The Linux Thread - The Autist's OS of Choice

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GNU Abyss said:
Even as a former Windows user, I never did this. If you're preparing to do so anyway, why not create a backup point and avoid a complete reinstall? Get the necessary drivers and pre-configured programs that you're going to install anyway and save the snapshot for later.
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Yea, I haven't done constant reinstalls since the .. WinXP era. Even then it was far less than the Win95/98 year.

Akerman said:
I myself prefer having a clean slate when I install a new OS or reinstall.
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My current Gentoo image started around 2010 and I've literally just kept copying it to newer machines and then reinstalled Grub.

I've had two Win 10 machines and I never did a reinstall on either of them. One I kept ~5 years before I sold it on eBay and the other I still have. Reinstalls when things get "sluggish" should really be a thing of the past. On Linux it's never really been a thing. I can do a ps and know exactly everything that's running and what they do. (Using Linux from Scratch when I was younger helped with this greatly).
 
HootersMcBoobies said:
Reinstalls when things get "sluggish" should really be a thing of the past.
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I don't really do it for years at a time tbf and because it's not really a loss it's an easy way to flush whatever is clogging it up, but if it happens again I will probably try to track down why it happens this time around.

HootersMcBoobies said:
My current Gentoo image started around 2010 and I've literally just kept copying it to newer machines and then reinstalled Grub. [...] On Linux it's never really been a thing. I can do a ps and know exactly everything that's running and what they do. (Using Linux from Scratch when I was younger helped with this greatly).
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Sounds similar to this great blog post of how someone is basing every new install off a Gentoo install from 2012. Also I have been wondering if it's worth going through a LFS install these days. I have never done it personally, but it seems like you might learn a lot.
 
Akerman said:
Also I have been wondering if it's worth going through a LFS install these days. I have never done it personally, but it seems like you might learn a lot.
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If you want to learn more about your system. And how a linux distro is set up. I think it's worth it.

Like bootstrapping the toolchain setting up an init yourself, setting up the kernel yourself. There is a lot to learn even for people that have used linux a while. I think having a slightly deeper understanding of the system is a net benefit. Even if technically you can get by without knowing anything outside of the bare minimum it makes your life a lot easier when you do have an understanding of what's going on with the system you are using.
 
Cooked Rabbit said:
What is the appeal exactly?
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Elitism?

Spilled Spaghett said:
I think that's a pretty dumb take to say you should only be allowed to play with lego bricks until you can prove you can build a house.
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Frankly, with Lego you are kinda forced to read the provided manual to finish the project. Unlike installing some exotic distro that, well, comes with manual and Wiki but is rarely read by the users who tend to run into problems and reach for help on boards.

Arch comes with a very thorough and detailed manual that answers to most of the questions an experienced user with Linux may come across. Your issue with Display Manager kinda proves that you didn't get acquianted with manual because you would know which Display Manager (SDDM, LightDM, GDM) is on your system and how to properly configure it. Unlike Linux Mint which focuses mainly on installation and basic use of the system.

Spilled Spaghett said:
Otherwise they will continue to use Windows and never try anything new. I understand that the distro I'm using is more advanced than what I really need, but I can say working with Arch based systems has forced me to get more comfortable with using the terminal than Mint ever would.
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People use OS to get their job done. If someone is used to Office apps on Windows environment there is no need to forcing them to use sleek, nice and free Slackware just for the cause of trying something new. And I find statement regarding working on terminal in Arch as more comfortable than Mint as far from truth or not true at all.
 
Akerman said:
Sounds similar to this great blog post of how someone is basing every new install off a Gentoo install from 2012. Also I have been wondering if it's worth going through a LFS install these days. I have never done it personally, but it seems like you might learn a lot.
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I've seen that guide before. It has a lot of detail. I've never done the RAID 0 thing it describes, I mostly just used dd, either on the individual partitions or sometimes the LVMs. That rsync command also look like it covers more than the one I have in my notes. I also cleared out my logs over the years, so I have no idea how old this image really is. My emerge log starts in 2016, but some of my oldest files have a modified date of 2011.

prollyanotherlurker said:
If you want to learn more about your system. And how a linux distro is set up. I think it's worth it.

Like bootstrapping the toolchain setting up an init yourself, setting up the kernel yourself. There is a lot to learn even for people that have used linux a while. I think having a slightly deeper understanding of the system is a net benefit.
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LFS will make you appreciate package management. If you ever want to get into embedded system, building and using an LFS is a great way to see how all the pieces fit together. You can really strip down a lot of stuff once you understand the bootstrapping process and what all the baseline services do. You can also pass your own init= kernel parameter and write your own small program for quickly starting up things like kiosks or store displays super fast.
 
Should I be worried at all at the Rust push through Debian distros and rabid trannies bricking my system for being a chud? None of you seem pre-occupied with it.
 
Legalize Asbestos said:
Should I be worried at all at the Rust push through Debian distros and rabid trannies bricking my system for being a chud? None of you seem pre-occupied with it.
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It's being discussed on the Open Source thread.
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it's that time of the day again, a core system component is being rewritten to rust because [reasons]
Reactions:Lunacy x 7 Informative x 2 Like x 1 Horrifying x 5
 
TerribleUser09 said:
And I find statement regarding working on terminal in Arch as more comfortable than Mint as far from truth or not true at all.
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I didn't say it was more comfortable but that it got me more comfortable because it doesn't always provide you the luxury of a gui package manager. Not at first anyways. Yes I'm aware there is a package for everything that gives you an easy to use gui but I wanted to at least try and make my self use terminal.
Cooked Rabbit said:
I get just messing around and wanting to try new things, if that's it.
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Yeah that's pretty much it. Windows is annoying. I'm tired of it forcing things on me. I hate any time Windows tells me something is not allowed. I want the right to break my own system if I want to. This is something new and interesting to explore. Do I need Cachy or any Arch based distro? Absolutely not. Sure it makes some things harder, and I understand it'll break from time to time for no reason. I'm ok with this, as frustrating as it may be. When I eventually get bored of it and want something stable I'll either go back to Windows or Mint. I just don't want to.
 
Legalize Asbestos said:
Should I be worried at all at the Rust push through Debian distros and rabid trannies bricking my system for being a chud? None of you seem pre-occupied with it.
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Not too worried. There are some worrying things about the push for rust that have been discussed here. But I don't think you need to worry about that specifically.

If they somehow did do that. It would definitely have some fairly big consequences for them. Normal people, like ones using debian for a server distro definitely wouldn't like that the OS they are using has that kind of backdoor, and would likely drop them immediately for another option. That's not even mentioning potential legal issues, and the pushback they would get from the public. Because them saying they don't like right leaning people is one thing. Shipping what amounts to malware to target right leaning people is another. Obviously some deranged person could. But the moment that happens it will have a big effect, and it will probably permanently effect the level of trust people have in rust, the systems that used the tool, and the people that promoted it. To the point where I think it would be worse for them than the people they go after.
 
Not Linux, but FreeBSD just released a video on their official channel about their renewed desktop focus, showing off their new installer:

FreeBSD has been porting a lot of Wi-Fi stuff from Linux IIRC as well.
 
I am viewing Linux Mint documentation and most notably Community Section which provides some tips&tricks for daily use. However, the most relevent/bumped topics that are visible on first page dates back at least 8 years. Most of these suggestions are irrelevant at the current condition of Linux Mint.
I would suggest to use Ubuntu because at least they have more vibrant community and more relevant manual.
 
Legalize Asbestos said:
Should I be worried at all at the Rust push through Debian distros and rabid trannies bricking my system for being a chud? None of you seem pre-occupied with it.
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Worrying about the effect of rust on a pozzed and systemd infected distro like Debian is a lot like worrying whether making eye contact with the guy whose dick you're sucking makes you gay.
 
TerribleUser09 said:
I am viewing Linux Mint documentation and most notably Community Section which provides some tips&tricks for daily use. However, the most relevent/bumped topics that are visible on first page dates back at least 8 years. Most of these suggestions are irrelevant at the current condition of Linux Mint.
I would suggest to use Ubuntu because at least they have more vibrant community and more relevant manual.
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Putting Snaps aside, Ubuntu and its flavors as of late had been dealing with a record number of breakages and other technical difficulties, one of which is caused by Canonicals retarded decision to replace long-standing and proven core utilities with newfangled ones not fit for production. Flatpaks were broken in the latest release, something Ubuntu users rely on, a critical issue upstream just shrugged about. Sure Linux Mint is based on Ubuntu LTS, but they either avoid or ignore whatever additions Canonical imposes.

Using Mint and the Arch Wiki is far better than dealing with "downgrade install and pray Canonical doesn't fuck my shit up further while I wait".
 
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TerribleUser09 said:
I am viewing Linux Mint documentation and most notably Community Section which provides some tips&tricks for daily use. However, the most relevent/bumped topics that are visible on first page dates back at least 8 years. Most of these suggestions are irrelevant at the current condition of Linux Mint.
I would suggest to use Ubuntu because at least they have more vibrant community and more relevant manual.
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This year Microsoft began purging their old Microsoft Support Community posts, including the gems.
A point of frustration people often contend with early on is that questions are seldom unique to a distro and best asked with regard to the context of the issue. Ubuntu is ugly and gay so I never recommend it as a desktop OS for new people who probably won't be tinkering much anyway.
 
Akerman said:
Not Linux, but FreeBSD just released a video on their official channel about their renewed desktop focus, showing off their new installer:
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Get ready for the thread to tell you how little they care about a fast installer, and that's probably doubled by the fact that it's not Linux. I still think it's great. The more pressure there is by distroes-that-care (which I'd consider BSDs to be) to have installers that aren't garbage, maybe we'll see the old hoary ones follow suit. BSD's got a few minutes to go to get down to an install as fast as a Calamares install like Artix, but an improvement is an improvement.
 
analrapist said:
Get ready for the thread to tell you how little they care about a fast installer, and that's probably doubled by the fact that it's not Linux. I still think it's great. The more pressure there is by distroes-that-care (which I'd consider BSDs to be) to have installers that aren't garbage, maybe we'll see the old hoary ones follow suit. BSD's got a few minutes to go to get down to an install as fast as a Calamares install like Artix, but an improvement is an improvement.
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It looks like the same installer freebsd always had, but with added options for a desktop. From the video I just watched.
 
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