The #MeToo Issue: Is it really a valid movement?

[Jaimas]

The few cases of MeToo accomplishing something of actual value are dramatically outgunned by the number of times it's been used to ruin lives, and more importantly, by its fucking body count. If you've been on this website for more than 3 years, you've seen dozens of cases of ruined careers, suicides, broken relationships, devastated reputations, and more that did not have so much as a single solitary grain of evidence behind them. For every single legitimate use of MeToo, I can list off five examples where it was used to try to do as much damage as possible to someone's life, and that's not even talking about high-profile obviously-bogus shit like Brett Kavanaugh or Donald Trump:

Brianna Wu doing it to Nolan Bushnell because he won an award she felt she was entitled to.
Or Zoe Quinn doing it multiple times to multiple people, culminating with Alec Holowka, who fucking killed himself.
Or Vic Mignogna being accused by dozens of speds who can provide no evidence whatsoever.
Or ProJared, whose ex tried to destroy his life.
Or that one dipshit that tried to extort money out of Darksyde Phil before Null exposed that she was shoving a whiffleball bat up her cooch.
Or Evilore, who had the mouth-breathing fucks of NeoGAF do it to him in an attempt to instigate a sitewide takeover.

Hell, I fucking reviewed a book on the matter that fucking encourages people to make up false accusations to get rid of men who happen to be in the way. Anyone who feels this "movement" is anything other than a vector for assholes to circumvent actual justice by using Social Media to browbeat their enemies into submission is either fucking ignorant or deliberately obtuse.

 

[TrippinKahlua]

On one hand you got the Me Too movement, but on the other, you got Shakira licking a dildo microphone.

 

[Lemmingwise]

Metoo was a hollywood PR move to make sure that the Weinstein stuff didn't turn into pizzagate 2.0 with thousands of internetpeople researching. The first two weeks of weinstein was hollywood actors talking in absolutely terrified tones about it, as a man who receives the police while the grave in his yard is still freshly dug. Then suddenly they all got on message that was clearly an orchestrated PR move (yes, the allegations are horrible, and this happens EVERYwhere).

Some of the most influential people kept repeating this and then a mix of previous victims and professional "victims" started talking about it. Then since it was a created distraction, hollywood press then moved onto phase 2, which was keeping it in the news until everyone was sick of it.

 

[frozenrunner]

No, it isn't and never has been a valid movement.

It isn't valid... "believe all women" isn't in any way realistic or convincing a position, and the underlying "argument" that women are strong but can't be expected to do anything but crumble when faced with the Western justice system's requirement you prove your claims... that's insultingly stupid.

It isn't a movement, either. It's slacktivist, social media-centric, mindless mob behavior. They don't have good intentions. They're hysterical, authoritarian assholes.

 

[Bioniclelover]

Wait, I thought it was revealed recently that Harvey Weinstein had no balls or something like that, how could he rape women if he was trans?

Harvey Weinstein accuser claims he is intersex as he has no testicles, Weinstein says it’s a ‘perfect’ description

One of Harvey Weinstein's accusers has told a jury that his genitals appear to be "intersex", a description Weinstein himself admitted was "perfect".

web.archive.org

 

[Sperghetti]

To me it's about like the daycare center satanism/pedophilia scare of the 80s, and 90s. You have a few real incidents, which cause people to freak out, and start seeing shit everywhere.

An especially apt comparison when you consider that the rallying cry for one of the key cases was "believe the children", because children would obviously never lie.

(Except, it turns out, when adults with an agenda are badgering them for hours on end and refusing to take "no" for an answer. Then they'll tell you that they were flushed down a toilet and molested by Chuck Norris.)

 

[NoodleFucker3000]

No. It's a hashtag. People have been fighting for better laws protecting victims of sex crimes for years and years. Before there were actual professionals in the criminal justice system and now it's just cunts on tumblr making a mockery of what is an actual social problem.

 

[UnclePhil]

Its heart was in the right place but it set a dangerous precedent.

It gave sex abuse victims a chance to say "This happened to me" instead of remaining silent about it. It called out scumbag Hollywood royalty who were allowed to function under 'open secrets.' These are all good things.

Replacing the justice system with social media is NOT a good thing. Who needs due process when you can ruin someone's life in less than a minute on Twitter? Who needs police reports, a right to an attorney and a trial when you can sic thousands of "listen and believe" strangers on a target via a hashtag? Then there were the heated debates that blew up about whether this court of public opinion should execute over jerking off in front of an unresponsive audience or a blowjob from 20 years ago, when the fucker has already been lit on fire and thrown off a cliff.

On a lesser note, you had bullshit like a new Leisure Suit Larry game announced that was always followed with the mantra "Why, in the age of #MeToo, are we allowing..."

Oh, and not being allowed to criticize the movement.

 

[Angel Dust]

I'm going to vote no.

In the beginning I think the intent was good, but it quickly became twisted and amalgamated into another victim Olympics. We've seen so many cases of women just throwing out a me too to cover their own shit or just straight up lying. The amount of dumb shit I've seen tagged with me too is staggering. The problem with all these trendy hashtags is they're quickly over taken by attention whores.

Also, the cold hard truth of the matter is that nobody cares. Unless you're famous, no one gives a shit about your experiences on a wider scale. Tell your friends or family or therapist. The internet doesn't care. It's like screaming into the void. I've been sexually harassed. Unfortunately I think most women in general have been. Is it wrong? Yes. Should it be changed? Yes. But it doesn't change the fact that news media and society at large just doesn't care about it.

 

[Surf and TERF]

To me it's about like the daycare center satanism/pedophilia scare of the 80s, and 90s. You have a few real incidents, which cause people to freak out, and start seeing shit everywhere.

It is everywhere in this case.

Fun fact: the vast majority of rape accusations are complete BS.

I don't have statistics, I have anecdotal evidence from police. They deal with fake rape accusations all the time.

It’s very difficult to prove that a rape occurred. Most victims can’t manage to get to the hospital right away to provide evidence. There are no witnesses to testify whether or not there was consent.

This doesn’t mean the accusations are false.

 

[HensKenKline]

No, it's not a valid movement. It's a bunch of Hollywood celebrities regretting their own decision to sleep with some filthy Blues because they wanted fame and big bucks, while pretending to be some kind of earth-shattering discovery like "rape is bad". I mean, no shit, yeah, rape is bad.

I haven't researched this, but I'm mildly curious how many people without large Twitter followings tweeted a #metoo that nobody ever reacted to.

In either case, what's the point?
1. You got catcalled by someone and now they have to lose their income because of it? That just makes you an asshole.
2. You got raped by someone and now they lose their income? How is that even remotely enough? If someone rapes you, you probably want them dead.

Many other things to criticize about it. Oh well, let them do and tweet whatever they want. Just another celebrity drama in my book.

 

[Shield Breaker]

#MeToo is/was motivated by two things: The underreported (and often overlooked) incidences of rape of women in general, and exploitation of women by persons of power in particular. Both are real concerns and anyone thinking to the contrary is a manlet or a very, very sheltered spergatorious. It’s merits are quite comparable to NGOs that work to the end of bettering society through activism, charity, jurisprudence and so on.

#MeToo’s decline is largely due to infighting. It’s actual effects on society is palpable and, to an extent, positive. See this study.

Having men be terrified of being left alone with me in the immediate aftermath sure was positive.

 

[Mexican_Wizard_711]

#MeToo made me gay, Now all I want to do is bang dudes.

 

[murgatroid]

I would say in principle yes, but in actuality no. It's too easy to abuse and has been abused beyond all merit it once may have had.

And if "believe victims" at all costs is considered a tenet of the movement than no, the movement has not merit at all.

 

[jje100010001]

FYI, just noticing that #Metoo 2.0 is starting up now.

Fem-Twitteratti making all sorts of accusations with no receipts, and their followers swallowing it hook, line and sinker.

Example with Justin Bieber, but there are other instances involving other personalities big and small.

 

[Shqueefa]

FYI, just noticing that #Metoo 2.0 is starting up now.

Fem-Twitteratti making all sorts of accusations with no receipts, and their followers swallowing it hook, line and sinker.

Example with Justin Bieber, but there are other instances involving other personalities big and small.

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There's been some bullshit with a streamer sexually harassing apparently called Lono. Now every female on Twitter, in the gaming industry, bringing up how they got groped or some form of assault 10+ years ago but bringing it to light made them feel "shameful."

 

[jje100010001]

There's been some bullshit with a streamer sexually harassing apparently called Lono. Now every female in the gaming industry bringing up how they got groped or some form of assault 10+ years ago but bringing it to light made them feel "shameful."

Not just gaming, but a bunch of other spheres as well, and it seems to have appeared over the last few days.

Again, no receipts, but their word is considered as good as gold.

 

[Shqueefa]

Not just gaming, but a bunch of other spheres as well, and it seems to have appeared over the last few days.

Again, no receipts, but their word is considered as good as gold.

Being sexually harassed/assaulted is never good, and everyone agrees. The problem I have is how they mentioned it happened a decade or more ago and as how shitty as it sounds, makes them seem like an opportunist. They
announce it on a fucking tweet about what happened long ago instead of going to the police and getting their employer involved at the time it occurred.

Sorry but with recent events like what we had with the surpeme court dude, it makes me highly suspicious nowadays.