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So after thinking I'd be spending a weekend learning how to do metapackages and slowly trying to figure out how to get xlibre working on Debian 13, turns out someone else already did that and made a repository of precompiled binaries. Just Debian 13 so far, but if the requirements for Ubuntu 25.04 are known it might be available there too.

Betonhaus said:
well never mind then. it was as easy as running the bash code block and rebooting.
Bash: 
sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get install ca-certificates curl

sudo install -m 0755 -d /etc/apt/keyrings
curl -fsSL https://xlibre-deb.github.io/key.asc | sudo tee /etc/apt/keyrings/xlibre-deb.asc
sudo chmod a+r /etc/apt/keyrings/xlibre-deb.asc

cat <<EOF | sudo tee /etc/apt/sources.list.d/xlibre-deb.sources
Types: deb deb-src
URIs: https://xlibre-deb.github.io/debian/
Suites: $(. /etc/os-release && echo "$VERSION_CODENAME")
Components: main
Architectures: $(dpkg --print-architecture)
Signed-By: /etc/apt/keyrings/xlibre-deb.asc
EOF

sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get install -y xlibre

works perfectly in a VM, aside from the curser being squished and some icons not showing up properly

i created a new thread dedicated to the ordeal of me trying to figure out what the fuck i was doing and it turns out someone else did actually get around to doing it.
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This is not good
Wayland needs more support
 
Betonhaus said:
Huh, Xlibre works pretty well on Debian. The guy that made the repository is slightly sketchy as his account has been inactive for four years and there's little info about him but I'm sure it will be fine.
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I'm honestly just waiting until Devuan properly integrates XLibre before jumping ship... that is to say, unless there's a community spin of Mint in the foreseeable future that bases itself on Devuan and not Debian proper (wishful thinking, I know).
 
Fledgling Neuromancer said:
man 1 rmdir
It behaves the same in FreeBSD as well
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I mean. yeah that's the obvious answer. Or rm -d even.


Frederica Bernkastel said:
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This is not good
Wayland needs more support
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idk when that was written. But some of those definitely have wayland support now. Others are working on it. Not sure what Hawaii even is, and enlightenment, I would be surprised if they ever support it. I don't really know much about enlightenment's current state though.
 
yeah yo
DavidS877 said:
Looks like ivpn also supports OpenVPN, which Nixos seems to have a client for too.
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yeah you can use openvpn but it doesnt usually give me great speeds even though im choosing a local server, and i can't server hop easily
 
Gaming on Linux hasn't been great so far... by @Jayztwocents
They've been running Bazzite for a month. Main points:
>fuck Microsoft
>most Steam games just work
>games run much slower then on Windows
>multiplayer is a no-go because of an anti-cheat, secure-boot, etc. for e.g. Battlefield 6
>you can miss on early-access weekends, because you need to wait for Bazzite release to update the drivers
>if you dual-boot with Windows for multiplayer games, Windows can, and will, brick your boot-loader
>Linux errors not helpful for noobs
I would say it's a pretty realistic review of how using Linux would go for most people.
 
prollyanotherlurker said:
idk when that was written. But some of those definitely have wayland support now. Others are working on it. Not sure what Hawaii even is, and enlightenment, I would be surprised if they ever support it. I don't really know much about enlightenment's current state though.
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Enlightenment is working on it. I think you need to build both Enlightenment and Wayland from source at the moment though.

AFAIK GNOME and KDE are the only two that officially support Wayland, it's experimental for everything else.
 
Froggy Fresh Sextape said:
Enlightenment is working on it. I think you need to build both Enlightenment and Wayland from source at the moment though.

AFAIK GNOME and KDE are the only two that officially support Wayland, it's experimental for everything else.
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Coincidentally, those two are the biggest backed projects able to put a enormous investment into rewriting a core system from scratch.
 
Banana Hammock said:
Do they? I haven't noticed any issues, but I've only been playing jrpgs since switching.
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I'm thinking it's the opposite. Windows 11 has so much dogshit bloat that I would think games running even under Proton would be better. Mental Outlaw also did a vid showcasing under certain circumstances that some games run better under Linux than it does on Windows, and it makes sense because all Proton is doing is directly translating the system calls without any shitty pajeet coded overhead.
 
Betonhaus said:
Coincidentally, those two are the biggest backed projects able to put a enormous investment into rewriting a core system from scratch.
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Yes, the most benevolent Wayland devs essentially just said "hey lol rewrite this stuff to make it compatible." LXQt is pretty far along. Cinnamon and MATE are getting there. XFCE will probably just abandon Wayland support at some point, there's very little interest and not many devs still working on it.

I'm not sure what kind of hell will be unleashed when GNOME drops X11 support, which should be coming pretty soon now.
 
Froggy Fresh Sextape said:
Yes, the most benevolent Wayland devs essentially just said "hey lol rewrite this stuff to make it compatible." LXQt is pretty far along. Cinnamon and MATE are getting there. XFCE will probably just abandon Wayland support at some point, there's very little interest and not many devs still working on it.

I'm not sure what kind of hell will be unleashed when GNOME drops X11 support, which should be coming pretty soon now.
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Best case scenario everyone switches from Gnome to Cinnamon or KDE.

But we might be looking at a hard fork where package maintainers end up supporting only one package or the other, causing a chain reaction where the two or three branches become incompatible with each other, like the difference between Linux and BSD.

Itll be bad if manufacturers like Nvidia or Intel only make driver a compatible with one fork or another.
 
HalHalliday said:
>games run much slower then on Windows
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Anecdotal, sure, and not at all empirical but: The two games I play most frequently (FFXIV and HoI) run very noticeably smoother than on the windows machine I used to use.


In fact, I don't think I've noticed any of the games in my library running slower on my Debian box than they did on the windows one. This despite the current machine I use for gaming having hardware a few years older than the windows one did. Maybe it's just the kind of games I'm choosing to play. I dunno.
 
HalHalliday said:
>games run much slower then on Windows
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Baguette Child said:
Anecdotal, sure, and not at all empirical but: The two games I play most frequently (FFXIV and HoI) run very noticeably smoother than on the windows machine I used to use.

In fact, I don't think I've noticed any of the games in my library running slower on my Debian box than they did on the windows one. This despite the current machine I use for gaming having hardware a few years older than the windows one did. Maybe it's just the kind of games I'm choosing to play. I dunno.
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There's one possible factor that Jayztwocents hasn't mentioned. X11 or Wayland? You're running Debian, they're running Bazzite (a Fedora derivative). The latter is almost certainly Wayland-first.
 
Bit of a Linux noob question but is it possible on EndeavourOS to completely switch to xLibre? I know it's running and all but obviously with KDE being my default it's running off Wayland primarily and I'm sick of the issues I've been having with it. The windows for Brave and Steam will sometimes not fully maximize and the cursor is graphically off were it actually is and it's SUCH a pain. Only solution I can think of and open to trying anything to get this resolved if I can't switch to xLibre fully.
 
HalHalliday said:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Bute69Oj87IGaming on Linux hasn't been great so far... by @Jayztwocents
They've been running Bazzite for a month. Main points:
>fuck Microsoft
>most Steam games just work
>games run much slower then on Windows
>multiplayer is a no-go because of an anti-cheat, secure-boot, etc. for e.g. Battlefield 6
>you can miss on early-access weekends, because you need to wait for Bazzite release to update the drivers
>if you dual-boot with Windows for multiplayer games, Windows can, and will, brick your boot-loader
>Linux errors not helpful for noobs
I would say it's a pretty realistic review of how using Linux would go for most people.
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yeah hes not technically wrong that a noob is going to install whatever distro people recommend them and if it doesnt work theyll just cry and go back to windows
thats why i usually caution people just getting into linux that your first distro may just be insanely buggy for no reason and nobody will be able to help you
so its getting them to the point where theyre comfortable distro hopping to find something that works out of the box that deters me from giving people a blanket "install linux" recommendation
 
wafflesies said:
yeah hes not technically wrong that a noob is going to install whatever distro people recommend them
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I'm still not sure why he went with Bazzite instead of Mint. Aside from Archfags, that's the one that everyone will recommend you to. Maybe Ubuntu.
 
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