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Titanium_Piston said:
I have a feeling that the age verification will be put at the Kernel level, Linus Torvals will be the one to code it in with a gun pointed at his temple by politicians, regardless if left or right wing.
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I feel like this has to be totally unenforceable on the OS level, though I could be wrong. I think a greater danger could be if they try to bully BIOS manufacturers on doing something like this, they would immediately fold to any Draconian shit and we'd have no recourse, and while coreboot/libreboot is technically an option it really isnt for most hardware.
 
Titanium_Piston said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNdOuhO5bEg

Is TempleOS the only safe OS now?

I have a feeling that the age verification will be put at the Kernel level, Linus Torvals will be the one to code it in with a gun pointed at his temple by politicians, regardless if left or right wing.

Or we could kill all the kids so the "Think of the children" argument can never be used again.
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If it gets passed.

People really should be chimping out about this as much as possible right now while there is time.

Contacting the lawmakers that proposed it. The ones that will vote. Posting shit on every platform saying to do the same.

There have been some really bad laws that have been proposed or went into effect sincr 2024-2025ish but this is by far the worst. At least in america.

Also i already had this in my clipboard to post in the open source thread. Ill embed it hete since i wrote this.

 
I thought I would post it here since I am not in the USA and I can't really do anything about it.
But, PC gaming and PC building is a hobby I enjoy a lot, and dammit, everything I enjoy is being destroyed or taken away. It sucks.

Linux has been building momentum lately and this seems like such a fucking wrench to hamper it. I feel like it is karma for laughing so hard at microsoft these past 5-6 years.

Could any linux OS be installed offline if one needs to verify age to install or operate it? We might need to pirate a copy of a chinese linux OS.
 
Titanium_Piston said:
I thought I would post it here since I am not in the USA and I can't really do anything about it.
But, PC gaming and PC building is a hobby I enjoy a lot, and dammit, everything I enjoy is being destroyed or taken away. It sucks.

Linux has been building momentum lately and this seems like such a fucking wrench to hamper it. I feel like it is karma for laughing so hard at microsoft these past 5-6 years.

Could any linux OS be installed offline if one needs to verify age to install or operate it? We might need to pirate a copy of a chinese linux OS.
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It wont be hard to get around it if this does happen. Also at least at first this will be just in colorado. But if it passes, it will spread. And it will likely spread outside of the us as well if it does.

At that point things might become more difficult.

It's why its VERY important people make it as clear as possible no one wants this. Like ideally clear enough that any politician would think voting for this is career suicide.

But that's a bit optimistic about how much niggercattle will actually do anything to advocate for themselves
 
Titanium_Piston said:
I thought I would post it here since I am not in the USA and I can't really do anything about it.
But, PC gaming and PC building is a hobby I enjoy a lot, and dammit, everything I enjoy is being destroyed or taken away. It sucks.

Linux has been building momentum lately and this seems like such a fucking wrench to hamper it. I feel like it is karma for laughing so hard at microsoft these past 5-6 years.

Could any linux OS be installed offline if one needs to verify age to install or operate it? We might need to pirate a copy of a chinese linux OS.
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The sheer difficulty needed to enforce this makes it seem like it won't be much of a problem.
If it's a software solution, Linux is open source so someone will eventually make a fork or patch that removes the verification.
If it's a hardware solution, then no only would all old hardware be unaffected but it would have to be a very complex form of protection. Either the OS could be patched to ignore the hardware authentication, or the hardware authentication would be so interlaced with the software (if only for providing an interface where users can present their ID and the hardware connects to the Internet to verify) that it would take a long time to develop, and with Jeet vibe coding being in fashion such a setup would take a very long time to even work properly.

Assuming that this even gets passed, but the sheer difficulty required to pull this off would mean that either it gets ignored or bypassed or it literally breaks everyone's computers, even those willing to comply.
 
Akerman said:
I feel like this has to be totally unenforceable on the OS level, though I could be wrong. I think a greater danger could be if they try to bully BIOS manufacturers on doing something like this, they would immediately fold to any Draconian shit and we'd have no recourse, and while coreboot/libreboot is technically an option it really isnt for most hardware.
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I'm seriously beginning to believe that some of us are going to end up like the LoTeks in Johnny Mnemonic.
 
prollyanotherlurker said:
If it gets passed.

People really should be chimping out about this as much as possible right now while there is time.

Contacting the lawmakers that proposed it. The ones that will vote. Posting shit on every platform saying to do the same.

There have been some really bad laws that have been proposed or went into effect sincr 2024-2025ish but this is by far the worst. At least in america.

Also i already had this in my clipboard to post in the open source thread. Ill embed it hete since i wrote this.

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God you people are niggers. If any of you had actually looked up the bill, you’d know it was introduced by two shitlibs at the state level in a shitlib nigger state that noone cares about. The actual text of the bill doesn’t require ID verification or any other fantasies, it only requires that OSes request the age or DOB of the user when they create an account, that’s it. It requires this at the OS level so that when applications request age data (which it requires them to do), the OS can provide them with age bracket data, i.e. “user over/under 18”. The bill requires that applications trust this information absent “clear and convincing information” that it’s false.
The framework for age verification that it proposes is honestly not that bad, if Apple announced something like this tomorrow for their app store, I would consider it a win for privacy. It’s better than giving your ID to 50 different platforms. The fact that it’s being proposed as a law is concerning, but it’s also not a grand conspiracy by the jews to take away your rights. What would Linux distros do if this became law (which is a long way off considering it was only discussed in committee today)? Probably just ignore it. It’s not like many children are installing Gentoo on their parents’ computers, right? But even if they did decide to think of the keeds, all they would have to do is add a third field to account creation and have a fifo or something that just repeats age bracket data endlessly to any process that requests it.

This is not good, but acting like it’s the end of software freedom as we know it because some jew on the internet told you so it retarded.
 
Zyklon C said:
I'm seriously beginning to believe that some of us are going to end up like the LoTeks in Johnny Mnemonic.
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I've literally been low-tech-maxxing since GamerGate. Still on-grid, but not for that much longer. Dad switched us from the local natural gas distribution system over to delivered-propane a few years back. We're preparing our acreage to be our main home.

You need to be preparing for governments to fuck up everything you love about tech, because it's coming, just like AI fags causing insane price increases.
 
August Levasseur said:
The framework for age verification that it proposes is honestly not that bad
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August Levasseur said:
This is not good, but acting like it’s the end of software freedom as we know it because some jew on the internet told you so it retarded.
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I generally agree with a lot of what you say, but I don't understand your take on this. It's not good, but it's not that bad? Unless something changed, GNU/Linux is supposed to be, in part, about privacy by design. Instead, we would be building age verification directly into an operating system and centralize sensitive identity data at a privileged layer of a device.

Perhaps I'm being conspiratorial, but something like this is ripe for surveillance creep, an OS-level gatekeeper that can be repurposed for broader surveillance or content control beyond its original mandate. Not to mention that once the camel of legally mandated basic biometrics gets its nose in the tent, the rest of it is going to get in eventually.

I would much rather have a layered, application-specific approach, rather than forget that data is there and just fed without my explicit agreement.
 
Obviously, the solution is to implement age verification in the OSes everyone uses: IME and PSP. :smug:
 
Zyklon C said:
I generally agree with a lot of what you say, but I don't understand your take on this. It's not good, but it's not that bad?
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My position is that this is not a good thing because age verification is a spook and dictating technical solutions by law is bad. However, I also think this is not that bad because
A. It’s not that significant,
B. It’s not that enforceable (being only one state’s law), and
C. It wouldn’t be that bad if you complied with it anyways.
They’re not requiring that users provide IDs, they’re requiring that OSes ask how old users are. Google does this. How many of you have a Youtube account that thinks you’re 10 years older than you actually are? I know I do. Importantly, the bill also essentially mandates that applications trust this information, limiting their ability to freely ask for users’ IDs.
Zyklon C said:
Unless something changed, GNU/Linux is supposed to be, in part, about privacy by design. Instead, we would be building age verification directly into an operating system and centralize sensitive identity data at a privileged layer of a device.
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Is that not exactly what should be done with sensitive information? Keeping it safe and only providing secondary metrics, rather than handing it out unredacted to every tom, dick, and harry who asks for it?
Zyklon C said:
Perhaps I'm being conspiratorial, but something like this is ripe for surveillance creep, an OS-level gatekeeper that can be repurposed for broader surveillance or content control beyond its original mandate. Not to mention that once the camel of legally mandated basic biometrics gets its nose in the tent, the rest of it is going to get in eventually.
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It’s just as likely that if this passes (which is, itself, unlikely) it will end there than it continues on to requiring foreskin prints everytime you log in.
Zyklon C said:
I would much rather have a layered, application-specific approach, rather than forget that data is there and just fed without my explicit agreement.
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An OS could easily, and would likely want to, make it obvious to users when apps were requesting their age data. Consider how whenever a website asks to use your microphone on a browser it gives you a little pop up. iOS does the same thing for apps at the system level, they would likely do the same thing for age verification, if it ever came to that, which, again, is unlikely.
 
Zyklon C said:
I generally agree with a lot of what you say, but I don't understand your take on this. It's not good, but it's not that bad? Unless something changed, GNU/Linux is supposed to be, in part, about privacy by design. Instead, we would be building age verification directly into an operating system and centralize sensitive identity data at a privileged layer of a device.

Perhaps I'm being conspiratorial, but something like this is ripe for surveillance creep, an OS-level gatekeeper that can be repurposed for broader surveillance or content control beyond its original mandate. Not to mention that once the camel of legally mandated basic biometrics gets its nose in the tent, the rest of it is going to get in eventually.

I would much rather have a layered, application-specific approach, rather than forget that data is there and just fed without my explicit agreement.
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You're not conspiratorial. China forces you to log in to any service with a government ID. Officially it’s to prevent the big boogeyman of video game addiction but they’ve definitely used this at least on that guy who was beating martial artists to a bloody pulp.
 
August Levasseur said:
God you people are niggers. If any of you had actually looked up the bill, you’d know it was introduced by two shitlibs at the state level in a shitlib nigger state that noone cares about. The actual text of the bill doesn’t require ID verification or any other fantasies, it only requires that OSes request the age or DOB of the user when they create an account, that’s it. It requires this at the OS level so that when applications request age data (which it requires them to do), the OS can provide them with age bracket data, i.e. “user over/under 18”. The bill requires that applications trust this information absent “clear and convincing information” that it’s false.
The framework for age verification that it proposes is honestly not that bad, if Apple announced something like this tomorrow for their app store, I would consider it a win for privacy. It’s better than giving your ID to 50 different platforms. The fact that it’s being proposed as a law is concerning, but it’s also not a grand conspiracy by the jews to take away your rights. What would Linux distros do if this became law (which is a long way off considering it was only discussed in committee today)? Probably just ignore it. It’s not like many children are installing Gentoo on their parents’ computers, right? But even if they did decide to think of the keeds, all they would have to do is add a third field to account creation and have a fifo or something that just repeats age bracket data endlessly to any process that requests it.
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Optimistic. Right now Lennart Poettring is plotting how he can get patches merged into the Linux kernel to make it refuse to allow regular console/GUI users to launch processes unless systemd-logind has launched systemd-aged.
 
August Levasseur said:
you’d know it was introduced by two shitlibs at the state level in a shitlib nigger state that noone cares about
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If you think this being introduced in a single state doesn't matter you truly are retarded.

August Levasseur said:
Probably just ignore it. It’s not like many children are installing Gentoo on their parents’ computers, right? But even if they did decide to think of the keeds, all they would have to do is add a third field to account creation and have a fifo or something that just repeats age bracket data endlessly to any process that requests it.
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Oh great we will have to have that to deal with from now on because we let boomer politicians decide what we should legally be required to do with an operating system I install on my device. Yeah I shouldn't care.

August Levasseur said:
This is not good, but acting like it’s the end of software freedom as we know it because some jew on the internet told you so it retarded.
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Who said it was?


And finally.
August Levasseur said:
It’s better than giving your ID to 50 different platforms. The fact that it’s being proposed as a law is concerning
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Its almost like THATS THE PROBLEM.
 
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Betonhaus said:
Switching to Xlibre and back of fairly straightforward so it's worth testing. Xlibre seems to be trying to support GPUs that were dropped by Xorg so compatibility might be slightly better
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it might be a tad early to say anything, but so far switching to xlibre and SonicDE has provided a more stable experience since switching yesterday. Atleast once a day, I would crash to the login screen on Xorg and KDE, but so far I haven't had that happen.
 
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