The Linux Thread - The Autist's OS of Choice

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Lucius Aelius said:
this is exactly what my searches were refusing to turn up. Thank you very much.
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reading through it it sounds like they may not have been sucessful, i'm not sure. It had a link to a github but I'm not sure if it was relevent
 
Betonhaus said:
reading through it it sounds like they may not have been sucessful, i'm not sure. It had a link to a github but I'm not sure if it was relevent
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It gave me the file format, which is enough, I found a template cursor theme, and am just reworking that. It's ugly, but I think it will work. This is the cursor set, by the way.
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Get Phobo said:
This is about gamers. Mint is not specificly recommended to gamers, Bazzite is.
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Get Phobo said:
Keep ignoring reality. Bazzite is being the one marketed towards gamers on YouTube and in magazines. Someone occasionally mentioning Mint is not the same.
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These are the most retarded fucking takes I've ever seen in any Linux discussion, let alone any forum thread remotely relating to Linux.
  1. Does it not stand to reason that there's more to a Linux distro beyond how "optimised" it is for gaming?
  2. Have you completely and utterly failed to realise that niggas don't wanna play vidya all the damn time?
  3. Did the possibility of "gamers" who wanna put the controller down and maybe enjoy some local media, or anything else along those lines just not occur to you at all?
  4. Are you so fucking narrow in your focus that you fail to understand that niggas might wanna run Spotify, maybe OBS while running a Steam game?
Spoiler alert, asshole: there's more to a fucking Linux distribution than how well it can run vidya gaemz.

"Optimised" Fedora derivatives like Bazzite and Nobara have value, insofar as having the latest and greatest software without committing to a full-on rolling release like Debian Sid, any Arch Linux derivative, or OpenSUSE Tumbleweed do. I presume that Bazzite and Nobara also take care of the post-install headache where you're running to RPM Fusion to enable free, non-free, and tainted repos, installing stuff like ffmpeg and various media codecs, and giving you access to Steam. Where Fedora, and by extension Bazzite and Nobara fall flat is that they're explicitly Red Hat distributions.

Sit your ass down and lemme learn ya some Linux history: before 2003, Red Hat was the consumer and enterprise Linux company. That changed when they sunsetted Red Hat Linux after RHL9, introducing Fedora Core (later Fedora) in its stead. Fedora is, no matter how many asterisks or qualifiers you wanna add to this, a fucking testbed for future builds of Red Hat Enterprise Linux. Fedora, despite being marketed toward the "Linux hobbyist," has priorities that skew toward enterprise features while completely neglecting home users in the first place. To be 100% clear: you can tailor Fedora to satisfy your home consumer needs, but, and I need you to fucking lock in here: home consumer use cases don't fucking matter to a project, let alone a company, whose priorities are explicitly geared toward enterprise functionality.

The Fedora Project nixed the 32-bit edition during the pre-COVID before times. Then they nixed all 32-bit application support with the explicit exception being Steam. X11 is rapidly getting phased out in their Workstation (GNOME) and KDE Plasma editions in favour of Wayland despite Wayland's many problems... especially for NVIDIA users. All of these issues can be resolved, worked around, or otherwise tolerated if you're willing to grit your teeth, roll up your sleeves, and get to work. Bazzite and Nobara set up a ton of stuff for you, but they're still ultimately beholden to upstream Fedora. If Fedora completely phases out all 32-bit application support (the shit that Steam relies on; intended for Fedora 44), if they categorically drop Xorg altogether with no exceptions, then Bazzite and Nobara are clearly inferior.

Linux Mint's the normie-friendly distro, and therefore, it's much more hospitable toward gaming. No 32-bit edition anymore, multiarch support still exists, it's an Ubuntu clone and has access to Steam, Spotify, Da Vinci Resolve, and so on and so forth. Home software developers that start with Linux always focus on an Ubuntu/Debian clone. You have all multimedia formats and codecs 100% available by default. You have NVIDIA drivers available with a one-click install, assuming they aren't installed by default. Guess what? They still have X11 first and foremost. All your games will work perfectly, you have access to the broadest amount of software possible, and your exposure to a predatory company is further minimised. Not zero, but that's another story.

Fedora desperately needs a "Linux Mint" of its own, but Bazzite and Nobara ain't fucking it homie. They don't have a guy like Clement Lefebvre as their project steward, a focus on convenience and ease of use instead of hyperfocusing on a singular cause, or any of that shit. Honestly? You're better off running mainline Fedora and setting up everything yourself.
 
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prollyanotherlurker said:

A more braindead than average I tried Linux video. It's like bog's videos but dumber.

Also the "why does every Linux program have a million buttons and settings" nigger that's KDE not just all Linux programs.
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Please stop posting niggerbrained slop designed to be watched by niggerbrained retards. From the thumbnail alone I can already tell I will never willingly click on this video even if I was being waterboarded to do it.
 
"I tried Linux as an editor"

"Here's how to get more RAM while your browser is open"

Similar brain wavelength.
 
Retarded Weeb said:
Niggercattle shouldn't use computers at all regardless of OS. And they mostly wouldn't if given the choice. Even Windows could only do much to get normalfags to sit down at a desktop like a fuckin nerd. Smartphones have done way more damage to the internet, software, and how people use technology than Windows has.
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They actually straight up don't, I've noticed. There are a shocking number of people who don't even own a computer and live their lives entirely on iPhones or other mobile devices.
Get Phobo said:
Keep ignoring reality. Bazzite is being the one marketed towards gamers on YouTube and in magazines. Someone occasionally mentioning Mint is not the same.
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I looked into it and it's just a Fedora fork with steam preinstalled and config settings tuned to be optimized for gaming, it seems. These are things that anyone could do with enough time so it seems the primary value of this distro is for people new to Linux who use Windows primarily for gaming.

It seems new so I guess time will tell but it is safe to say that there are a lot of people who use their OS for things other than gaming and an OS targeted at a subset of a subset of a population probably isn't going to eclipse a general purpose old-timer anytime soon. I don't understand your aggression on this.
 
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The Noise said:
They actually straight up don't, I've noticed. There are a shocking number of people who don't even own a computer and live their lives entirely on iPhones or other mobile devices.

I looked into it and it's just a Fedora fork with steam preinstalled and config settings tuned to be optimized for gaming, it seems. These are things that anyone could do with enough time so it seems the primary value of this distro is for people new to Linux who use Windows primarily for gaming.

It seems new so I guess time will tell but it is safe to say that there are a lot of people who use their OS for things other than gaming and an OS targeted at a subset of a subset of a population probably isn't going to eclipse a general purpose old-timer anytime soon. I don't understand your aggression on this.
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Bazzite and its ilk introduced the four-way Schrodinger's Best Practices for package management.
  1. Flatpaks for desktop software, for heavily local-reliant software either use a rootful container (distrobox) for low-level stuff, or:
  2. Layer locally, which isn't recommended except for the glaring fact that:
  3. So much crucial software on Linux needs to be locally installed in every way in order to work right, you layer packages up until:
  4. The next major update or a Fedora release, which RPM-Ostree can and will block upgrades unless you reset the package base
I've personally tinkered with stuff like blue-build which is supposed to "solve" the above, but how does the target audience for Bazzite benefit when they're only going to put up with the four-way clusterfuck of system management? Obviously they don't and will not likely put up with it, but it needs to be said, atomic distributions are a whole other scale of autism that appeals more to cloud servers and not vidya slop. Bootc is slowly replacing the layering model, actually supporting removals(!), and in of itself does not support local package layering(!), so thanks Fedora and Red Hat for leaving us with non-solutions in the meantime?
 
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Trans Fat 41g said:
Bazzite and its ilk introduced the four-way Schrodinger's Best Practices for package management.
  1. Flatpaks for desktop software, for heavily local-reliant software either use a rootful container (distrobox) for low-level stuff, or:
  2. Layer locally, which isn't recommended except for the glaring fact that:
  3. So much crucial software supporting or native to Linux needs to be local in every way in order to work right, you layer packages up until:
  4. The next major update or a Fedora release, which DNF5/RPM-Ostree can and will block upgrades unless you remove all layered packages
I've personally tinkered with stuff like blue-build which is supposed to "solve" the above, but how does the target audience for Bazzite benefit when they're only going to put up with the four-way clusterfuck of system management? Obviously they don't and will not likely put up with it, but it needs to be said, atomic distributions are a whole other scale of autism that appeals more to cloud servers and not vidya slop. Bootc is slowly replacing the layering model and in of itself does not support local package layering, so thanks Fedora and Red Hat for leaving us with non-solutions in the meantime?
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Bazzite basically expects it's users to do a clean install whenever a major upgrade comes out. I wouldn't call that user friendly
 
Betonhaus said:
Bazzite basically expects it's users to do a clean install whenever a major upgrade comes out. I wouldn't call that user friendly
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Atomic Fedora in general treats layered and overridden packages as out-of-tree and won't let you upgrade to a whole other release unless they are cleared, which if you read around, forces you to go ahead and set up a custom image on Github, build that, and then rebase your system to that custom image so all the shit you actually need isn't any longer out-of-tree. From my experience using that the issue is just handed to the cloud and you will get emailed for build failures over some arbitrary change that disagrees with how you need or want to use your system. You're the diet doctor half-assed distro maintainer with this model, by the way, so the aforementioned blue-build just changes what maintenance burdens you have to go through for the "perfect system". Even if a build passes, a change can break something requiring a rollback, no in-between testing to see just how bad a break can get on the hosts machine.
 
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Trans Fat 41g said:
I've personally tinkered with stuff like blue-build which is supposed to "solve" the above, but how does the target audience for Bazzite benefit when they're only going to put up with the four-way clusterfuck of system management? Obviously they don't and will not likely put up with it, but it needs to be said, atomic distributions are a whole other scale of autism that appeals more to cloud servers and not vidya slop. Bootc is slowly replacing the layering model and in of itself does not support local package layering, so thanks Fedora and Red Hat for leaving us with non-solutions in the meantime?
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These are all the reasons I have argued with people that these "atomic" or "immutable" distros aren't the answer for normies people act like they are. The people that were saying these are the future, and this is what people should use if they want a system that just works. These are great. unless you need to install anything on your system that isn't included out of the box. I see these as adding a lot of extra complication to something, that overall is fairly simple on a normal linux distrobution. Like installing packages. You are basically just downloading, and extracting archives, then the contents are moved to the place they need to go on a normal distro. Overall it's a pretty simple thing.

When you are running an immutable distro besides the fact you have to use 3 or 4 different package managers to achieve the same thing. You also have to deal with the annoyances that come with 2-3 of them being sandboxed by default. You have to deal with upgrading all of them. It's such a nightmare if you really think about it.

That's not even touching on myself not liking the androidification of desktop linux.
 
prollyanotherlurker said:
These are all the reasons I have argued with people that these "atomic" or "immutable" distros aren't the answer for normies people act like they are. The people that were saying these are the future, and this is what people should use if they want a system that just works. These are great. unless you need to install anything on your system that isn't included out of the box. I see these as adding a lot of extra complication to something, that overall is fairly simple on a normal linux distrobution. Like installing packages. You are basically just downloading, and extracting archives, then the contents are moved to the place they need to go on a normal distro. Overall it's a pretty simple thing.

When you are running an immutable distro besides the fact you have to use 3 or 4 different package managers to achieve the same thing. You also have to deal with the annoyances that come with 2-3 of them being sandboxed by default. You have to deal with upgrading all of them. It's such a nightmare if you really think about it.

That's not even touching on myself not liking the androidification of desktop linux.
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Guix/Nix is what immutable distros wish to be but their creators lack technical merit to even imagine what they should be.
 
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Dread First said:
Spoiler alert, asshole: there's more to a fucking Linux distribution than how well it can run vidya gaemz.
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Bro got terribly triggered. LOL

But my whole point is that Linux will not win over the desktop anytime soon strictly because it fails as a gaming OS for most people. Nothing else matters from that perspective. Argue as much as you want.

And if something is only good for running a web browser and some spreadsheet and video editing software, it may not be good enough for people to warrant the effort of switching.
 
Get Phobo said:
But my whole point is that Linux will not win over the desktop anytime soon strictly because it fails as a gaming OS for most people. Nothing else matters from that perspective. Argue as much as you want.
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You're a gibbering, drooling mongoloid with a sloping forehead and wide jaws suitable for grains and small rodents if you earnestly belive that Linux's inability to function as a single-purpose gaming OS is the reason why it won't win over the desktop ecosystem as a whole. If anything, there's a whole laundry list of other problems Linux struggles with to this day that go far beyond the scope of simply playing vidya gaemz.

Get Phobo said:
And if something is only good for running a web browser and some spreadsheet and video editing software, it may not be good enough for people to warrant the effort of switching.
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Are you fucking retarded? This is the normie use case, distilled to its barest essence. Sometimes a nigga just wants to peruse memes on Firefox, pull up some school or work shit in LibreOffice, and maybe fiddle with vidya, OBS, and so on. Whether or not one makes the switch in $current_year depends on whether or not the normie in question hates forced Copilot integration in W11, has hardware that doesn't utilise TPM while Windows 10 got deprecated, or some combination of the two.
 
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