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prollyanotherlurker said:
Didn't xfce have experimental wayland support before the start of this new one? I'm like 99% sure xfce's effort to support wayland isn't something new. But if I just learned about it from his video it would seem like they just decided out of the blue they need wayland support.

I know for sure lxqt has it. And I actually really like the approach they took. Which lets you bring your own window manager. So I could use hyprland, and run lxqt on top of it. Or people could use labwc if they like to use floating window management.
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Xfce is much the same as you describe lxqt, very modular and lets you swap in your own WM if you wish.
Xfce has been working on a wayland 🏳️‍⚧️ition for a few years now. tldr is most if not all of it is done for all the other components except xfwm, their default WM.
Wayland fans, if they wanted to fuck around, were dropping something like wayfire, hikari or labwc in.

Personally, I don't really see xfce's value proposition if they do this. Why would I use it over something like the hyprland ecosystem? Why yet another gay wayland compositor?
 
prollyanotherlurker said:
Didn't xfce have experimental wayland support before the start of this new one? I'm like 99% sure xfce's effort to support wayland isn't something new. But if I just learned about it from his video it would seem like they just decided out of the blue they need wayland support.
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I think their level of support is that all of the components run on Wayland, but you bring your own compositor.

prollyanotherlurker said:
I know for sure lxqt has it. And I actually really like the approach they took. Which lets you bring your own window manager. So I could use hyprland, and run lxqt on top of it. Or people could use labwc if they like to use floating window management.
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Yep, and Budgie recently did the same. Obviously the big players in KDE and GNOME wouldn't do that, but that's an good approach for a smaller DE that doesn't have the resources to write their own compositor. Especially for something as modular as XFCE. Which is why it's strange that they actually commited to not only writing one, but doing so from scratch.

ETA: another strange decision is going for that library they chose instead of wlroots. Yeah, DeVaultware, but it's kind of one of the few widely accepted standards in Wayland land, so now they either reimplement stuff, or contribute to fracturing.
 
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GoysGoneWild said:
Personally, I don't really see xfce's value proposition if they do this. Why would I use it over something like the hyprland ecosystem? Why yet another gay wayland compositor?
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It could make sense doing it with the goal of integrating it tightly into their other components. And possibly adding features they want to see out of it.
Max Weber said:
ETA: another strange decision is going for that library they chose instead of wlroots. Yeah, DeVaultware, but it's kind of one of the few widely accepted standards in Wayland land, so now they either reimplement stuff, or contribute to fracturing.
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From what I've heard people tend to think the smithy backend is better than wlroots. I haven't looked into it personally so I can't comment on what it does better, or differently. I just know I've seen that people tend to say it's the better option.

As far as my thoughts on implementing their own compisitor. I don't see it as a bad thing necessarily. I do hope they still keep things modular on some level, like they do with their xorg backend. On that they still have their own window manager, but you can disable it and use your own if you want. Like a lot of people do with i3, and xfce.

If they still keep that around I don't see the drawback. Especially if they have the capacity to do it.
 
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Glaust said:
Just use Fedora, it's comfy and works well.
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WielkiWapiesz2137 said:
RedJew ware absolutely GNU/Haram
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Avoid Fedora Workstation and Fedora KDE like the plague, stick with a Fedora Spin that uses X11 by default like Cinnamon, MATE+Compiz, Xfce, or LXQt. I kinda regret "locking" myself into Fedora when I built this new PC on Cyber Monday but that's the sad reality of my 9070 XT not being supported on Linux Mint 22 and having no patience to wait until April for the next Ubuntu LTS release to come out, and thus the new Mint version. It really is kinda nice to have a near-rolling release cadence without the constant churn of Arch. I mean... Arch is basically RedJew/Poetterware slop in all but package management utilities. RPM Fusion doesn't quite have the same sprawling scope as the AUR, but at least RPM Fusion doesn't have more orphaned or outdated PKGBUILDs and also DDOSed every other week.

That's my post-hoc rationalisation and I'm still kinda iffy on whether or not I'll stay on Fedora long-term.
 
Betonhaus said:
It could be interesting to see what it pulls off... I'm sure the Wayland cult would love a bare minimum wayland implementation thats a step up from TWMs.
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I decided to, despite only taking half a second to realize you meant tiled window managers rather than the classic 'Tom's Window Manager' that I installed off a floppy onto a 486 back in the day, to be really pigheaded about just how shit Wayland is compared to Actually Working Technology. Prof Dr. Tom Lestrange wrote most of his WM in 1987, the X Consortium made it the standard WM in 1989 replacing UWM (which was possibly excessively lightweight and didn't have fancy things like titlebars- you were expected to have enough modifier keys on your terminal with cool graphics or words like 'HYPER' to assign some to move and resize windows etc).

You can install Tom's right now on any modern Linux. It only requires the addition of a single line, something like
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RightTitleButton "circle" = f.shade
to the default config packaged by Debian/Devuan to give you a button to shade windows down to a minimal titlebar. Something that KDE Plasma can't do in 2026 on Wayland.
 
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I decided to, despite only taking half a second to realize you meant tiled window managers rather than the classic 'Tom's Window Manager'
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I do find it annoying that people use twm for tiling window managers. Because I always think they mean twm. The one you are talking about, then I realize what they actually meant.

I think it's still almost always installed on any linux distro, when you install xorg, to launch as the default xorg environment when people forget to set up an .xinitrc file. I'm not sure how many people actually run twm now days though. It would be interesting to try and make it work in a way that's close to what people would expect from a window manager, or desktop now days.
 
prollyanotherlurker said:
I think it's still almost always installed on any linux distro, when you install xorg, to launch as the default xorg environment when people forget to set up an .xinitrc file. I'm not sure how many people actually run twm now days though. It would be interesting to try and make it work in a way that's close to what people would expect from a window manager, or desktop now days.
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I don't think it's been installed by default with Debian based distributions for a while, but that wouldn't surprise me if it is installed with say Arch and maybe even directly referenced in standard xsession scripts as it was indeed the default WM at least in earlier days.

I probably wouldn't choose TWM as a base to start from nowadays. It does lack virtual desktops, although as I am not a 14 year old boy covertly masturbating I do tend not to use those outside of Tiling Window Managers (ironically), on a laptop, without another screen - but Claude Lecommandeur's CTWM fork added those in 1992, so if you want to make use of those then that would be a good option.

Other than that the most 'shocking' thing is just the paucity of titlebar buttons by default, which is easily enough customized, and the way it doesn't write even a black root window (trivial to just add that to your X startup script) which looks pretty funny when you've just logged in with a modern day session manager which writes a bunch of fancy garbage gradients or landscape photography all over the screen.
 
Max Weber said:
ETA: another strange decision is going for that library they chose instead of wlroots. Yeah, DeVaultware, but it's kind of one of the few widely accepted standards in Wayland land, so now they either reimplement stuff, or contribute to fracturing.
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Which it should ostensibly not be because it implements a very similar issue to the screen and or app sniffing one that waytrannies keep kvetching about whenever X11/Libre is brought up. Wlroots might as well just be an xwayland implementation at this point, if any of these people had any good sense they'd build off hypr* with aquamarine and intuitive permissions system. But of course, Vaxry is le ebil nazi chud, so we can't have that. Better use SHITtay (in memory safe rust!!!) or THE wlroots by our good friend Drew "Nigger" DeVault, also known as Drew/Lolipedophine DeVault, or as I like to call him, Drew + Nonce.
 
Betonhaus said:
Or he could be trying to do his own research but does a shit poor job of it and requires his users to bring interesting things to his attention.
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Thing is Lunduke can save a lot of breath by cutting back on his corny ass exposition.
 
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Admittedly these are the kind of screenshots that drew me into Linux, back in the day.

But these days, if you wanna main Slackware using WindowMaker of Fluxbox like it's 2001, by all means go for it. It's a subset of nerds "hot rodding" their computer, so to speak. It'll never be mainstream.
 
Ahriman said:
But these days, if you wanna main Slackware using WindowMaker of Fluxbox like it's 2001, by all means go for it. It's a subset of nerds "hot rodding" their computer, so to speak. It'll never be mainstream.
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Yeah. It's not like there is anything stopping people from recreating that today. If people wanted to it should be pretty easy to pull of.
 
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Admittedly these are the kind of screenshots that drew me into Linux, back in the day.

But these days, if you wanna main Slackware using WindowMaker of Fluxbox like it's 2001, by all means go for it. It's a subset of nerds "hot rodding" their computer, so to speak. It'll never be mainstream.
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Same. Kids will be kids.
I can remember spending hours customising Blackbox, finding cool wallpapers, installing decorative applets, skins for gkrellm, etc.
As I've gotten older, I just stopped giving a shit and run default Xfce with some custom keyboard shortcuts.

Edit: the bottom screenshot hits hard. I spent many hours playing Unreal Tournament on Linux. It was the first time I actually saw a game company develop a native port for Linux - and it ran really well. I naively thought it would become common place in the game industry to support Linux at the time.
 
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Ahriman said:
But these days, if you wanna main Slackware using WindowMaker of Fluxbox like it's 2001, by all means go for it. It's a subset of nerds "hot rodding" their computer, so to speak. It'll never be mainstream.
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Ricers spend 20 hours a day posing their desktops like a white girl taking a picture of a sandwich for instagram
 
August Levasseur said:
I mean, is ricing your tiling wm really all that different? If you lump this in with that, then it’s probably about as common now as it ever was.
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I don't think slapping a wallpaper on and changing the color of your little status bar and window titlebars is comparable to overhauling the style of your window decorations, adding widgets to your desktop, using a matching icon theme, and styling your status bars and docks. Every high-level theme of GNUstep back in the day felt out of this world. Tiling WMs don't hold a candle.
 
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