The Linux Thread - The Autist's OS of Choice

[Dread First]

And I definitely get why RMS decided to do it. Maybe it overall wasn't the best move. But I understand it.

To paraphrase Linus Torvalds on why he stuck with GPLv2 over GPLv3, these were his reasons:

1. His understanding of GPLv2 was "I give you source code, you give me your changes, we're even." Conversely, he interprets GPLv3 as "I give you source code, you give me your changes, but you're not allowed to utilise my software or modify it beyond the arbitrary rules that I've set." To him, it completely betrays everything that GPLv2 stood for.
2. The FSF did some sneaky, shady shit to try and get him to migrate. They said that you could invalidate the Tivoization clause, but neglected to mention that the GPLv3 without Tivoization is compatible with the unredacted GPLv3. Therefore, someone else can start a fork of the kernel with the full GPLv3 license, and other people can develop drivers and firmware for the forked kernel. In this scenario, Linus would be in a position where he provides the source code, but he can't take back their changes.
3. Tivo, as a hardware manufacturer, submitted perfectly valid patches to the Linux kernel, working around bugs in the MIPS chipset that they were using. Linus doesn't like TiVo's collective decision to lock down the hardware if modified software is detected, yet the patches they submitted were worthy of being integrated into the kernel itself. Were they supposed to shun TiVo altogether and tell them to take a hike?
4. He believes it's not a software developer's place to tell a hardware manufacturer what to do with their products. Furthermore, the decision to lock down hardware isn't a decision unique to TiVo in the first place. Wireless carriers do it too, and there are even situations where the law specifically requires it. He mentioned that the GPL does make an exception for legal requirements in the context of medical machinery.

Taken from his speech at DebConf 2014. Video as below.

 

[prollyanotherlurker]

Taken from his speech at DebConf 2014. Video as below.

This is taken from the article, I remember seeing the video where he says this. It's a bit later on I believe.


Like this mentions they did eventually make some excepts for laws, and Linus found those more acceptable. But still didn't have any interest in moving to that license for the reasons stated above.

I'm a bit conflicted about it because. For one, just look at the horrible software, and hardware we have today. The level of spyware that is out there, most people don't even comprehend unless you are actually paying attention to it. All kinds of fucked up stuff.

Maybe it would have hurt the spread of free software. But I wonder if it also could have given some incentive to stop the insane shit we are dealing with now. Linus, I do respect him quite a bit. People here might have criticisms for him, but he has done a lot. But he is also very biased. He makes a living off of these companies and he will want to do what he can to make sure that continues.

Just look at what the "Linux" foundation does now. Where that money goes.

 

[acid_ra1n]

Maybe it would have hurt the spread of free software. But I wonder if it also could have given some incentive to stop the insane shit we are dealing with now

so what we're experiencing right now is what happens when you shun enterprise and try to gatekeep your software.
enterprise, unlike free software, has the resources to make their own everything, very quickly.
if you shun enterprise, they will kick you out of the market, and they will replace you with something that is corporate friendly.
that was really the mistake stallman made. you can't stop intel from making their own MINIX, you can just prevent them from using your MINIX to do it.

 

[prollyanotherlurker]

so what we're experiencing right now is what happens when you shun enterprise and try to gatekeep your software.
enterprise, unlike free software, has the resources to make their own everything, very quickly.
if you shun enterprise, they will kick you out of the market, and they will replace you with something that is corporate friendly.
that was really the mistake stallman made. you can't stop intel from making their own MINIX, you can just prevent them from using your MINIX to do it.

It's not explicitly shunning enterprise. It is pressuring them to conform to free and open software. That has it's own implications on how free the software is, if it forces their hand.

The way I see it though. Is with no force against it. It festers and gets worse. The state of the Internet, hardware, and software should make my point for me. With no incentive to do so, they won't. I understand that it isn't that simple. There are other complications, and other ways they will get around it. I'm just saying if no pressure is applied to them, they won't even consider changing how they do things.

The minix example. Is just showing that, yes these companies will absolutely take cuck licensed software, contribute nothing back to it, and use it to do horrible shit if you allow them. Because they will always prefer the path of least resistance.

Oh and them kicking you out of the market. The reason I brought up the "ethical software" types. Is because them, and people aligned with them, tend to be ones that are very anti-gnu, and pro anything else. its something I have seen a lot actually. If you talk with a tranny, that almost certainly are not a fan of gnu. It's a pretty consistent pattern I've seen.

 

[Vibe_Guy]

Can somebody explain to me why Lunduke Journal is supposedly not only getting death threats but also open invitations to violence at the behest of industry speakers?

Heard it from him multiple times, and don't understand what is he doing exactly to elicit such a vitriolic response. Did he lie by omission and I'm missing some context where he was supposedly fighting fire with fire, or is it a case of him genuinely being pushed away due to his beliefs and ideas?

Don't watch him often enough, found him recently. Usually listen causally while doing chores.

I've personally pissed off some people with opposing views, and vice versa, but I've yet to see anybody openly call violence. Not that it doesn't happen in some cringe queer discord, but if it's not public, don't see the need to take it seriously as it's probably just blowing hot air.

 

[prollyanotherlurker]

Can somebody explain to me why Lunduke Journal is supposedly not only getting death threats but also open invitations to violence at the behest of industry speakers?

Heard it from him multiple times, and don't understand what is he doing exactly to elicit such a vitriolic response. Did he lie by omission and I'm missing some context where he was supposedly fighting fire with fire, or is it a case of him genuinely being pushed away due to his beliefs and ideas?

Don't watch him often enough, found him recently. Usually listen causally while doing chores.

Umm. Sweaty he is a violent Jewish Nazi. We heckin punch NAZIs here

Silence is violence

If that chud can feel safe talking about tech in a tech conference then every trans person in that crowd is basically genocided.

 

[Vibe_Guy]

Umm. Sweaty he is a violent Jewish Nazi. We heckin punch NAZIs here

Silence is violence

If that chud can feel safe talking about tech in a tech conference then every trans person in that crowd is basically genocided.

Understanding the humor, but he is not advocating for the elimination of trans people from the face of the planet. It's a idea, so it's impossible.

Voicing displeasure, resentment or critiquing the trans community isn't the same as circulating a picture saying "see this person? Make him scared, any means necessary."

Did Lunduke at any point, ever, openly call for violence, implied violence or otherwise threathened someone? Not a implied threat like "I think gender bathrooms shouldn't exist" but a threat threat like "X person needs to be assaulted or otherwise threathened trough other means."

 

[acid_ra1n]

Understanding the humor, but he is not advocating for the elimination of trans people from the face of the planet. It's a idea, so it's impossible.

Voicing displeasure, resentment or critiquing the trans community isn't the same as circulating a picture saying "see this person? Make him scared, any means necessary."

Did Lunduke at any point, ever, openly call for violence, implied violence or otherwise threathened someone? Not a implied threat like "I think gender bathrooms shouldn't exist" but a threat threat like "X person needs to be assaulted or otherwise threathened trough other means."

his youtube is heavily censored, if he said what he says not on youtube his channel would just be banned
i don't read his stuff off of youtube so idk what he said but apparently it was enough to make leftists piss and shit their pants at the mere mention of his name

 

[prollyanotherlurker]

Understanding the humor, but he is not advocating for the elimination of trans people from the face of the planet. It's a idea, so it's impossible.

Voicing displeasure, resentment or critiquing the trans community isn't the same as circulating a picture saying "see this person? Make him scared, any means necessary."

Did Lunduke at any point, ever, openly call for violence, implied violence or otherwise threathened someone? Not a implied threat like "I think gender bathrooms shouldn't exist" but a threat threat like "X person needs to be assaulted or otherwise threathened trough other means."

No lunduke hasn't he's just a conservative guy. That has been very vocal.

He is sometimes obviously inflammatory. And does sometimes leave out context. I think part of his strategy with it, is to make these people more likely to post dumb shit in anger, after a story, so he can then make a story about that.

But the threats are almost certainly because he is a conservative who refused to suck the troon dick. Most people just want to do their tech projects and be left alone so they give in before it gets to that point. Really it's just these people showing their true colors more than anything.

 

[Vibe_Guy]

He is sometimes obviously inflammatory. And does sometimes leave out context. I think part of his strategy with it, is to make these people more likely to post dumb shit in anger, after a story, so he can then make a story about that.

He is being threathened with real world threats of harm, possibly murder to a lesser degree (being charitable and assuming these are empty threats by genuinely mentally ill, as in DSM-5 recognized disorder ill, that isn't endorsed by moderate leftists) because he twists their words and rage baits them on ocassion to cause chaos. Am I understanding you correctly?

Asking for clarification because being a verbal bully is not an open invitation for violence, unless the bully has strongly implied or openly threatened violence to intimidate you into submission. Which in my experience can only be dealt with a invitation to and being ready for violence in that specific case to show you are not to be pushed around by low life scum with addiction and daddy/mommy issues.

his youtube is heavily censored, if he said what he says not on youtube his channel would just be banned
i don't read his stuff off of youtube so idk what he said but apparently it was enough to make leftists piss and shit their pants at the mere mention of his name

As in on xitter or other sites? Don't use xitter outside of archiving for KF on ocassion so I want to see what is so bad to deserve the nazi treatment.

 

[prollyanotherlurker]

He is being threathened with real world threats of harm, possibly murder to a lesser degree (being charitable and assuming these are empty threats by genuinely mentally ill, as in DSM-5 recognized disorder ill, that isn't endorsed by moderate leftists) because he twists their words and rage baits them on ocassion to cause chaos. Am I understanding you correctly?

Asking for clarification because being a verbal bully is not an open invitation for violence, unless the bully has strongly implied or openly threatened violence to intimidate you into submission. Which in my experience can only be dealt with a invitation to and being ready for violence in that specific case to show you are not to be pushed around by low life scum with addiction and daddy/mommy issues.

I don't think it's because he twists their words. He has an opposing viewpoint. And he refuses to back down. Most of the others have backed down once the mob got turned on them. Lunduke for a while, was basically the only vocal outspoken person with a platform that was pointing out things like the original nix take over. The crazy stuff with opensuse, with canonical, red hat, a lot of political take overs of open source projects.

I'm planning to do a write up today going over the nix thing actually. Going over the account I found of one of the people that was thrown out. It's a long video, and the guy is a soft spoken autist so I think it would really benefit from a summary, and outline of what he talks about.

Basically he was the guy that wouldn't shut up about what these people were doing. If you see how these people turned on just the nix guy I'm talking about, who you can tell is just someone that wanted to have everyone work together. It makes a lot of sense that these people when faced with someone outspoken like Lunduke turned to violent threats to try shutting him up.

Thankfully that obviously didn't work.

To make it very clear. No lunduke did not doing anything to justify sending him direct threats on his life. Which to my understanding they did send him specific direct threats. Along with the more vague ones he got.

 

[Vibe_Guy]

Basically he was the guy that wouldn't shut up about what these people were doing. If you see how these people turned on just the nix guy I'm talking about, who you can tell is just someone that wanted to have everyone work together. It makes a lot of sense that these people when faced with someone outspoken like Lunduke turned to violent threats to try shutting him up.

To make it very clear. No lunduke did not doing anything to justify sending him direct threats on his life. Which to my understanding they did send him specific direct threats. Along with the more vague ones he got.

Very fascist like tactics from people who supposedly fight fascists. Ironic and would be funny if it weren't for the fact people are getting seriously hurt or killed. Tag or write on my profile after the writeup I'd be interested to read about it.

 

[Rekeita's Kidneys]

Decided to splurge on a 5080 since the prices seem to be going down a bit.

Unfortunately had to switch away from Sway, I tried Hyprland, decided it was meh... Now I'm on Niri.

It seems quite nice! None of the bugs I was experiencing in either of em seem to be appearing, seems stable.

Any tips for someone running NVIDIA + Wayland in the year of our lord 2025?

 

[acid_ra1n]

It's not explicitly shunning enterprise. It is pressuring them to conform to free and open software. That has it's own implications on how free the software is, if it forces their hand.

The way I see it though. Is with no force against it. It festers and gets worse. The state of the Internet, hardware, and software should make my point for me. With no incentive to do so, they won't. I understand that it isn't that simple. There are other complications, and other ways they will get around it. I'm just saying if no pressure is applied to them, they won't even consider changing how they do things.

The minix example. Is just showing that, yes these companies will absolutely take cuck licensed software, contribute nothing back to it, and use it to do horrible shit if you allow them. Because they will always prefer the path of least resistance.

Oh and them kicking you out of the market. The reason I brought up the "ethical software" types. Is because them, and people aligned with them, tend to be ones that are very anti-gnu, and pro anything else. its something I have seen a lot actually. If you talk with a tranny, that almost certainly are not a fan of gnu. It's a pretty consistent pattern I've seen.

so i think the big idea here is we do not exist in a bubble. for every gpl v3 piece of software out there, there is an alternative. if there is no alternative, one will be created if there is a genuine need for it.
that's why i see a fundamental disconnect between the fsf's ideology and reality. if it were up to them, we would all be running 10 year old thinkpads and 4 core power9 servers with old radeon gpus.
in a world where it's gpl v3 or nothing, i could see the market being forced. but like i said, no code is holy. no matter how big your project, it can be reinvented.
that's what should scare you about uutils. gnu is running on c. despite all the rust hate, they are getting a shitload of funding to replace c code. not only do they have a chance to make a cross-platform toolchain for use on windows and macos, which fsf fans say they don't care about, they have the chance to fully replace gnutils on linux because they can sell it as more secure.

Decided to splurge on a 5080 since the prices seem to be going down a bit.

Unfortunately had to switch away from Sway, I tried Hyprland, decided it was meh... Now I'm on Niri.

It seems quite nice! None of the bugs I was experiencing in either of em seem to be appearing, seems stable.

Any tips for someone running NVIDIA + Wayland in the year of our lord 2025?

one bug they have is fixed in a debug flag, if you open obs and try to record something you may notice the recording is super choppy
just enable the nvidia debug flags for... frame sync or something and it should be fixed
thats the only thing i noticed on niri when i used it briefly

 

[Rekeita's Kidneys]

one bug they have is fixed in a debug flag, if you open obs and try to record something you may notice the recording is super choppy
just enable the nvidia debug flags for... frame sync or something and it should be fixed
thats the only thing i noticed on niri when i used it briefly

I just use ffmpeg/wf-recorder directly to record stuff when needed, but thanks for the info bro, I'm sure others here could use it as well

 

[prollyanotherlurker]

I just installed kdenlive because I'm going to need to edit something really quick. After I installed it, and the million dependencies, it literally called the hook to rebuild my initramfs. That's the kind of shit that makes me never want to use anything with a K at the beginning of it. Why the fuck should so much shit be installed for a video editor it triggers my initramfs to get rebuilt?

 

[Trans Fat 41g]

I just installed kdenlive because I'm going to need to edit something really quick. After I installed it, and the million dependencies, it literally called the hook to rebuild my initramfs. That's the kind of shit that makes me never want to use anything with a K at the beginning of it. Why the fuck should so much shit be installed for a video editor it triggers my initramfs to get rebuilt?

Even more-so, why do some icon themes installed on Arch call for a secure boot signing???

 

[Glaust]

Decided to splurge on a 5080 since the prices seem to be going down a bit.

Unfortunately had to switch away from Sway, I tried Hyprland, decided it was meh... Now I'm on Niri.

It seems quite nice! None of the bugs I was experiencing in either of em seem to be appearing, seems stable.

Any tips for someone running NVIDIA + Wayland in the year of our lord 2025?

No tips but how's the 5080? Thinking about splurging on it too, got a 3080 ti right now.

 

[Rekeita's Kidneys]

No tips but how's the 5080? Thinking about splurging on it too, got a 3080 ti right now.

Working fine so far, UE5 shit still remains to be... shit.

Hopefully will be fucking around with CAD stuff soon, trying to enter that realm since I'm a 3d printer chud.

 

[StolenWindows]

Just a reminder that only GNU w/ kernel hardening and Guix are any good. Qubes is good for security, but not for privacy (since everything runs in isolated VMs, such as work, banking, browsing and development with each getting its own domain, that makes it prone to metadata leaks). Arch tries to be Gentoo, but LGBT-friendly. Manjaro is just trash that tries to be Windows.