The Linux Thread - The Autist's OS of Choice

[prollyanotherlurker]

I don't see any point in "trimming" the kernel on modern hardware except in special use situations but then again I am a retarded sperg.

You don't need to do it by any means.

But it does lead to a slightly faster boot, from when the kernel starts, to when the init system start. It's not really trimming out the things you are using. Just the other drivers that aren't being used with your hardware, and the software you use. Also extra networking stuff, crypto, and especially debugging stuff.

There is a lot of debugging junk left on in most of the kernels that are getting shipped, that are only useful to people either developing the kernel, or drivers. Or are doing some kind of low level development, that need to worry about that stuff. When you disable a lot of that, you get better performance from that alone, a smaller attack surface, and if you are disabling that stuff in the first place you are building a kernel, so importantly a faster build time.

Also making things that don't need to be built into the kernel, modules. Will help with boot times. Since then they only get loaded on demand, rather than every boot always. And using faster compression algorithms. Specifically ones with a fast decompression time. Since the kernel is a self decompressing executable (or something along those lines).

 

[DavidS877]

Will help with boot times

How often do you people boot?
20:06:18 up 147 days, 12:51, 1 user, load average: 0.14, 0.13, 0.09
And that was just because the UPS died and I had to replace it.

 

[Slav Power]

How often do you people boot?

I don't get people's obsession with keeping their PC's up and running all the time. It's not a router, and even then I reboot mine every 1-2 months whenever a firmware update rolls out. Besides, modern boot times, even on bloated shitheaps like Windows, are nothing when you have NVMe SSD's. My smartphone takes longer to reboot than my PC.

 

[GNU Abyss]

How often do you people boot?
20:06:18 up 147 days, 12:51, 1 user, load average: 0.14, 0.13, 0.09
And that was just because the UPS died and I had to replace it.

'ate hibernation, 'ate sleep, simple as. I boot up my computer whenever I get home or wake up. By the time I'm done taking a piss or drinking a glass of water, the login screen is up. Systemd has been the only thing interfering with this, as well as being completely retarded when it comes to shutting off services during poweroff. Thankfully I've been Poetterware-free for a long while.

 

[DavidS877]

'ate hibernation, 'ate sleep, simple as. I boot up my computer whenever I get home or wake up. By the time I'm done taking a piss or drinking a glass of water, the login screen is up. Systemd has been the only thing interfering with this, as well as being completely retarded when it comes to shutting off services during poweroff. Thankfully I've been Poetterware-free for a long while.

After I open 40 windows or so I don't really like to reboot more than once a month or so, no sleep, no hibernate, just screen off when it's not in use. The 147 days is actually an embedded Pi that just listens to 433MHz transmissions for temperatures.

 

[俺たちファームズでノッテる]

One way around this used to be to chain from the windows bootloader to grub, so windows wouldn't get snippy at you. I had a machine set up like that for a long time, until I realised I wasn't ever booting into the windows partition and decided to just nuke the whole thing.

Technically speaking windows devs competence is the reason why it doesn't work well with dual booting. However I personally think that it's purposely made bad so that people aren't encouraged to dual boot into Linux.

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I don't get people's obsession with keeping their PC's up and running all the time. It's not a router, and even then I reboot mine every 1-2 months whenever a firmware update rolls out. Besides, modern boot times, even on bloated shitheaps like Windows, are nothing when you have NVMe SSD's. My smartphone takes longer to reboot than my PC.

I'm on a Arch based system, So I'm constantly updating my Laptop. However I'm not keeping my system up constantly to prove a point. The longest I've ever left my laptop on with Linux was 14 hours.
Even though nothing happened I was still freaked out a bit. I just don't think personal systems (unless for sever use) shouldn't be on for any longer than you use it.

 

[Slav Power]

I just don't think personal systems (unless for sever use) shouldn't be on for any longer than you use it.

I think that it doesn't matter all that much. If your PC is doing some low priority background work like seeding torrents then it won't hurt for it to be on for a few days straight or off for a few hours. The only real concern with power cycling can be hard drive longevity if you haven't built a NAS yet, but even then consumer drives, and basically all drives for that matter, are designed with power cycling in mind. Even in a NAS or a CCTV system with NAS/CCTV grade HDD's you can have a power outage, and then what?

Besides, there's always one crucial issue with uptime fanatics. Even though Linux's file systems allow you to update your OS while it's running, it doesn't mean you don't have to reboot since you'll still be running outdated code in the memory with all the potential exploits any recent security updates you've installed were meant to patch. So it's a wise idea to not only reboot your servers every so often after doing an update, you should be rebooting your desktop PC as well to give it that refresh. Also to avoid the occasional runtime bugs where TIOAOA solves the issue, and you know damn well these like to happen.

 

[Betonhaus]

Is there a way for Linux to tell RGB devices to go to sleep mode without actually going into sleep mode? My computer often hangs when it goes to sleep mode and I don't realize until I notice the fans still going or try to use it.

 

[prollyanotherlurker]

How often do you people boot?
20:06:18 up 147 days, 12:51, 1 user, load average: 0.14, 0.13, 0.09
And that was just because the UPS died and I had to replace it.

Pretty often. Depends what I'm doing. But I have 2 systems I use. So I reboot from one, and go into the other.

Or on updates, I reboot no matter what. At least if it was anything semi important that was updated. You will get some potential issues if you don't reboot. Or at the very least you are going to need to manually restart things. And it's easier to reboot.

Either way. I generally like to have nice performance where I can get it in my computer. The boot time being lower is just a nice bonus.

 

[Trans Fat 41g]

I reboot after updates, suspend when I'm away for an hour or two, turn off if I'm away all day. The last is precautionary in the event of an outage.

 

[Anti Snigger]

It says a lot that pipewire is an immense improvement over pulseaudio. Poettering needs to spend the rest of his life immersed in diesel.

My biggest beef with Poettering is avahi tbh

 

[One Angry Computer]

How often do you people boot?

I don't turn on my laptop daily, so every 24 hours or more, depending how emotionally empty I feel. At least when I do, it's for playing games, to cheer me up a little.

 

[Shine-369]

New to Linux and still learning. I picked up this book which hasn’t arrived yet and have been reading and watching various videos on the internet. Is there a website with a virtual setup that I can run basic script and learn more ? Any advice would be appreciated.

 

[Anti Snigger]

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New to Linux and still learning. I picked up this book which hasn’t arrived yet and have been reading and watching various videos on the internet. Is there a website with a virtual setup that I can run basic script and learn more ? Any advice would be appreciated.

WSL2 or cygwin give you a decent approximation, I started with the latter personally.
Bash isn't too bad to learn, and the unix philosophy as far as programs and directories and stuff is fairly intuitive

 

[Zeftax]

I like to keep my PC on to stay connected to IRC. I do have to sometimes restart librewolf because it goes really sluggish after a while of use. Checked my uptime and it's 22 days lol. I should probably turn it off more frequently.

 

[Anti Snigger]

I like to keep my PC on to stay connected to IRC. I do have to sometimes restart librewolf because it goes really sluggish after a while of use. Checked my uptime and it's 22 days lol. I should probably turn it off more frequently.

On my devices, I have a scheduled reboot at 3AM, it's a solid time to have your 'puters kick you off if you're on them

 

[Anti Lolicon Bomb]

I normally reboot once a week unless I have zero torrents going or any tasks going on in the background.
Is it not better for your HW to reduce power cycling anyway? I'm sure I read that somewhere.

 

[Baguette Child]

All my computers are shut down when not being actively used. Except for one- I have a purpose built machine that runs a private server for an obscure old MMORPG that like 8 people play on. I leave that running constantly except for maintenance downtimes twice a week.

 

[pylosurf]

Is there a website with a virtual setup that I can run basic script and learn more ?

+1 for Cygwin on Windows. You can also get a "live" Linux installation (Linux Mint Live for example) on a USB stick and run Linux without changing your hard drive. Keep in mind that Linux is self-documenting; it will tell you everything you want or need to know, once you learn how to ask.

A small handful of commands will get you a long way: man, ls, find, cat, grep, which, apropos

Good luck! You are starting on a wonderful journey.

 

[Shine-369]

+1 for Cygwin on Windows. You can also get a "live" Linux installation (Linux Mint Live for example) on a USB stick and run Linux without changing your hard drive. Keep in mind that Linux is self-documenting; it will tell you everything you want or need to know, once you learn how to ask.

A small handful of commands will get you a long way: man, ls, find, cat, grep, which, apropos

Good luck! You are starting on a wonderful journey.

Thanks for the info. I was looking for a laptop that I could dual boot, but if I could put it on a usb to mess with , all the better.