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Betonhaus said:
super slow, the drive is problably failing again.
I remove xorg first thing, but it forces me to uninstall the video drivers and cinnamon to do so. and when I try to reinstall those they force me to reinstall xorg.

I followed this guide, the guy kinda glows but everything seems to run correctly up to that point
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you are probably going to have to do some bullshit to tell apt to ignore dependencies. or something. I'm not a debian person. So can't help with that. On arch before there were extra repos for xlibre. and only the shitty unsupported trannie xlibre package. I was able to deal with some dependencies stuff by installing things with pacman telling them to ignore dependencies.

I'm sure there is a way to do something similar with apt.
 
Betonhaus said:
let's say someone wanted to make a super bare bones window manager, one that doesn't even support tiling, basically runs an application directly on X11 with no windowing or decorations, and you can switch between applications by using shortcuts or by launching a dedicated app that basically shows all running apps as tiles, possibly doubling as a start menu where you can click on the tiles of unopen apps and they will launch. this would be intended for tablets and HTPCs, running native linux apps and PWAs through a basic Chromium browser. Is there something like that already? and how hard would it be to add some sort of transitions between apps (or transitions between the apps and the menu) and ensure it supports HDR and smooth fonts?
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I used IceWM years ago when I maintained a bunch of machines in a call center. I setup the menu so it just had access to our tools, and the managers would also get a web browser for certain things.

HDR is not going to be a think on X11 any time soon. For that you need Wayland + mpv >0.40 + libmesa >25.1 + a lot of special mpv options. If we see HDR come to XLibre, it will probably involve a lot of patching to both mesa and mpv.

Frederica Bernkastel said:
The first thing I do when I get a PC is speed run wiping Windows, and switching it to Linux.
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Same for me but also with phones. My last two phones have lasted over 4 years, but I don't even buy a new one without researching what ROMs officially support it. My current phone runs LineageOS with zero Gapps, not even microG stubs.

SCV said:
I've seen this on level 1 techs for a couple things but I feel like it's really tempting fate. Like yes, getting thunderbolt display over usb-c to work via an nvme slot and 2 adapters is impressive Wendel, but I don't trust it enough to use it for anything.
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I feel like those hacks are really for repurposing ITX motherboards which have limited slots. I tried one of those SATA adapters for M.2 slots and it was iffy at best. The last time I checked, the VGA M.2 cards were out of stock everywhere. I do have one machine where I only have one 16x slot and it holds a 10G fiber NIC. If I ever want to add discrete video, I might try one of the M.2 -> SPF+ cards as that would be the only other place I could pull the lanes I need (and this is a full ATX motherboard, with just way too many of the PCI-E lanes going to M.2 over PCI-E slots).
 
HootersMcBoobies said:
I feel like those hacks are really for repurposing ITX motherboards which have limited slots. I tried one of those SATA adapters for M.2 slots and it was iffy at best. The last time I checked, the VGA M.2 cards were out of stock everywhere. I do have one machine where I only have one 16x slot and it holds a 10G fiber NIC. If I ever want to add discrete video, I might try one of the M.2 -> SPF+ cards as that would be the only other place I could pull the lanes I need (and this is a full ATX motherboard, with just way too many of the PCI-E lanes going to M.2 over PCI-E slots).
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Stuff like this is why I will never buy an ITX board. Expansion slots are an amazing way to give a perfectly good older system more life. My server is a repurposed 14 year old desktop, PCIe upgrade slots has given it a 10gbit SFP port, an NVME SSD, and a USB 3.0 upgrade.

It's also really annoying that ITX builds aren't even that small.
 
Betonhaus said:
super slow, the drive is problably failing again.
I remove xorg first thing, but it forces me to uninstall the video drivers and cinnamon to do so. and when I try to reinstall those they force me to reinstall xorg.

I followed this guide, the guy kinda glows but everything seems to run correctly up to that point
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As @prollyanotherlurker points out, this is because you are trying to remove packages that other packages depend on.

If you were reasonably confident that you had building and installing Xlibre to the right place, you could use 'equivs' or some of the tools in the debhelper package to create arbitrary dummy/empty packages for the stuff that those other packages like cinnamon depend on, with a version or arbitrary pinning to make sure that they would satisfy the requirements that the packages you're removing would have previously, that you would then 'install'/'upgrade' to.

There is a good chance you will break things doing this.

If you do go ahead with this, I would suggest at least trying to figure out if you can use this fancy ninja build tool with the good old Debian 'checkinstall' utility, which tracks what files a 'make install' is spreading through the system. That would at least allow you some idea of what all it's doing.
 
Wayland still can't window shade in the year of our Lord 2025. Patiently awaiting the autism of the xlibre project to make some progress so I can get the fuck off Wayland and back to X where this crusty old Unix head belongs.
 
SCV said:
Is there any reason to have a compositor on XLibre is tear-free is working?
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No and replacing a built-in compositor (xfwm4 for instance) is especially pointless as it just introduces the burden of having to use weird configuration syntax for getting rid of ugly ass corner artifacts (among other anomalies) on desktop programs.
 
Lunduke is an insufferable fucking faggot who's sanctimonious and cancerous like Luke Smith, but without the ability to go offline for a few years to touch grass like Luke did. Luke's Pepes compared to Lunduke's insufferable smugness makes any salient points he brings up that much harder to take seriously. Then again... between Lunduke and Brodie Robertson, I suppose Lunduke is marginally preferable.
 
Dread First said:
Lunduke is an insufferable fucking faggot who's sanctimonious and cancerous like Luke Smith, but without the ability to go offline for a few years to touch grass like Luke did. Luke's Pepes compared to Lunduke's insufferable smugness makes any salient points he brings up that much harder to take seriously. Then again... between Lunduke and Brodie Robertson, I suppose Lunduke is marginally preferable.
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Lunduke really lost me with his take on the abhorrent and perverse surveillance state introducing ID verification under the guise of '"protecting the children"; A lie televangelists use to prop up their fucktarded boomer base.

He strikes me as someone who thinks it's shameful to think over talking points and to consider whether or not they are boldfaced too retarded of a hill to die on.
 
For all my years actually using Linux as a daily driver, I still don't understand why should I care about Wayland. Every year or two, I do another big research project about why Wayland is such a revolution compared to Xorg, and every time I'm dissapointed and confused. My Debian STABLE with xfce just fucking werks(tm) for years without any maintenance, most of my work is done inside Firefox and VS Code anyway, so if you're not a 14-years old byronic male posting your riced Gentoo WM neofetch screenshots with anime wallpapers on 4chan/g/ then you almost shouldn't care about that stuff.

When it comes to troons in Libre Software(tm), I too used to get mad at them and all that COC garbage, until I tried coding in Rust, and that dragged me somewhat on their side. Rust is fucking amazing. Straight up pure programming bliss. Troons still annoy me, COC still annoy me, but I've learned to keep my opinions for myself. I don't care about what happened to your dick&balls, just put the code in the bag please.
 
polakrobak99 said:
For all my years actually using Linux as a daily driver, I still don't understand why should I care about Wayland. Every year or two, I do another big research project about why Wayland is such a revolution compared to Xorg, and every time I'm dissapointed and confused. My Debian STABLE with xfce just fucking werks(tm) for years without any maintenance, most of my work is done inside Firefox and VS Code anyway, so if you're not a 14-years old byronic male posting your riced Gentoo WM neofetch screenshots with anime wallpapers on 4chan/g/ then you almost shouldn't care about that stuff.

When it comes to troons in Libre Software(tm), I too used to get mad at them and all that COC garbage, until I tried coding in Rust, and that dragged me somewhat on their side. Rust is fucking amazing. Straight up pure programming bliss. Troons still annoy me, COC still annoy me, but I've learned to keep my opinions for myself. I don't care about what happened to your dick&balls, just put the code in the bag please.
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There's no fucking reason to even bother using Wayland in the first place. I've experimented with Fedora, the flagship of all Wayland bullshit since 2011, and no amount of progress will ever change the fact that it's a subpar experience. XLibre is the biggest godsend to the world of Linux once we went off-track with Wayland and sabotaging Xorg's development for the last 15 years. Seriously, even when I have the most FOSS-friendly hardware (i.e. AMD Ryzen + RX Vega), Wayland is so fucking painful to deal with. Constant graphical artefacting, graphical fidelity and performance on emulated games being "tolerable" but a far cry from a consistent 30fps/60fps, dual monitor support being shaky at best, and not to mention that Steam fucking shits itself even when I'm running an old-ass game like Dark Souls PTDE or even motherfucking Deus Ex GOTY. Maybe I'm just a moron who can't configure shit correctly, but Wayland's an unnecessary reinvention of the wheel and all those involved in its production should be extradited to The Hague for war crimes, and forced to die in a prison cell like Milosevic did. I don't care how mad on the internet I sound; Wayland and its consequences were an unmitigated disaster for Linux as an ecosystem. The sooner Wayland dies an unceremonious death and XLibre takes its place, the better off we'll all be. There's *no* goddamn excuse why Wayland in 2025 is still nowhere near close to feature parity that X11 is, and with all its WONTFIXes in the process. Maybe, and this is just pure conjecture on my part, if you're constantly WONTFIXing legitimate issues with your shitty project, then your project is the actual problem and not the users seeking tangible, beneficial change. But what do I know? I'm just a livid end user and not a supposedly enlightened developer like Poettering et al are.
 
Dread First said:
XLibre is the biggest godsend to the world of Linux once we went off-track with Wayland and sabotaging Xorg's development for the last 15 years.
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The thing I don't understand, is why we even need XLibre. Xorg just works. OS people have an obsession with "le improving" everything ad nauseam, some "apps" which should've been finished long time ago, still get updates every day or every week.
 
Dread First said:
Lunduke is an insufferable fucking faggot who's sanctimonious and cancerous like Luke Smith, but without the ability to go offline for a few years to touch grass like Luke did. Luke's Pepes compared to Lunduke's insufferable smugness makes any salient points he brings up that much harder to take seriously. Then again... between Lunduke and Brodie Robertson, I suppose Lunduke is marginally preferable.
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I like Luke Smith a lot more than either. He might be a bit cringe sometimes. But generally speaking, he isn't that bad.
 
polakrobak99 said:
The thing I don't understand, is why we even need XLibre. Xorg just works. OS people have an obsession with "le improving" everything ad nauseam, some "apps" which should've been finished long time ago, still get updates every day or every week.
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It's taking the Xorg base and relinquishing it from saboteurs who don't have any interest in desktop BSD/Linux/Etc. and allowing the X11 stack to be maintained without corporate attrition. Code the Free Desktop gestapo refused to merge in pull requests for Xorg proper had been conveniently included with XWayland. That and coupled with the fact they tried to suppress someone for wrongthink of preserving invaluable resources instead of futurism-fagging for Gayland speaks volumes as to why the fork didn't just die out.

EDIT: did my reply just get cucked by a fucking glitch? What the entire shit?
 
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polakrobak99 said:
The thing I don't understand, is why we even need XLibre. Xorg just works. OS people have an obsession with "le improving" everything ad nauseam, some "apps" which should've been finished long time ago, still get updates every day or every week.
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There's a few features Xorg could use. Namespaces being the big one so you can actually sandbox an X app and not let it view the full screen or capture all keyboard input. HDR might eventually be nice and some more scaling and refresh optimizations.

And the current keepers of Xorg aren't going to do anything except keep it barely alive.
 
polakrobak99 said:
The thing I don't understand, is why we even need XLibre. Xorg just works. OS people have an obsession with "le improving" everything ad nauseam, some "apps" which should've been finished long time ago, still get updates every day or every week.
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The biggest problem with Xorg as a project is that it was thoroughly compromised by Red Hat planning to render it obsolete for Wayland. XLibre actually commits to a proper, engineered release of X11 that has an assload of backported features that were pending since 2012. Yes, you are 100% correct that Xorg "just works," but the modular release cycle of X11 nowadays is fundamentally designed to prevent a proper engineered release that goes far beyond the scope of the xorg-server itself and all the additional tooling it comes with. XLibre is necessary precisely to point out "hey, all this bullshit that people talk about with X11 could've been solved a decade and a half ago but countless people were dragging their feet in the process." Similar situation with XFree86 like 20 years ago.
 
polakrobak99 said:
The thing I don't understand, is why we even need XLibre. Xorg just works. OS people have an obsession with "le improving" everything ad nauseam, some "apps" which should've been finished long time ago, still get updates every day or every week.
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It's not going to just work forever. If no one is continuing to development on it. Eventually there will be a point, where it's just not going to work with modern hardware, and software properly if no one puts in the work to support it.

Besides that, it's probably a good thing people are putting some effort into fixing the giant security whole that is wide open communication between everything. If you don't actually need that.

Really there are a lot of flaws with X.
 
polakrobak99 said:
The thing I don't understand, is why we even need XLibre. Xorg just works. OS people have an obsession with "le improving" everything ad nauseam, some "apps" which should've been finished long time ago, still get updates every day or every week.
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XLibre has tear-free where as XOrg does not.
 
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