The Matrix Resurrections Thread - Woah

[Sayon]

Did they confirm Neo chops his dick off yet

 

[Megaroad 2012]

Spoiler

Wait what? So the computer simulated ghosts and all that?

Spoiler: Spooks

there were no ghosts to begin with in the books. That's the movies creation. The ring virus is a heart attack that you get when you look in the mirror and mentally see yourself age iirc (been awhile).

You transfer the curse by transferring its mediums. In Spiral, the book ends withs a movie adaptation of first books heroes journal being made.

Also main character is a man in first book, not woman.

 

[Foolish Samurai Warrior]

Spoiler: Spooks

there were no ghosts to begin with in the books. That's the movies creation. The ring virus is a heart attack that you get when you look in the mirror and mentally see yourself age iirc (been awhile).

You transfer the curse by transferring its mediums. In Spiral, the book ends withs a movie adaptation of first books heroes journal being made.

Also main character is a man in first book, not woman.

Wow, so the movie is completely different?

 

[Megaroad 2012]

Wow, so the movie is completely different?

Nah, the first movie and book are pretty much the same except mc being a male and the ex-husband now being a friend who likes to claim he's a rapist (with tiny genitals as the sequel lingers on). Cause of death is different but it's still a VHS curse that gets you seven days later.

They shot Spiral back to back with Ring and actually released it to theaters the same day as the original Ringu expecting to make more money, but no one saw it or if they did they hated it.

So a few years later they made another sequel with an original story just called Ring 2 that was more of the same instead of being a bit more heady like Spiral.

 

[Puerto Pollo]

The Matrix
The Matrix Reloaded
The Matrix Revolutions
The Matrix Dilations

 

[Ex Cummunicated Sasser HD]

I can see why it was popular back in 1999 since it tapped into the zeitgeist of that era fairly well and capitalized on the DVD format, which was a new thing at the time. But it has not aged well.

Not only that, but the PS2 when it was first marketed used The Matrix to show off it's DVD properties, and most of the original PS2 bundles started giving away The Matrix DVD and a launch game like Tekken Tag or RR5. The Matrix is probably the biggest selling DVD of all time if you account for how many were bundled with original PS2s. Sony Japan and Sony America both used it to showcase the original launch PS2 DVD capabilities.

Most people at the start of DVD were not gonna spend $500+ on just a DVD player, but everyone wanted a PS2. Same as Blu Ray and PS3. Hell my first DVD player was a Samsung thing that wouldn't even play CD-RW or DVD-RW and was very region locked with hardly any features, and that was $520 when I got it. My latest Blu Ray player was $49.99 for a Sony model that plays anything in any region including USB.

 

[Ahriman]

Actually, it is believed by many that those sequels weren't actually made. At least, not really made by the Wachowski Brothers.

Larry Wachowski was married to his wife Thea for about eight years; then, after The Matrix came out, his behavior abruptly changed. He descended into the sexual underbelly of LA, first as a fanatical new devotee to BDSM, and, later, as a transvestite and then (it is rumored) as a full-blown transsexual. Comments made concerning an earlier film, Bound, would seem to imply that this was a long-term preoccupation of Larry's and, indeed, is treated as such by many fans.

However, the truth is a bit stranger. Ilsa Strix, the woman who is generally acknowledged to have introduced Larry to BDSM, actually was a relative latecomer to his BDSM phase and was primarily a love interest, not a guide. What she did introduce him to was intramuscularly-injected ketamine.

Ketamine is widely known as a "party drug," generally as a poor substitute for ecstasy. But ketamine is neither a stimulant nor a psychedelic, strictly speaking; it is a dissociative anaesthetic, far more similar to dextromethorphan hydrobromide (DXM, in 'Tussin) and PCP than to ecstasy, mushrooms, LSD, et cetera. As "party drug" people are usually wary of needles, they tend to snort ketamine. People tending to enjoy more, ah, intense drug experiences may inject it into a muscle.

Ketamine, injected into muscle, triggers an extremely intense dreamlike state that lasts for days (according to the injectee) or ten minutes (according to consensual reality). The injectee is otherwise unconscious during this time.

It is believed that Ilsa Strix (professional Dominatrix, ex-wife of Buck Angel, for whom you probably do not want to do a Google Image Search) introduced Larry Wachowski to an experiment she had conceived of while watching the film Altered States; what if ketamine intoxication could be combined with the endorphin and psychological rushes resulting from painful domination and sex? A typical session consisted of a long period (sometimes hours) of degradation, beatings and "confusion play" at the hands of Buck Angel, followed by prolonged whipping and prolonged orgasm denial, and then a sudden injection of ketamine at orgasm.

As one might imagine, this had a hell of an effect.

What no one could predict was the immense amount of power that Ilsa Strix would thereafter exercise over Larry Wachowski and, thus, the Wachowski Brothers as a pair. As Larry became more and more fixated on Ilsa and her play, she began transitioning their private relationship into a more public role. Private humiliation turned into public humiliation, with the tall, formerly burly Wachowski forced into increasingly effeminate costumes for degrading public display.

It is thought that, at this time, Ilsa Strix guided the drug-addled, traumatized Larry Wachowski to alter the Matrix epic (originally intended to be an HBO original series, with a theatrical pilot) into a trilogy with the second and third films shot simultaneously á la Back to the Future. Andy Wachowski, who had been in favor of keeping the series theatrical (although he disliked the confinements of the trilogy format) saw a theatrical trilogy as a valid compromise.

The storyline that the brothers had thought out was greatly compressed, and Ilsa Strix's ideas were added (the Twins and the Zion Orgy thing, for instance, but also the recommendation of the incomparable Monica Bellucci). Much of the ambiguity of the first film was discarded and a more conventional Christ mythology was adopted; it is believed that the obvious archetypal interactions of the first film were what Neo was truly trying to destroy -- essentially freeing humanity's minds so that its asses would follow.

In short, the Wachowski Brothers originally intended to present The Matrix series as an allegory of mankind overcoming its genetic predispositions to certain shared narratives (monomyths) that Larry and Andy considered harmful. Instead, the trilogy ended up as just another exercise of those monomyths.

Whatever the outcome of that experiment, the Wachowski Brothers have since shown no signs of fulfilling their early promise. The affair is rumored to have greatly weakened the brothers' abilities to work together, and their "collaborations" since have essentially been for show, more akin to McCartney and Lennon's "collaborations" than a truly shared affair.

TL;DR: Ilsa Strix essentially made #2 and #3.

Source.

An interesting theory. I actually think it's true.

 

[Absolutego]

That dominatrix 100% turned both of them into trannies but thinking it was that that fucked up the sequels is an exercise in coping.
The truth is they're generally good directors when another personality can curb their worst excesses in the screenplay, with the first Matrix movie being the sole exception. Cloud Atlas was their best film in years and I'm convinced that's only because they had that German dude around to tell them to shut up once in a while. They're basically the GenX version of George Lucas.

 

[Dom Cruise]

The Wachowski Brothers must be desperate for attention since trooning out didn't get them enough asspats.

Every single movie these two guys have made sucked with the possible exception of the first Matrix.

And to be quite honest, I never thought The Matrix was that good in the first place. Decent, but not great.

I can see why it was popular back in 1999 since it tapped into the zeitgeist of that era fairly well and capitalized on the DVD format, which was a new thing at the time. But it has not aged well.

Trying to update The Matrix to 2010's sensibilities is going to suck even worse than the sequels did.

The Matrix is extremely 90s, it taps into the zeitgeist of the era in a way that few things do as much.

The Men in Black style Agents, the ATF looking SWAT police and the whole paranoia of the premise taps into the popularity of conspiracy theories at the time.

The "working in an office sucks" thing, the black leather and sunglasses, the fascination with Asian culture, the fascination with computers, VR and AI, blowing guys the fuck away with guns, the whole thing is just about every trope of 90s culture rolled into one.

I still really like The Matrix and even as flawed as they are still respect the sequels because it was basically the last time movies and most of pop culture really tried to do something fresh and new*

Movies and most of pop culture for the last near 20 years have basically been stuck chasing it's tail, trying to recapture the magic of eras past instead of only looking towards the future, I remember a movie critic (John Scalzi in fact) reviewing Star Trek Nemesis, calling the movie crap and dismissing Star Trek as a dead franchise and saying that The Matrix was going to be the next big nerd obsession, which is hilariously ironic looking back.

I'm not saying movies can never cash in on nostalgia but I do feel like we've been overdosing on it in recent years.

*The one big summer blockbuster I can think of that was an exception in recent years is Inception and I guess Tenet of course.

 

[Ahriman]

That dominatrix 100% turned both of them into trannies but thinking it was that that fucked up the sequels is an exercise in coping.

I mean, it's bullshit but I'll believe it.

If they were balls-deep into CBT and all that degenerate stuff, it sounds plausible that she could have had an influence in some parts of the movies.

The rest is all true and verifiable, the dominatrix destroyed Larry's marriage and everything else that followed.

 

[LightDragonman1]

Decided to revive this thread now that more reports are coming out after some got exclusive access to the trailer.

Honestly, I'm cautiously optimistic. On the one hand, the fact that the movie is being written by not just Lana alone, but with two award winning novelists, David Mitchell and Aleksandar Hemon gives me hope that they can reign her in and help cover her weaknesses ( like they apparently did when writing the finale for Sense8 ). But on the other hand, the Wachowskis pulling a JK Rowling on the original film by stating that it was always meant to be a trans allegory, and and how the media seems to be in full favor of that being the case of it always being that metaphor gives me pause.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

They only had the first success because it was a conglomeration of various anime manga kung fu movies and 80s sci fi books they liked. and it was a pretty decent conglomeration I gotta say, but they used it all up in the first movie. they're great at interpreting existing media but not so much creating something entirely new. that's why people liked speed racer and cloud atlas but not the matrix sequels so much. if anyone wants more matrix they're better off reading blame! and watching the first ghost in the shell movie.

Second GitS movie. Brain hacks are a significant plot point in that movie, which leads to some wonderfully surreal scenes.

 

[WULULULULU]

Mark my words when the movie releases. Movie will be more inferior to the first film and its sequels while CGI-fags will embrace it.

 

[White Devil]

This one is probably going to have actual troon shit shoved into it, unlike the first three.

 

[Return of the Freaker]

Not looking forward to this at all. Doesn't help a friend is already excited because "trans rights and it'll piss off transphobic chuds"

 

[qu_rahn]

I mean, it's bullshit but I'll believe it.

If they were balls-deep into CBT and all that degenerate stuff, it sounds plausible that she could have had an influence in some parts of the movies.

Remember how gay the orgy scene was?

 

[LightDragonman1]

Btw, Keanu Reeves was asked what he thought of the fact that the original film is now being thought of as a trans allegory, and that it was always meant to be one. His response is rather telling.

Well, there you go. That really makes me wonder if the Wachowskis really always intended for it to be one, or if they are just making that up after the fact ala JK Rowling. It also makes me wonder why so many are now automatically believing what Lilly said as being the absolute truth.

 

[Product Placement]

I have never been bored during a Wachowski movie, if it is a wreck like most of their movies have been, it will still be interesting on some level.

So I expect a failure of a movie, that overall looks nice with some good set pieces, but ultimately has a hard time executing any of the interesting or more out-there ideas within the movie. I honestly rather see that, than a bland ass movie by the numbers movie with no ambitions, even if the final product is a worse movie overall.

 

[Ahriman]

It's here (the teaser)

 

[augment]

Does Neo come back as a single working-class pregnant black woman. Will definitely watch.