The #MeToo Issue: Is it really a valid movement?

[Silver Chariot]

So in reading the Vic Mignogna thread, I'm noticing this trend of shouting out stories that "Vic sexually harassed me" and yet I see no production of receipts, video footage... etc. Yet people every day believe that Vic is a predator despite the lack of proof.

The #MeToo movement really gained traction in the Harvey Weinstein incident:

How the Harvey Weinstein scandal unfolded

Key developments in the saga surrounding the film producer.

www.bbc.com

Harvey Weinstein sexual abuse cases - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Though it started out the same way, people actually had proof that Harvey was, indeed, a piece of shit.

And then on the opposite end of the spectrum, Brian Banks, a man destined to go to the NFL had it not been for 1 false accusation:

Brian Banks | Brian Banks Movie | California Innocence Project

Brian Banks spent 5 years in prison for a crime he did not commit. On May 24, 2012, the California Innocence Project exonerated him of all charges.

californiainnocenceproject.org

Brian Banks (American football) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

From what I can find, there was no proof presented. The school in 2002 expelled Brian due to this incident, though it's really because the accuser sued the school for "providing an unsafe environment". Being an American school, they wimped out and failed to see any actual justice done. 10 years after that incident, justice had been seen, but by that point, Brian didn't have a football career anymore.

So is #MeToo really a valid movement? Do they really want to see justice done? Or do they want to see their own selfish justice?

 

[Give Her The D]

I mean, it was at one point. Then it got hijacked by people who just had grudges against somebody and wanted them gone.

Not to say there aren't still valid people who're disgusting pieces of shit that need to be hit with a #MeToo accusation, but I take most #MeToo accusations now with a grain of salt until I see hard evidence like we had with Weinstein or Spacey.

 

[Otterly]

It clearly hit a nerve. Pretty much every woman out there has been at least felt up against her will at one point.
It’s turned into a monster though and become something to ruin people’s reputations with no evidence needed. That’s not good.
I also think it’s probably used as a distraction from the really unpleasant stuff that goes on in Hollywood and elsewhere regarding kids. Weinstein probably pissed off a lot of people by being such a foul degenerate, outlived his usefulness somewhere and was chucked under the bus.
Bottom line is that a lot of the Hollywood women ended up on the casting couch. That’s certainly trading sex for favours but where that becomes actual coercion Is a murky issue. There is a difference between sleeping with someone because you want a role and having to have sex with someone because you’re forced to, threatened, or it’s insinuated you will be harmed, or your career destroyed.

 

[Coffee Shits]

Getting hit on in the workplace? That's a "movement".
Frustration about pedos in Hollywood? It's a "movement".
Concern about ingredients you can't pronounce on the shampoo bottle? Yep, that's a "movement" too.

Everything's a damn movement nowadays.

 

[NOT Sword Fighter Super]

I'm sure it started with good intentions, but got hijacked much like gamergate.

 

[heyilikeyourmom]

There’s enough actual rape that it’s still a valid movement.

 

[mr.moon1488]

To me it's about like the daycare center satanism/pedophilia scare of the 80s, and 90s. You have a few real incidents, which cause people to freak out, and start seeing shit everywhere.

 

[Lina Colorado]

Blasy-Ford(whatever the spelling is), the trump accusers, were the type of liars that ruined it all for legit rape victims in hollywood and beyond. Then metoo started to crumble down.

Now every time someone comes forward, we question the hell out of those people when some of them obviously would'nt make random shit up. It's pretty sad.

 

[Local Coyote]

When the hashtag first started trending, I predicted it would be used more for evil than good. Unfortunately I think I was right.

There were true bad actors weeded out by MeToo, but their numbers are very small compared to the false and exaggerated accusations that have destroyed lives and driven a few to suicide. It is now a weapon to be used against men who somehow wronged the accuser. It's akin to the Red Scare but instead of communists it's sexual harassers/assaulters (and Nazis as well but that's a different topic.) The use of sexual misconduct allegations to get rid of people these women don't like has made it all the more difficult for women who actually have been sexually abused.

On top of all this, MeToo seems to be a trend of treating social media like the police and legal system. It is not and shouldn't be. Go to the fucking cops.

 

[Christ Cried]

#MeToo is 60% victims and 40% grifters/opportunists

 

[pierce your heart]

The whole concept of #metoo was shit from the start because it promoted treating social media as the authority to deal with rape accusations. Going through the legal system and wining a case is basically the only way to make sure the predator gets punished and stays punished since 90% of society will be behind you by that point. Making a rape accusation only on social media/ the press is basically admitting that your accusations would fall apart under the scrutiny of a court. Going this route make sense only if you are stupidly naive or going against someone with tangible influence over the courts or the police.

 

[Radical 38]

#MeToo is/was motivated by two things: The underreported (and often overlooked) incidences of rape of women in general, and exploitation of women by persons of power in particular. Both are real concerns and anyone thinking to the contrary is a manlet or a very, very sheltered spergatorious. It’s merits are quite comparable to NGOs that work to the end of bettering society through activism, charity, jurisprudence and so on.

#MeToo’s decline is largely due to infighting. It’s actual effects on society is palpable and, to an extent, positive. See this study.

 

[Exigent Circumcisions]

See this study.

250 women's perceptions do not a comprehensive study make.

 

[Radical 38]

250 women's perceptions do not a comprehensive study make.

That’s why I got away with it 250 times!

 

[LullerDerbyRollin]

As much good as this movement has done and can still do more, it'll burn out in the next couple of years. Who's been the last #MeToo'd since like Vic? It's not so much important on fucking weebs and the industry they don't even like, as it is if Vic defends successfully I could see the last bits of wind get sucked out of the sails. Ultimately, it won't be anyone's fault but the people that were in the movement.

 

[Urist Steelthrone]

Yes it is because hollywood exists. There's too much pedos and male feminists for this to not be the case.

 

[BOONES]

No.

 

[Urist Steelthrone]

#MeToo has always existed. As long as there's shitty crimes, people can exploit false accusations to their advantage. The question is how do we deal with false accusations?

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

I don't think so. The movement was born post-Trump election and nearly immediately became a cudgel against political targets. It doesn't exist to actually improve the way the law and courts handle cases of sexual harrasements or rape for ordinary women, it exists so privilaged women can have power over their bosses using impossible to disprove claims and have said claims bypass the law system for a personality assassination (as long as the target is not a friend of the Democratic party).

 

[Ughubughughughughughghlug]

Fun fact: the vast majority of rape accusations are complete BS.

I don't have statistics, I have anecdotal evidence from police. They deal with fake rape accusations all the time.