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acid_ra1n said:
Idk people speculate a lot
Jeets hiring jeets that really have no business coding
Vibing 30% of new code
Windows crashing has been a joke since like the 90s
Windows 10 at launch you may not remember but it was horrific
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The 9x variants of Windows were always kinda bad. However, all the 64-bit NT variants of Windows were pretty solid, as they were all based on Windows Server. Even Windows Vista was quite good if you were using the 64-bit version after SP1.

I've never had stability problems with Windows. The problems with Windows are the performance problems, the weird bugs with the filesystem that have been there for 30 years, the enshittification, the removal of features, the shitty security record, bullshit proprietary tech that doesn't work properly in the OS.
 
SchizoDaemon said:
The 9x variants of Windows were always kinda bad. However, all the 64-bit NT variants of Windows were pretty solid, as they were all based on Windows Server. Even Windows Vista was quite good if you were using the 64-bit version after SP1.
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The 32-bit versions up to 8.1 were also good.
 
Betonhaus said:
Except Windows 10 got rapidly more stable over the next month or two after launch. Windows 11 has been increasingly less stable.
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Exactly, I didn't switch until support ended for Windows 7 and I never had any problems. Windows 10 was great for me, I could leave my computer on for days and never have an issue, now with Windows 11 the same programs on the same hardware crash literally crash every five minutes and I am now getting everything set up on Linux mint and everything is running fine again.

There is no excuse for this.
 
SchizoDaemon said:
If his task were to make Windows the best OS, that would be the case. But his job is to return value to shareholders.

The stock price of Microsoft has increased 1000% since he took over from Ballmer. Under Ballmer the stock price decreased 30%.
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This is why stocks are insanely stupid. He is killing the company, no one wants to use their software and market share is going down yet people are throwing money at a company that is dying. This company may be fine right now, but in 20 years? Not so much.
 
Desktop Windows isn't Microsoft's focus anymore, it's cloud cloud cloud from here on out.
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I think this is short sighted but I'm just some guy. If the French and Germans are serious about moving away from Microsoft products then others will follow, especially if it's cheaper. That's going to be a long process, though.
 
BubbaRobot887 said:
This is why stocks are insanely stupid. He is killing the company, no one wants to use their software and market share is going down yet people are throwing money at a company that is dying. This company may be fine right now, but in 20 years? Not so much.
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This isn't true. Almost all normie people in business use Office, Azure, etc. It is impossible to say what will happen in 20 years, but I would wager they will be around for ages.
The consumer space they lost back in the 2010s when they didn't take the iPhone and Android seriously. I would say they were losing a lot of that when they didn't manage to compete with the iPod properly.

I think Office, Azure and Windows are shit (because they are), but I am not going to pretend that people don't use this stuff and it will be around for a long while yet.
 
SchizoDaemon said:
This isn't true. Almost all normie people in business use Office, Azure, etc. It is impossible to say what will happen in 20 years, but I would wager they will be around for ages.

I think Office, Azure and Windows are shit (because they are) but I am not going to pretend that people don't use this stuff.
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Sometimes business trends can change in an instant. DEI hiring practices spread like wildfire, It's perfectly possible for a trend to spread to switch to using ipads or electric typewriters for work.
 
Betonhaus said:
Sometimes business trends can change in an instant. DEI hiring practices spread like wildfire, It's perfectly possible for a trend to spread to switch to using ipads or electric typewriters for work.
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For a long time we've been slowly stepping back to a mainframe style of compute, where home devices do extremely basic tasks but everything else is on servers. Aside from gaming and multimedia software, most people would be fine with a tablet or Chromebook day to day. Which also means they would be fine with something like Mint but they're not even aware that's an option.
 
SchizoDaemon said:
The 9x variants of Windows were always kinda bad. However, all the 64-bit NT variants of Windows were pretty solid, as they were all based on Windows Server. Even Windows Vista was quite good if you were using the 64-bit version after SP1.

I've never had stability problems with Windows. The problems with Windows are the performance problems, the weird bugs with the filesystem that have been there for 30 years, the enshittification, the removal of features, the shitty security record, bullshit proprietary tech that doesn't work properly in the OS.
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i remember living through vista it was so bad i switched to ubuntu
sp1 came too little too late and didn't solve the biggest problem which was cheap laptops that weren't capable of running vista in the first place
linus just the tip did a video on vista and it kinda pissed me off because he completely misrepresented the average user's vista experience by running it on a high end gaming pc with all the patches we didn't have
 
BubbaRobot887 said:
Exactly, I didn't switch until support ended for Windows 7 and I never had any problems. Windows 10 was great for me, I could leave my computer on for days and never have an issue, now with Windows 11 the same programs on the same hardware crash literally crash every five minutes and I am now getting everything set up on Linux mint and everything is running fine again.
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I finally switched to 11 on my main PC when the LTSC became available in late 2024.
 
ok so guix chads i need ur advice
im thinking i wanna eventually run on this chinkpad guix with exwm and just live in emacs for this particular computer
is systemcrafters a good resource, and if so what order should i follow their guides in
 
Betonhaus said:
Sometimes business trends can change in an instant. DEI hiring practices spread like wildfire, It's perfectly possible for a trend to spread to switch to using ipads or electric typewriters for work.
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Microsoft is entrenched in business. People might be using Android tablets/iPads in businesses, but everything is connecting to Azure and Office 365. That isn't going to change because Windows 11 is kinda shit and has loads of spyware.

I don't want to get into the DEI stuff too much because while it is partially true, there is a tonne of ragebait on the internet about it. Often useless people tend to hide in businesses large and small.

Most of the places that talk big about DEI, saving the environment, etc. are often the most ruthless places to work. While gambling companies, which are full of actual criminals and people who would have been robber barons in a more civilised age, will mostly leave you the fuck alone to get shit done and will be quite lenient on cockups. That has been my experience.
acid_ra1n said:
i remember living through vista it was so bad i switched to ubuntu
sp1 came too little too late and didn't solve the biggest problem which was cheap laptops that weren't capable of running vista in the first place
linus just the tip did a video on vista and it kinda pissed me off because he completely misrepresented the average user's vista experience by running it on a high end gaming pc with all the patches we didn't have
https://youtube.com/watch?v=TLgRryt2ZtE
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Yes, the 32-bit versions of Vista ran like garbage on laptops at the time. I am not denying that.

Vista needed 2GB to run properly. If you had a 64-bit machine with 4 GB of RAM, which was a standard build after 2007. It ran very well.
Aidan said:
I think this is short sighted but I'm just some guy. If the French and Germans are serious about moving away from Microsoft products then others will follow, especially if it's cheaper. That's going to be a long process, though.
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Every time I hear about one of these big EU directives to use open-source software. I often know it's probably going to fail because there are Byzantine bureaucratic processes involved and ancient software involved that is essentially for running something incredibly important and was built on Visual Fox Pro or some such nonsense.
 
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SchizoDaemon said:
Yes, the 32-bit versions of Vista ran like garbage on laptops at the time. I am not denying that.

Vista needed 2GB to run properly. If you had a 64-bit machine with 4 GB of RAM, which was a standard build after 2007. It ran very well.
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wasnt igpus also an issue at the time because vistas excellent aero glass ran single core and assraped your cpu if you didnt have a dgpu
 
acid_ra1n said:
wasnt igpus also an issue at the time because vistas excellent aero glass ran single core and assraped your cpu if you didnt have a dgpu
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Probably. Generally, though, Windows XP was slow as well if you had most of the effects on, even on machines with relatively good GPUs

My memory of things was that everything was kind of not great. For me peak computing was the 90s and 2010s
  • Linux was IMO barely usable. Lots of stuff didn't work, and getting X working wasn't easy. BSDs weren't great either.
  • Windows had 3 or 4 consumer versions that were still supported at the time. Getting XP to run on anything past 2004 was a PITA because XP didn't have SATA drivers and machines were phasing out floppy controllers. I had a XP 64-bit install ISO where I had streamlined service packs and drivers.
  • Mac OSX was probably the best OS at the time, but it was tied to PowerPC. Apple was actually trying to attract people to use their stuff, e.g., there was a good student deal of an iBook, iPod and a bunch of software for a reasonable price.
 
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acid_ra1n said:
Windows 10 at launch you may not remember but it was horrific
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Oh I was there, supporting desktops and Windows 10 when it released. And it was a bad product when launched. If Microsoft didn’t have all the data collection and AI shoe horned into their OS, 10 would be their best OS since 7.
 
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