing disapproval of anybody advocating for using Linux in a way that you don't think it's good enough to be used for (e.g. Steam gaming good, photo editing bad). The consistency and frequency of these mentions suggests that you are seeing this behavior a lot, to be so constantly and vehemently decrying it. I'm not seeing this behavior, so I have to ask... are the Linux cultists in the room with us now? How am I supposed to interpret what you write other than as signs that you have a deep dislike of the state of discourse relating to switching to Linux?

To give an example, suppose you're talking to your boomer uncle and hear him exclusively use little derogatory phrases for things he dislikes: "the democrap party", "the washington compost", "the JustUs department", etc. You would rightly conclude that he has strong sentiments regarding these things.

I only care insofar as I constantly find myself pulled out of my skimming by what looks like obvious bait along the lines of "God wrote it in stone that that market share is for Windows and Windows clones only". You don't strike me as a baitposter, and it's becoming tiresome to engage with what I can only interpret as absurd hyperbole, so I'd rather skip that and try to understand where you're coming from. My most generous interpretation is that you are sincerely concerned about people being misled and frustrated by overzealous advertising, and have therefore adopted the (to my thinking rather extreme) position that to the greatest extent possible users should only be advertised software that is maximally similar to what they're used to - indeed, you seem to believe that they will outright refuse to use anything that isn't a Windows clone.

If that is indeed the case, I can just write off the statements that appear hyperbolic as products of that peculiar position and carry on with my skimming.

Also it's Saul Alinsky you're thinking of, no idea where you got "Nick" from.

 

[Susanna]

Anyone recommending a distro without systemd to newbies is an idiot. You don't have to like it, but it is the default, and if they run into trouble any guide or advice is going to assume they use systemd, because 99% of people do.

Arch was my first distro (though I had pretty good understanding of computer science and a lot of experience with OSX), and now that it has an installer I agree it can make a decent beginner distro for someone (specifically a power user) willing to read the instructions and learn, but my recommendation would be Fedora KDE. Big community, good defaults, easy to set up and run. Failing that, yeah, Mint is a tolerable Debian spinoff.

 

[Slav Power]

It's a shame he didn't stay gone

And it's a shame that despite people repeating this story every time they get fed up with me, they somehow don't get the idea of using that ignore button themselves. Personally, I'd love the ability to put entire threads and boards on ignore for example.

 

[Susanna]

And it's a shame that despite people repeating this story every time they get fed up with me, they somehow don't get the idea of using that ignore button themselves. Personally, I'd love the ability to put entire threads and boards on ignore for example.

The issue is that if we ignore you, we still get to see good posters replying to you.

 

[neal_rice]

Arch was my first distro (though I had pretty good understanding of computer science and a lot of experience with OSX), and now that it has an installer I agree it can make a decent beginner distro for someone (specifically a power user) willing to read the instructions and learn, but my recommendation would be Fedora KDE. Big community, good defaults, easy to set up and run. Failing that, yeah, Mint is a tolerable Debian spinoff.

Isn't fedora KDE fully Wayland now? I would be hesitent to recommend it given Wayland hasn't matured as fully as I'd like it to be. Last time I tried running fedora KDE my rig couldn't handle it despite being up to date (bought within last few years).

Maybe in three or four years from now I'll give it a good try again.

 

[Susanna]

Isn't fedora KDE fully Wayland now? I would be hesitent to recommend it given Wayland hasn't matured as fully as I'd like it to be. Last time I tried running fedora KDE my rig couldn't handle it despite being up to date (bought within last few years).

Maybe in three or four years from now I'll give it a good try again.

Probably is. But X11 is obsolete, and Wayland (through no effort of the Wayland devs, but still) is overtaking it in terms of features modern users care about, like hotplugging monitors, setting different display scalings, HDR, VRR, and so on. The only major thing still missing for me is remote desktop, which is a major hassle on Wayland but just works in X11, but I'm self-aware enough to know people who actually use this like I do are a minority. As for performance, I don't know. Wayland seems a bit more responsive to me, and has done so for years, but this could depend on all manner of things.

Remains to be seen if XLibre will be any good. I wish them luck, but for now Wayland is likely here to stay.

 

[Slav Power]

The issue is that if we ignore you, we still get to see good posters replying to you.

Option 1: tell the good posters to ignore me as well until average reply count drops to zero.
Option 2:

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