The Linux Thread - The Autist's OS of Choice

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CiganoMoskal said:
Now with California's Digital Age Assurance Act (because of course something as dogshit as this would come from Cali), I really don't see a future where you can truly protect your data, and by all means, I do wish to be wrong, I'd be more than happy, this is just my doomer perspective on things.


My hope now is that this retarded act is proven to be feasibly impossible on Linux, but who knows at this point.
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The way I see it, the only hope is to get normies to care.

That's why as a literal nobody with no platform or voice, I at least try everything I can to get people around me to understand why this matters. Obviously you don't want to make it the only thing you talk to people about. But making sure they actually understand the implications of this stuff is important.

If normies know, and care, it might actually change things a bit. If it's just some relatively small group of autists, no one is going to listen.
 
Curry Teafag said:
The machine I was connecting from was the host, i.e., Proxmox, latest version based on Debian 13 (Trixie). The guest was Windows Server 2022.
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I’ve never virtualized Windows via virt-manager. My tips are:
1. Install the spice guest tools from https://www.spice-space.org/download.html
2. Experiment with the graphics and display options. Keep in mind there are at least two settings to tweak. Linux guests seem to work best with virtio graphics and GL acceleration enabled.
 
Pluciferous said:
I’ve never virtualized Windows via virt-manager. My tips are:
1. Install the spice guest tools from https://www.spice-space.org/download.html
2. Experiment with the graphics and display options. Keep in mind there are at least two settings to tweak. Linux guests seem to work best with virtio graphics and GL acceleration enabled.
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Windows doesn't currently have 3d virtio drivers available, so if you want to do anything more then browse the internet and open office you need to have a second GPU you dedicate to Windows. There are 3d drivers in the works but they aren't fully useable at this time
 
I have everything installed, the VM currently uses VirGL (virtio-gl) as the GPU.
 
⠠⠠⠅⠑⠋⠋⠁⠇⠎ ⠠⠠⠊⠎ ⠠⠠⠁ ⠠⠠⠋⠁⠛ said:
The 'pornview' image viewer was only removed from Debian in 2012 because idiotic GTK changes made it unstable. Wetboobs lasted until 2018.
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"I deliberately searched a repo for things I don't like and now I'm offended! HOW CAN THIS BE HAPPENING TO ME"
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⠠⠠⠅⠑⠋⠋⠁⠇⠎ ⠠⠠⠊⠎ ⠠⠠⠁ ⠠⠠⠋⠁⠛ said:
The 'pornview' image viewer was only removed from Debian in 2012 because idiotic GTK changes made it unstable. Wetboobs lasted until 2018.
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Some of the others can simply have a "boob" -> "weboob" substitution done to
them to make them less potentially offensive, IMO.
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We appreciate, and the current users, these names. In a word is it a felony to write "boob" in a text ? If it is proven that it is, we will reconsider our arguments. BTW, is it about the package names, or the name of the executables ?
I'm not sure this is the best forum to discuss this, and I could certainly be
wrong. In an attempt to avoid a flamewar, I will endeavor to make this my
last post in this thread. I believe I've said my piece.
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I am open to discussion, and do not like flamewar. If this is not the right place to discuss, please tell me. I would like to know the official Debian point of view in order to avoid making a decision only on the top of what some people may think...
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Talking about how offensive something is yet talking about a "flamewar". 2011, wild times.
 
So one thing someone brought up recently was how he wishes gaming could become decoupled from microsoft
Idk if he remembers what it was like to game on Linux back when there were Linux native games but wine wasn't usable yet
All I remember from that era was my native Linux games not fucking working a la Linus tech tips trying to play Left 4 dead 2
A few games I've tried that are Linux native just don't launch at all
Proton fixes both issues (making windows games work and removing the need for Linux native games) at once by sanboxing everything into wine and basically ignoring what distro you run, and a Linux native solution would be something like flatpak which would probably just piss off Linux users more than it'd help
 
acid_ra1n said:
So one thing someone brought up recently was how he wishes gaming could become decoupled from microsoft
Idk if he remembers what it was like to game on Linux back when there were Linux native games but wine wasn't usable yet
All I remember from that era was my native Linux games not fucking working a la Linus tech tips trying to play Left 4 dead 2
A few games I've tried that are Linux native just don't launch at all
Proton fixes both issues (making windows games work and removing the need for Linux native games) at once by sanboxing everything into wine and basically ignoring what distro you run, and a Linux native solution would be something like flatpak which would probably just piss off Linux users more than it'd help
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The best solution would be some sort of universal gaming container, something that gives the game direct access to the hardware but abstracts the OS APIs so that it can run on any OS as long as the hardware is equivalent. Potentially it could let the same exact game binaries run on Xbox and PlayStation and Windows, Linux, etc as long as they use a x86-64 cpu.
 
Betonhaus said:
The best solution would be some sort of universal gaming container, something that gives the game direct access to the hardware but abstracts the OS APIs so that it can run on any OS as long as the hardware is equivalent. Potentially it could let the same exact game binaries run on Xbox and PlayStation and Windows, Linux, etc as long as they use a x86-64 cpu.
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That's basically AppImage, but without the glibc albatross around its neck.
 
teriyakiburns said:
That's basically AppImage, but without the glibc albatross around its neck.
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Without glibc, can be supported under Windows or any other OS on compatible hardware, and less overhead as it's not running a bunch of unneeded Linux binaries
 
acid_ra1n said:
Idk if he remembers what it was like to game on Linux back when there were Linux native games but wine wasn't usable yet
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Already been fixed with Steam Linux Runtime.

acid_ra1n said:
All I remember from that era was my native Linux games not fucking working a la Linus tech tips trying to play Left 4 dead 2
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All linus had to do was type -vulkan as a launch option. This could easily be fixed by Valve.

acid_ra1n said:
A few games I've tried that are Linux native just don't launch at all
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Thats the fault of the developers not using Steam Linux Runtime, and then leaving the Linux version to rot.

acid_ra1n said:
and a Linux native solution would be something like flatpak which would probably just piss off Linux users more than it'd help
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Or just Steam Linux Runtime.

Anyways games do need to decouple from microsoft as much as possible. Vulkan should be used instead of DirectX. Hopefully with the push away from developers using their own games engines to Unreal Engine we see more native Linux titles, since Unreal can natively ship on Linux.
 
CiganoMoskal said:
Now with California's Digital Age Assurance Act (because of course something as dogshit as this would come from Cali), I really don't see a future where you can truly protect your data, and by all means, I do wish to be wrong, I'd be more than happy, this is just my doomer perspective on things.
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The California law isn't that onerous honestly, you just submit a birthdate when you set up your device and it partitions you into an age group and that's the only thing that gets shared. In fact it's pretty pointless since kids will obviously just make up a birthdate if it's their own device.

You should look up what your friends in red states are doing, anime avatar poster
 
acid_ra1n said:
So one thing someone brought up recently was how he wishes gaming could become decoupled from microsoft
Idk if he remembers what it was like to game on Linux back when there were Linux native games but wine wasn't usable yet
All I remember from that era was my native Linux games not fucking working a la Linus tech tips trying to play Left 4 dead 2
A few games I've tried that are Linux native just don't launch at all
Proton fixes both issues (making windows games work and removing the need for Linux native games) at once by sanboxing everything into wine and basically ignoring what distro you run, and a Linux native solution would be something like flatpak which would probably just piss off Linux users more than it'd help
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Devs targeting Proton to make their games Steam Deck compatible is already a huge leap forward. Considering the negligible performance impact of WINE stuff when the game itself isn't a rushed spaghetti mess, targeting Windows or at least some abstracted version of it is probably the best option for all platforms. A Linux-first game might be a pain in the ass to port to Windows in comparison.
 
GNU Abyss said:
Devs targeting Proton to make their games Steam Deck compatible is already a huge leap forward. Considering the negligible performance impact of WINE stuff when the game itself isn't a rushed spaghetti mess, targeting Windows or at least some abstracted version of it is probably the best option for all platforms. A Linux-first game might be a pain in the ass to port to Windows in comparison.
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Maybe Sun will get the last laugh after all…
 
GNU Abyss said:
Devs targeting Proton to make their games Steam Deck compatible is already a huge leap forward. Considering the negligible performance impact of WINE stuff when the game itself isn't a rushed spaghetti mess, targeting Windows or at least some abstracted version of it is probably the best option for all platforms. A Linux-first game might be a pain in the ass to port to Windows in comparison.
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It would be hilarious if developers start prioritizing Proton compatibility to the extent that it forces Microsoft to make Windows compliant with Valve's version of the Windows APIs.
 
GNU Abyss said:
Devs targeting Proton to make their games Steam Deck compatible is already a huge leap forward. Considering the negligible performance impact of WINE stuff when the game itself isn't a rushed spaghetti mess, targeting Windows or at least some abstracted version of it is probably the best option for all platforms. A Linux-first game might be a pain in the ass to port to Windows in comparison.
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I would be happy if devs targeted Proton
 
prollyanotherlurker said:
the only hope is to get normies to care
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Easier said than done. I'd use the phrase "that's like pulling teeth" but I feel even THAT would be easier.

Pick Your Poison: You either deal with the younger generation whom have the attention span of a dust mite and can't computer for shit (even though they fucking grew up with them), or the older generation that have no idea wtf you are talking about (even if you explain it in digestible terms) and will just "yea, sure" you to death until you go away because they will forget about it within the hour.
 
Celebrate Nite said:
Easier said than done. I'd use the phrase "that's like pulling teeth" but I feel even THAT would be easier.

Pick Your Poison: You either deal with the younger generation whom have the attention span of a dust mite and can't computer for shit (even though they fucking grew up with them), or the older generation that have no idea wtf you are talking about (even if you explain it in digestible terms) and will just "yea, sure" you to death until you go away because they will forget about it within the hour.
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most people are tech illiterate innit
maybe not as bad as boomers but like when it comes to personal computers
its interesting how future kids might not be able to rely on their parents being tech illiterate
but maybe it wont matter
maybe the only thing people will be fluent, tech wise, in 30 years will be iphones
it will become like those ladybug phones that only let you call your parents or 911
except its just a phone that comes with instagram, tiktok, and bluesky preinstalled
and nothing else
 
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