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ProudSkibidiTolietAryan said:
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GNOME IS NOW MAKING DONATION POPUPS. I GOT THIS WHILE PLAYING COUNTER STRIKE SOURCE(I just got it this December pretty good game)
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OK I learned that
THIS IS NOT because of a new update

And this appernetly only happens 2 times every YEAR, and it does not go to the notification board either and you can also disable it. SO its not the WORST thing in the world...
 
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WielkiWapiesz2137 said:
I wonder if Gnome foundation spending habits are similar to mozilla or wikipedia
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Back when Lunduke had his brief stint as an actual independant journalist and was doing those pieces auditing the financials of big open source foundations, he looked into the GNOME foundation as a comparison to Wikipedia or Mozilla and found… Nothing. Their finances were as clean as a whistle, not getting nearly as much money as those two, and spending it in much more transparent, reasonable fashion.

Found the story.
 
analrapist said:
They started making UX changes without justification in like 2016. That was when I quit using GNOME and switched to DWM. GNOME 3 used to be decent. I prefered it to G2/Mate for a few years at the start.
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Truth be told, I didn't hate GNOME Shell on launch. Let's be blunt here: GNOME 3 and KDE 4 were basically the worst of both worlds for all of 2011. KDE Software Compilation 4 shot for the moon and burst into flames without ever leaving orbit like the Challenger, Cinnamon didn't exist yet (only the original Mint Gnome Shell Extensions), MATE was still just some no-name project on the AUR that Linux Mint hadn't yet fully adopted, and this was long before 12.04 dropped and gave us a polished Unity interface. You were basically stuck with novel computing paradigms no matter what you tried to use at the time. Yes, Xfce counted as "novel" because it was a non-GNOME 2.x GTK interface that was both independent of GNOME and also hideously dependent because normal Xfce apps were fucking awful.

GNOME Shell was clunky, new updates broke everything you had that got it usable, but it felt... fresh? Kinda tolerable compared to the utter mess that Unity was on Ubuntu 11.04 and 11.10, it wasn't hideous like Xubuntu or Lubuntu, it kinda grew on ya after you used GNOME Tweak Tool and set up some extensions like Dash2Panel, hell even the GNOME Fallback session was genuinely pleasing to use. Of course, none of this matters because Unity on Ubuntu 12.04 was finally damn good stuff to use, Cinnamon and MATE finally became widespread, and rather than adopting the best of all worlds, the GNOME team decided to keep shooting themselves in the foot and making it the broader ecosystem's problem.

That golden period where GNOME 3 actually ran on FreeBSD without issue? Gone the moment that hard systemd dependency became a thing.

Trying to uphold the standards set by Freedesktop despite all the problems the standards body's had? Fuck off, make way for GNOME Human Interface Design.

Giving users the option for GNOME Fallback or Xorg sessions? Piss off, use case was always provisional. Wayland GNOME Shell or bust.

Allowing other GTK-based applications to be cross-platform? Nope. GNOME applications are GNOME applications first and foremost.

Seriously, we had a renaissance period where Plasma 5 was genuinely the best fucking thing to use, leaps and bounds ahead of GNOME Shell, prettier than default Cinnamon, all that stuff... and then Plasma 6 and its consequences happen where Wayland-first sessions broke everything, Xorg session is noticeably worse in quality, bug reports keep stacking up with no action dates, there's now actual corporate investment from Red Hat by making Fedora KDE equivalent to Fedora Workstation, but all we get are regressions after regressions without any fucking hope of resolution despite aggressive feature updates.

Moral of the story? We must protect Cinnamon, MATE, Xfce, and LXQt (almost forgot about that one) from the enshittification menace at all costs.
 
ProudSkibidiTolietAryan said:
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GNOME is also pretending to fund LibXML2.

analrapist said:
They started making UX changes without justification in like 2016. That was when I quit using GNOME and switched to DWM. GNOME 3 used to be decent. I prefered it to G2/Mate for a few years at the start.
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I hate how they keep streamlining their apps by removing every ability for the user to customize the programs. Even the Gnome Terminal got its settings menu removed a couple of versions ago. At least there are alternatives on their app store like Black Box.
 
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seri0us said:
They arent actually open source, only the kernel header
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I know they aren't fully open source. I'm saying that at this point the officially recommended drivers are the nvidia-open drivers. Which was definitely not the case in the past.

And I would have to look over the kernel configs again, but ai believe for newer cards they do have more direct support for them in the kernel, at least in some areas. Where the fully proprietary ones are basically completely out of tree.

I assumed everyone in the thread has already heard the details of what the status is on them. As in the headers were the thing that was fully open sourced. It's a lot like intels stuff. You still need proprietary binary blobs for them, but the kernel also has support for their hardware with what it can handle.
 
Dread First said:
GNOME Shell was clunky, new updates broke everything you had that got it usable, but it felt... fresh?
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Oh, I agree. It was a breath of fresh air. I really, really wanted to like GNOME 3. All they had to do was not make needless changes. Then one day, for no reason at all, GNOME shell went from keeping my wallpaper maximized in the background to shrinking it down when I accessed the menu. No option. No graceful change... so I wasn't having any of that. That's why I left for Linux, shortly after buying Windows 8 retail: I'm beyond sick and tired of retards changing my UI. The last good design decisions Microsoft made were made for Vista. But it's funny too because dwm+dmenu gives me more functionality faster. So GNOME being retards forced me to a better solution. Gotta stay positive, except for HIV.
 
Dread First said:
Seriously, we had a renaissance period where Plasma 5 was genuinely the best fucking thing to use
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These problems stem from the Windows constant update disease being applied to something that's not Windows.

I want a Linux system that I don't have to update for decades. So do you! I have a solid workflow, and I don't want some retard's "refactor" to break something that might have "just worked" before.
I don't give a shit about security updates either. I'll only stomach your update if it provides a genuine advantage or improvement to my existing workflow. I hate GTK and QT.

When it comes to X, FVWM has been able to sidestep this "DE" problem for thirty years.

You can make your computer look like a third world country pulverizer right now and not have to touch the config ever again because the packages aren't in a state of constant updates for the sake of constant updates.

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Ellis said:
These problems stem from the Windows constant update disease being applied to something that's not Windows.

I want a Linux system that I don't have to update for decades. So do you! I have a solid workflow, and I don't want some retards "refactor" to break something that might have "just worked".
I don't give a shit about security updates either. I'll only stomach your update if it provides a genuine advantage or improvement to my existing workflow. I hate GTK and QT. I'

When it comes to X, FVWM has been able to sidestep this "DE" problem for thirty years.

You can make your computer look like third world country pulverizer right now and not have to touch the config ever again because the packages aren't in a state of constant updates for the sake of constant updates.

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FVWM seems like a rabbit hole, but I won't argue, it has more utilitarian flexibility than anyone could possibly ask for.
 
Ellis said:
...improvement to my existing workflow. I hate GTK and QT.
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A couple of months ago I was reading the arch wiki page on GTK out of hatred for GTK. Out of the blue I found something that made my week: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/GTK#Emacs_key_bindings.
Chromium and Firefox are both GTK apps. By adding a couple lines of configuration I got all the readline keybinds I've grown to love from my terminal. I no longer accidentally close tabs by trying to delete the last word I typed. I no longer have to hit the niggerlicious arrow keys, ever. What's great is it works for the whole browser. URL bar, naming a bookmark, etc. -- places where fire.nvim won't work.
IDK why people aren't shouting about this from the rooftops. GTK is still ugly, but now I don't completely detest it like I used to.
 
August Levasseur said:
Back when Lunduke had his brief stint as an actual independant journalist and was doing those pieces auditing the financials of big open source foundations, he looked into the GNOME foundation as a comparison to Wikipedia or Mozilla and found… Nothing. Their finances were as clean as a whistle, not getting nearly as much money as those two, and spending it in much more transparent, reasonable fashion.

Found the story.
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Yeah, I somewhat disagree.

Every time I have tried to write myself some half-baked piece of software for a business purpose with GTK or QT I have rapidly become very angry.

How about instead of rewriting GTK five million times over, the GNOME retards just extend GridView- you know, the thing that should be the centerpiece of 99% of applications where more than one item of data needs to be displayed on screen- to make it as usable as a basic WinForms DataGridView was twenty years ago, let alone Telerik's extended controls? I doubt they'd even accept contributions that made their fucking shit controls usable.
 
Phoronix: Six Years Since The Reiser5 File-System Was Announced (archive)

There's only one reason to talk about the Reiser5 announcement on the sixth anniversary.

Dread First said:
Ubuntu Server continues to prove itself a reliable, trusty workhorse. I've got 8 days of uptime on this unit, and even with Jellyfin, Sonarr, Radarr, qBitTorrent, Gluetun, FreshRSS, Wallabag, WireGuard, and now Navidrome set up, my old gaming PC's only using like 2GB RAM tops... and I still haven't upgraded from 16GB that I set up back in 2019. Yeah, an N100 or a Ryzen APU mini PC with my USB hard drives for storage would probably be way better in terms of power efficiency and cost/performance. I don't care about any of that since I'm so fucking giddy at how my old gaming PC that I assembled and upgraded since 2017 is handling all this home server crap with aplomb.
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I'm probably going to set something up on an RPi 4 soon. I just need to make some web pages available across the local network.
 
August Levasseur said:
For the Guixers here, what hardware do y’all run? Seems to me the biggest limitation to using Guix would be the be the need to run a libre kernel, so some hardware will just never work right for you.
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I run it on an Intel NUC 13. Everything except the wireless is supported by the libre kernel, and that's fine for my use case (minimalist environment centered around Emacs and a browser to fuck around with Scheme/Elisp/Clojure with no distractions)
 
ProudSkibidiTolietAryan said:
OK I learned that
THIS IS NOT because of a new update

And this appernetly only happens 2 times every YEAR, and it does not go to the notification board either. SO its not the WORST t
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No it didn't. It appears to only appear TWICE every year according to the interent, does not fill in your notification tray and also can be disabled.. So its really not that as bad as I made it out to be
 
ProudSkibidiTolietAryan said:
No it didn't. It appears to only appear TWICE every year according to the interent, does not fill in your notification tray and also can be disabled.. So its really not that as bad as I made it out to be
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That’s better than Windows 11, which has lately been stealing focus out of my games to display a “Sign in to Copilot” browser tab. Fucking infuriating.
 
ProudSkibidiTolietAryan said:
I GOT THIS WHILE PLAYING COUNTER STRIKE SOURCE(I just got it this December pretty good game)
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I can already hear Laser Dance from Ocean's Twelve.

Dread First said:
NOME Shell and its consequences was a disaster for Unix-like operating systems.
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I've been looking at Cosmic as an alternative because I like Gnome's design (philosophy) but not the actual program itself. It can often hang and lag like shit while nothing's going on.
ProudSkibidiTolietAryan said:
Although I can KINDA fuck with this new design
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Refer to the above, try out Cosmic. Also, Black Ops 3, just in the background, very generic gamer-esque.



I'll stick with Ubuntu 25.04 (It still has GNUutils, Stallman's name is proudly displayed) as long as I can, for my creative workloads at least, which won't immediately bork my setup after I install some Gnome update. I still have Arch installed, which works fine for my usecases. Maybe I'll try Cosmic on there, because if there's one thing Linux developers aren't it's graphical designers, they're very utility driven, I care for ease-of-use and looks as well. -- Gnome/Ubuntu has this fucking disastrous bug whereby if my PC sleeps, the taskbar disappears and if I go to Super-mode I can't exit it and I have to hard reset (or sigquit gnome-shell), which has pissed me off one too many times now.
 
Hakase Shinonome said:
I can already hear Laser Dance from Ocean's Twelve.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=SNvDUO42Hys:40

I've been looking at Cosmic as an alternative because I like Gnome's design (philosophy) but not the actual program itself. It can often hang and lag like shit while nothing's going on.

Refer to the above, try out Cosmic. Also, Black Ops 3, just in the background, very generic gamer-esque.



I'll stick with Ubuntu 25.04 (It still has GNUutils, Stallman's name is proudly displayed) as long as I can, for my creative workloads at least, which won't immediately bork my setup after I install some Gnome update. I still have Arch installed, which works fine for my usecases. Maybe I'll try Cosmic on there, because if there's one thing Linux developers aren't it's graphical designers, they're very utility driven, I care for ease-of-use and looks as well. -- Gnome/Ubuntu has this fucking disastrous bug whereby if my PC sleeps, the taskbar disappears and if I go to Super-mode I can't exit it and I have to hard reset (or sigquit gnome-shell), which has pissed me off one too many times now.
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Oh come on the ZOMBIES mods are why I play. Like those workshop maps are extremely fun and zombies is a extremely underrated mode, It has ALOT of strategy
 
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