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Fat Camp Intern said:
Alright so after the motherboard of my windows machine crapped out and my laptop short circuited, I booted up my old server and... Ubuntu has gone to shit.

Someone suggest a distro that doesn't suck ass
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I'm late but going to second Artix. Their ISOs now ship with Xlibre and pipewire. Plus as mentioned they have a live ISO with a GUI installer because they're not elitist faggots.
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WhiteNight said:
This is/was a problem with the Kiwi Farms chat where it would leak memory. A lot of people reported this issue in the Technical Grievances thread, and some resorted to blocking the chat to prevent it. As I recall, Null did a few things at various times to mitigate the issue. It is likely not related to your choice of distro.
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There's a forum option in your profile to block chat everywhere unless you actually click on the chat button.
 
Susanna said:
If Africa were to actually be industrialised it would first need an economy
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African countries like South Africa have had advanced economy however since niggers were to retarded to maintain it it doesn't exist anymore. All that is sustained there is resource extraction which is obviously as anything requiring competency not ran by niggers. People who have troubles understanding that their current actions influence their state within a year will never industrialize. Anyone under delusions that anything else will happen should watch empire of dust.
 
Betonhaus said:
Debian?
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Out of all the distros, Debian???
Curry Teafag said:
I used to watch YT on Win 10 without issues on my Futro S740 (Celeron J4105 with UHD Graphics 600—2017 tech) when I bought it NOS in 2021, but recently couldn't anymore, no matter which OS I tried. Something has made YT run slower over time on certain GPUs—the iGPU in the thin client seems to be such one. The thin client is basically rendered useless for desktop use due to that. The GPU is 4K-capable, mind you, with two DP 1.2 outputs.

OTOH, my much older Skylake laptop's HD Graphics 530 runs KDE at 4K and YT at up to 1440p60 just fine—same as it ever was. I currently use it for Proxmox, so not much desktop use, but still.
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Aye, I'll stand by this; I have a Beelink with a Intel I5 (Coffee Lake gen) with Mint installed on it and the thing has great performance on the internet.

Supports dual monitor, various USB types, and can play Half Life 1 (based)
 
Billy Herrington Aniki said:
its old as shit for no reason.
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Not really. Debian 13, while it might not be the latest and greatest, isn't that far behind whatever is most recent. "Old as shit" to me would be something like RHEL-based distros where they have 10 years' worth of support. Realistically it isn't even a problem then, as stuff either gets backported or I just compile it on the box. For non-pozzed stuff it normally takes a few minutes to compile stuff.

Generally, it makes very little difference in the vast majority of cases that some lib is a couple of minor versions behind the latest. You can use backports to run newer stuff anyway, or just run testing (which is pretty stable). I am running Kernel 7.0.4 on Devuan from backports (basically Debian without systemd).

The biggest issue I've had with Debian / Devuan is running some stuff to do with ROCm and AMDGPU because AMD had a stupid version requirement for libc++.
 
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Billy Herrington Aniki said:
its old as shit for no reason.
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The original post mentioned a server. Do you really need bleeding edge software on servers? Besides which, if you want fresh packages, there's always Debian Unstable. The only downside, if you care about it like me, is systemdicks. Artix devs seem a bit more put together, at least from what I've personally seen, which is the only reason I'm not on Devuan.

Fat Camp Intern said:
Alright so after the motherboard of my windows machine crapped out and my laptop short circuited, I booted up my old server and... Ubuntu has gone to shit.

Someone suggest a distro that doesn't suck ass
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What sucks ass about Ubuntu, in your opinion? That would give more information as to what you're looking for in a distro.
 
GNU Abyss said:
What sucks ass about Ubuntu, in your opinion? That would give more information as to what you're looking for in a distro.
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I was thinking about this and debating on whether I should jump in with a huge list of things I think are bad or not. After all you're asking him specifically. But then I was thinking, what if this were turned around?

Is there anything good about ubuntu? And if there is, are any of those positives unique to unbuntu or can they be found in better distros as well? I seriously can't think of any. At best you might say the UX and stability are okay but then just pick mint. Mint doesn't have snaps.
 
SCV said:
I was thinking about this and debating on whether I should jump in with a huge list of things I think are bad or not. After all you're asking him specifically. But then I was thinking, what if this were turned around?

Is there anything good about ubuntu? And if there is, are any of those positives unique to unbuntu or can they be found in better distros as well? I seriously can't think of any. At best you might say the UX and stability are okay but then just pick mint. Mint doesn't have snaps.
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Larger company behind it for support, if you count that as a positive. Canonical isn't good by any stretch, but it's in a comfortable position - outshined in malice toward users by IBM/Red Hat and Freedesktop Footfags. Lots of resources for troubleshooting used to be an advantage Ubuntu had, but nowadays your search results are going to be polluted by StackOverflow and Reddit answers from 8 years ago that no longer work. Some specific software could be targeting Ubuntu as an average user's distro. Steam used to do that. I'm not sure it does now (the directories for the client's binaries are still named ubuntu12_32/64).
 
SchizoDaemon said:
Not really. Debian 13, while it might not be the latest and greatest, isn't that far behind whatever is most recent.
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It will be by the time Debian 14 is still a year out from being released.

That said if it is actually being used on a server, old as shit + security patches is probably ideal. For a desktop not so much.
 
prollyanotherlurker said:
It will be by the time Debian 14 is still a year out from being released.
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I don't think 2 years old is particularly old for an OS.
prollyanotherlurker said:
For a desktop not so much.
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Why? I manage fine. I have Arch installed on my laptop here and Debian on another. I barely notice the difference between them. I have pretty much the same stuff installed. Often I forget which distro I am on and only find out when I type apt install <something> and it tells me the command isn't found (or vice versa).

I genuinely don't understand why people have this perception. Not that much changes anymore tbh. Maybe if you want to run the latest riced-up window manager, it probably matters.
 
SCV said:
Is there anything good about ubuntu? And if there is, are any of those positives unique to unbuntu or can they be found in better distros as well? I seriously can't think of any. At best you might say the UX and stability are okay but then just pick mint. Mint doesn't have snaps.
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Ubuntu became a default target for just about everything almost 20 years ago. If you want instructions on how to install something odd, if it exists for linux they will usually just assume you're on ubuntu, tell you exactly which packages to install, provide a .deb file targeting current ubuntu, or maybe a private repo. Most other distros get "here's how you make install it."

Mint is explicitly a derivative of Ubuntu to the point where it might as well just be the same thing. You could split hairs and say "ackshually Xubuntu is the best" because it's about as far from Ubuntu as Mint is.
 
SchizoDaemon said:
I genuinely don't understand why people have this perception. Not that much changes anymore tbh. Maybe if you want to run the latest riced-up window manager, it probably matters.
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Video driver features land faster in rolling distros, so do kernel improvements that have to do with video game performance. Latest Wine versions being easily available from the main repositories is another one. I'm not sure all of that matters much today, can't test because I don't even have a discrete GPU. For Wine, there's Umu Launcher that wraps Steam's Proton for you so there's no need to have it installed.
 
GNU Abyss said:
Video driver features land faster in rolling distros, so do kernel improvements that have to do with video game performance. Latest Wine versions being easily available from the main repositories is another one. I'm not sure all of that matters much today, can't test because I don't even have a discrete GPU. For Wine, there's Umu Launcher that wraps Steam's Proton for you so there's no need to have it installed.
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A backports kernel can solve that, which is one line in your sources, and then add the non-free repo so you can install Steam.

I am running the latest kernel on Debian 13. I have pretty decent game performance. I am using Steam + ProtonGE.

The biggest issue I've had was with HellDivers 2 and the GPU being stuck in low power mode. You need to install and then set up corectrl. I think the "gaming distros" do this for you. I don't know if the GPU being stuck in low power was a HellDivers 2 issue or distro-specific. Every other game worked fine.
 
Baraka Obama said:
Ubuntu became a default target for just about everything almost 20 years ago. If you want instructions on how to install something odd, if it exists for linux they will usually just assume you're on ubuntu, tell you exactly which packages to install, provide a .deb file targeting current ubuntu, or maybe a private repo. Most other distros get "here's how you make install it."
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I agree that this used to be true when the instructions were like 'here's how you add the PPA for breezy' but the subhuman retards at Canonical cut their own lunch when they added that retarded snap bullshit. I see less and less of that 'we have a PPA but only for recent Ubuntu releases'. The proliferation of shit like appimages in general is probably also factor here- it discourages doing all proper packaging outside what distros do.

The only place stock Debian isn't better than Ubuntu is soystemd infection. If you're concerned about getting updated or unusual in a convenient fashion , Debian is better there too- no snap infestation, and actually useful backports unlike Ubuntu.
SchizoDaemon said:
I genuinely don't understand why people have this perception. Not that much changes anymore tbh. Maybe if you want to run the latest riced-up window manager, it probably matters.
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Yeah, this is crazy. I could understand this in the KDE 3 days when you had the best desktop environment in the world including the best web browser (Konqueror), the best music player (Amarok <2.0), and great file management tools and a better terminal than anything else around (also readily integrated into Konqueror and whatever 2 pane file manager you might use) and you wanted to keep things up to date with the latest and greatest. Now? A desktop is just a way to run a web browser, I play music and audio on a separate device, all terminal emulators are basically feature equivalent, and if you run a IDE it's probably a heinously ugly Electron app (just like the best database managers are heinously ugly Java swing apps)...

I suppose if I was using some Wayland shitshow that still doesn't have feature equivalence with the real Linux desktop, frequent updates might have a point.... but then one could just be sensible and Not Use Wayland.
 
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