The Linux Thread - The Autist's OS of Choice

[777-]

A community is a town, a social group, a church. Some Linux support discord that you got flamed in is not a community and people that bring that up show how alienated and out of touch with reality they are.

I recall buying a grill years ago, and on the box it said "Welcome to the Weber Community" and thats you people whining about the "linux community". You think the grill you bought is a community.

People who say that Linux doesn't have a community and babble on about muh heckin' churches are ironically extremely out of touch with reality.

If you need to do anything on Linux you get help from Linux community forums and group chats, or you take their support and wringle it through an LLM.

There is no way to do stuff on Linux without interacting with the people who use linux and have the common interest of providing this support AKA a community.

Saying it doesn't count because it's online is just demented grandpa talk, because we live in a world where quite literally everything is online. Some places you can't even order food or buy groceries without an internet connection.

 

[Slav Power]

Saying it doesn't count because it's online is just demented grandpa talk, because we live in a world where quite literally everything is online

It's especially ironic to say "it doesn't count because it's online" when you're using an operating system that assumes you have an Internet connection to be able to install software and updates. In a thread where a flame war just happened over the fact that the only good way of offline software distribution on Linux are AppImages that are not the assumed default. But like I said, Linux users constantly contradict themselves and are infuriating to have an argument with because of that.

It's way less infuriating tard wrangling your Linux installation to work than it is tard wrangling a Linux user to talk like a normal human person.

 

[hog cranking frog]

If you need to do anything on Linux you get help from Linux community forums and group chats, or you take their support and wringle it through an LLM.

Nigger detected.

Or you read the manual? Or you experiment? Look at the source? Debug the problem yourself? Funny, I recall using no LLMs or group chats in 1998.

Its always the same three fags that come in here butthurt about an interaction they had in some discord or mailing list whining on about the linux community derailing any of the good discussion going on in here. Notice how all they complain about are these perceived strawman of a linux user.

If I use Kelin pliers am I part of the Klein fandom?
Mowed my lawn with a John Deere mower, am I part of the Deere community?
Because I drive a Toyota am I on Team Toyota?
Wiped my ass with Charmin TP, the Charmin Community is really a loving place.

Post code and hands.

 

[Slav Power]

Or you read the manual?

man pages are not human readable. They're more akin to an automated source code summary than a manual. The shit you can get from a --help flag is more of a manual than a man page.

Look at the source?

If I wanted to toy with the source code, I'd use Gentoo, but there's a reason only a minority uses distros like these.

Funny, I recall using no LLMs or group chats in 1998.

And in 1998 Linux was a hobbyist project with a capital H. I mean, it makes perfect sense if you and SchizoDaemon are oldheads that are perpetually stuck in the mentality of a 90's Linux user where Microsoft was their greatest mortal enemy that must've been defeated at all costs. Where now a good chunk of kernel code is contributed to by Microsoft.

Maybe it's time to let go? And if you want your niche secret nerd club, FreeBSD is right around the corner? It really sounds like you want to bog Linux down in it's 90's era just so you can relive the glory days over and over again of Linux being inaccessible to anyone but the biggest nerds. Where even Stallman had to ask other people to install Debian for him.

 

[Susanna]

man pages are not human readable. They're more akin to an automated source code summary than a manual. The shit you can get from a --help flag is more of a manual than a man page.

Man is a manual, specifically written by programmers for administrators. I'm sure a lot of the stuff in there is useful to someone.
As a user, you should just use tldr instead.

 

[Curry Teafag]

The posters in this thread are guilty of this as well, but of course no one will ever admit that they're at fault, it's the natural human reaction to defend your ego.

They will not admit anything, they will instead whine about you to the jannies.
A classic troon strategy — makes you wonder.

 

[Slav Power]

A classic troon strategy — makes you wonder.

If anything, the troon mentality stems from the nerd mentality. Troons tend to be the result of nerds getting hit by HRT like blacks getting hit by crack, and that negative character trait just gets amplified. "No I won't have a civil discussion, I'm always right you're always wrong and I'll silence you if you don't agree with me". It happened long before troons were a thing so it's not how you imply it to be.

 

[777-]

Or you read the manual? Or you experiment? Look at the source? Debug the problem yourself? Funny,

Manuals on Linux are known to be incomprehensible to someone who doesn't waste their time reading them all day, also increasingly becoming more and more sparse (or missing entirely).
"experiment" you mean risk breaking your system because it's unstable and "you're not supposed to do that" and "no usecase" retard developers?
I'm not going to waste my time reading your unmaintainable code either when i have responsibilities to take care of.

Funny, I recall using no LLMs or group chats in 1998.

I also recall almost nobody using Linux in 1998.

am I part of the Deere community?

No but you will rely on this community if shit breaks

 

[hog cranking frog]

And in 1998 Linux was a hobbyist project with a capital H

Weird, I was working for companies selling Linux systems exclusively in droves to major institutions. Was selling racks and workstations. Must have dreamt it. The major defense contracts, large universities, 100s of millions of dollars, some hobby.

You guys saying no one was using this back in the day are showing your asses as being hobbyist yourselves. Clearly only have experience as a desktop user and no professional bona fides.

 

[hog cranking frog]

No but you will rely on this community if shit breaks

There is that word again. "Community"

Yesterday I actually had my john deere break. Threw a belt. Got under it, used my brain, started taking pins out until I had the deck off and the belt back on in no time.

What community did I consult? Did I sit in a meeting with roberts rules of order? You have zero clue what the fuck a "community" is.

 

[777-]

Maybe it's time to let go? And if you want your niche secret nerd club, FreeBSD is right around the corner? It really sounds like you want to bog Linux down in it's 90's era just so you can relive the glory days over and over again of Linux being inaccessible to anyone but the biggest nerds. Where even Stallman had to ask other people to install Debian for him.

The rose tinted glasses are a dangerous drug.

Man is a manual, specifically written by programmers for administrators. I'm sure a lot of the stuff in there is useful to someone.
As a user, you should just use tldr instead.

I used tldr to set up caddy, and shit broke.... Your point?

 

[777-]

Weird, I was working for companies selling Linux systems exclusively in droves to major institutions. Was selling racks and workstations. Must have dreamt it. The major defense contracts, large universities, 100s of millions of dollars, some hobby.

You guys saying no one was using this back in the day are showing your asses as being hobbyist yourselves. Clearly only have experience as a desktop user and no professional bona fides.

The context is user-facing desktop Linux exclusively, not a bunch of servers 30 years ago

 

[hog cranking frog]

The context is user-facing desktop Linux exclusively, not a bunch of servers 30 years ago

Nigger detected again.

"Workstations" can you read? Well no, since man pages are incomprehensible to you.

 

[Betonhaus]

People who say that Linux doesn't have a community and babble on about muh heckin' churches are ironically extremely out of touch with reality.

If you need to do anything on Linux you get help from Linux community forums and group chats, or you take their support and wringle it through an LLM.

There is no way to do stuff on Linux without interacting with the people who use linux and have the common interest of providing this support AKA a community.

Saying it doesn't count because it's online is just demented grandpa talk, because we live in a world where quite literally everything is online. Some places you can't even order food or buy groceries without an internet connection.

Nigger detected.

Or you read the manual? Or you experiment? Look at the source? Debug the problem yourself? Funny, I recall using no LLMs or group chats in 1998.

Its always the same three fags that come in here butthurt about an interaction they had in some discord or mailing list whining on about the linux community derailing any of the good discussion going on in here. Notice how all they complain about are these perceived strawman of a linux user.

If I use Kelin pliers am I part of the Klein fandom?
Mowed my lawn with a John Deere mower, am I part of the Deere community?
Because I drive a Toyota am I on Team Toyota?
Wiped my ass with Charmin TP, the Charmin Community is really a loving place.

Post code and hands.

The problem you guys are having is that we’re getting into the neighborhood of asking very uncomfortable questions as to what the difference is between religion and marketing and corporations and such.

In historical times, the church of Hercules was for all extents and purposes a gym membership. Each of the Greek gods were effectively avatars for corporate entities that each had their own products and services. The Catholic Church itself can be seen as a megacorp that is focused on selling you a product (an afterlife it convinces you to want) and has all sorts of iconography and “indulgences” it sold you. The Disney Corporation is effectively a religion, with its teachings in the form of stories and merchandise that many people buy and some people horde and it literally has a goddam Mecca that it’s most devout believers make pilgrimages to. Every time marketing tries to sell you a product, it tries to indoctrinate you into a cult that believes they need said product. Effectively the only difference is if there’s a focus on sustainability, with traditional religions trying to ensure it’s followers procreate and make new followers down the road, and it’s questionable if that still applies to the Catholic Church when it is teaching its followers to replace themselves with Muslims and jeets.

The Linux community is a real thing, based on the belief in free and open software.

 

[Slav Power]

Weird, I was working for companies selling Linux systems exclusively in droves to major institutions. Was selling racks and workstations. Must have dreamt it. The major defense contracts, large universities, 100s of millions of dollars, some hobby.

You guys saying no one was using this back in the day are showing your asses as being hobbyist yourselves. Clearly only have experience as a desktop user and no professional bona fides.

Ah yes, the places where Linux now has over 90% of market share just because it was a free Unix alternative so every big corporation benefitted from targeting Linux. Surely, those systems you were deploying were GNU and not older proprietary Unix software stacks wrapped around GNU/Linux, right?

Once again, what is "Linux"? I can't believe I am constantly agreeing with Stallman on shit like this, he somehow manages to be more rational and logical than your typical "Linux" user most of the time. It really should be called GNU/Linux, and the differentiation should go beyond that. Android is technically GNU/Linux, does anyone ever mention Android when talking about GNU/Linux? My router runs a variation of GNU/Linux, so is it the same Linux as your workstation Linux?

 

[777-]

Nigger detected again.

"Workstations" can you read? Well no, since man pages are incomprehensible to you.

"Desktop" can you read? Obviously not because workstations have nothing to do with the desktop experience

 

[Curry Teafag]

Or you read the manual? Or you experiment? Look at the source? Debug the problem yourself? Funny, I recall using no LLMs or group chats in 1998.

A manual only helps if the software works as intended and there is no bug or packaging error. It is there to present and explain all the available options of an app to you.
Back in 1998, bugs and packaging errors were far rarer than they are today for a number of reasons, the quality of its maintainers and developers probably being the main one.

Also, "Look at the source? Debug the problem yourself?" — Nigger, do you hear yourself talking? Go outside and touch grass.

Maybe it's time to let go? And if you want your niche secret nerd club, FreeBSD is right around the corner? It really sounds like you want to bog Linux down in it's 90's era just so you can relive the glory days over and over again of Linux being inaccessible to anyone but the biggest nerds. Where even Stallman had to ask other people to install Debian for him.

I wish Linux were the way it was in the late 90s. My first SuSE in 1998 was so easy to get into I would compile my custom kernel after just a few weeks of use with only 1.5 years of prior computer experience. The kind of dependency hell one can easily get trapped in these days was also not a thing yet. And reading the manuals was actually worthwhile and not a waste of time.

 

[Slav Power]

wish Linux were the way it was in the late 90s

Both Windows and Linux reached a good quality equilibrium by around 2010, and it all went downhill ever since. And I swear the online discourse around these two became impossible after the release of Windows 11 and the Steam Deck, that was the event horizon that keeps leading to flame wars like these. Everyone is even more militant about the topic than ever before.

 

[hog cranking frog]

Also, "Look at the source? Debug the problem yourself?" — Nigger, do you hear yourself talking? Go outside and touch grass.

I get paid a lot of money to look at the source and debug the problems myself. Entire careers are based around this. You are either someone who contributes and fixes things for themselves or the type of person who calls support, or looks to a "community".

Its clear who the professionals and who the hobbists are in thread.

 

[Slav Power]

I get paid a lot of money to look at the source and debug the problems myself.

Its clear who the professionals and who the hobbists are in thread.

You're definitely not the professional if you keep appealing to your apparent seniority and knowledge, yet you keep coming off as someone insecure that has to assert that they're smarter than everyone else on the matter.

Plus, no one here is really talking about workstations and servers and corporate use cases of such systems. This is the hobbyist thread about desktop GNU/Linux distributions for daily use at home. Primarily that is. This wraps around to the issue of defining what "Linux" is and what "The Linux Thread" entails.