The Metroid 2 Effect - Is this real or am I insane

[ZMOT]

Infinite is overrated trash. But BS2 is the best of the series, minus one too many KOTH segments. BS1 is a putter while BS2 is a driver.

it's not that bad, lot of great craftmanship and effort all across the game, it's just that the story (or rather the twist) pales in comparison to the other *shocks, and levine violently shitting himself trying to retcon bs2 in the dlc didn't help either. if you take it as a standalone/parallel dimension story it's digestible.

 

[Dark Edea]

it's not that bad, lot of great craftmanship and effort all across the game, it's just that the story (or rather the twist) pales in comparison to the other *shocks, and levine violently shitting himself trying to retcon bs2 in the dlc didn't help either. if you take it as a standalone/parallel dimension story it's digestible.

The story is mainly the problem. A lot of missed potential. Especially when the curtain is lifted in the third act.

I also laughed during the hype cycle for Infinite. Levine made such a huge deal about the rail combat and how it was new stuff. And then not only was most of that cut and gimped, but Metroid Prime beat them to the punch by six years.

 

[Judge Dredd]

Arkham Origins

Not played, but it's in my backlog.

Borderlands Pre-Sequel

My favourite of the Borderlands games, but I don't like any of the Borderlands games. Never have. I like the concept, but the execution is lacking. Destiny came the closest to delivering the looter shooter goods.

What's interesting is how the Borderlands games have been retconned as a whole when Randy Pitchford started being a dick.

Oddly enough, a similar thing happened with Bayonetta. Nintendo fans shitting on Bayonetta 1 and 2 when the first game got a PC re-release.

Bioshock 2

Never played, but I have heard good things about the DLC.

One common thing about all the games you listed. They were all made by the B-team, farmed out to make money off a hot name. Bioshock 2 in particular missed the point by focusing on multiplayer and fucking up the story. Which is a shame because having it set during the fall of rapture was a good idea imo. The DLC goes into the lore behind the turrets and robots I think? I don't know. I never played it.

I'd be interested in trying Bioshock 2 though, because the other Bioshock games were overrated in both gameplay and story. That game pissing off the Bioshock faithful makes me wonder if they did a better job with it than the main games.


Another game I've not seen mentioned. Dead Rising. Each sequel is hated on release, and the previously hated sequel is said to be good by comparison.

 

[The handsome tard]

Another game I've not seen mentioned. Dead Rising. Each sequel is hated on release, and the previously hated sequel is said to be good by comparison.

Hmm, I dont recall Dead Rising 2 being hated upon launch (I could be wrong tho), tho I began to witness that with Dead Rising 3 getting hated upon its exclusivity on Xbox One (when the series was going for a multi port direction) and its plot being all over the place and the lack of Frank West (how could they?)

Then Dead Rising 4 happened and made the flaws of 3 seem rather minor in comparison. Dead Rising 3 is a meh Dead Rising game. Dead Rising 4 is a travesty so between a C and F, I guess you will stick with the former grade.

Edit:

My grade of the Dead Rising series

DR1 - A-
DR2- B+
DR OTR - A
DR 3 - C
DR 4 - F

 

[BananaSplit]

I appreciated Dark Souls 2 (SotS on PC) despite it's considered as the black sheep of the franchise among the fanbase. It's definitively true it was janky as hell and suffered a lot during development, but it had that weird "Alice in Wonderland" feeling compared to the other DaS titles if I can describe that properly. Like it's some kind of distorted dream, especially if you try to make sense how the areas are connected to each other.

 

[JektheDumbass]

I appreciated Dark Souls 2 (SotS on PC) despite it's considered as the black sheep of the franchise among the fanbase. It's definitively true it was janky as hell and suffered a lot during development, but it had that weird "Alice in Wonderland" feeling compared to the other DaS titles if I can describe that properly. Like it's some kind of distorted dream, especially if you try to make sense how the areas are connected to each other.

Dark Souls felt like you were crawling through the remains of a great empire.

Dark Souls 2 felt like a nightmarish distortion of reality.

Dark Souls 3 felt like even the great nation you are exploring the ruins of was a horrible place.

All three are great games but my favorite is 2 tbh.

 

[ZMOT]

The story is mainly the problem. A lot of missed potential. Especially when the curtain is lifted in the third act.

I also laughed during the hype cycle for Infinite. Levine made such a huge deal about the rail combat and how it was new stuff. And then not only was most of that cut and gimped, but Metroid Prime beat them to the punch by six years.

that might be it then, I wasn't hyped, can't even remember the last time I was. didn't follow the marketing either because that either changes or is embellished anyway.

played an... "internet backup", liked what I saw, then picked it up for cheap a few days after launch. so my only expectation was more of what I've already seen firsthand, and the price made sure I don't have buyer's remorse or need some post-purchase rationalization. that's my usual strategy.

 

[MysticMisty]

My feelings for Metroid 2 is that I neither love nor hate it. It's an alright game that laid down further foundations for future entries, but suffers from it's limitations. With the exception of the music in the starting are the soundtrack is very mediocre (in a franchise known for it's excellent music), and the monochrome graphics make everything look the same. I'm sure that it's blind defenders insist they're features and not bugs, though, which is stupid as hell. Metroid would've been a one and done if it didn't have it's distinctive graphics and music. And it still gets across the idea of isolation in a hostile, alien world just fine. Even ambience is a poor excuse since Metroid conveyed that just fine with music. It wasn't like the Prime days when they could convey that perfectly with background hums or sounds. And they still used cool music to create the mood to boot.

Metroid 2's limitations are what made it ripe for remake, official or otherwise. Same reason why the original game got a remake ages ago, which itself had a far bit of hate against it at the time for daring to expand with new areas, bosses, and weapons (in the end). It's also why Super Metroid hasn't gotten a remake: save doing it in 3D or animated (in the vein of DuckTales Remastered), what more could they add or do to improve the experience?

On pure gameplay it's a lot of fun and demonstrates classic Metroid gameplay elements very well.

Hard disagree there, I thought even the gameplay was an unfun slog compared to the Prime series.

More to the point, anything that isn't a dark Alien-esque experience is seen by them as completely against the core of the series

I wish I could find it again (because I don't know where I saw it), but I saw someone complaining about AM2R's music as being too dark and Prime-like. He then added that Metroid is supposed to be "80's sci-fi cheese, like Alien." To this day I'm still not sure if he's a retard who never saw Alien (or Aliens), or just a retard and everything about Alien and Aliens went over his head.

 

[Smug Chuckler]

Now if you want to know a "sequel" that was a black sheep and was on shittier hardware like the Game Boy, there is Donkey Kong Land. That game was fucking unbearable to play on the original Game Boy, It had shitty physics and screen crunch. Though it would be nice if it was remade, some of the levels were good especially the city levels.

 

[Smaug's Smokey Hole]

Metroid 2 is a good game if you play it with a reference map and cross off the Metroids as you kill them. It would probably be virtually unplayable without one. Especially on an actual GB.

I played through it on the fat gameboy in the summer of 92. The tolerance for absolute bullshit was way higher back then, I can't even remember feeling lost or frustrated with the exception of the last boss.

The Metroid Effect should be called the Metroid Effect. Metroid is a series that people talk about and hype up, wishing for new games, then no one buys them if they make one. Same with traditional Castlevania or Iga-vania's. Lords of the Shadow outsold every other game in the series and those games look stupid and was made by filthy spaniards. This is why we can't have nice things.

 

[MysticMisty]

then no one buys them if they make one.

I've bought nearly every Metroid game to date, with the sole exception of Samus Returns, and that's only because I couldn't find it in any damn store I went to, even GameStop. And I don't live in a small town either, so that's Nintendo's fuck up there. I do plan on getting it eventually though, it can't be worse than Other M (which to date is the only Metroid game I've completely regretted buying). I'm not opposed to AM2R either, but I've yet to find a download that doesn't yield a corrupted game.

 

[Dunkleosteus]

I was a big pokemon fan as a kid but was a poor and only had blue on the GBC and sapphire and, years later, emerald on the GBA. Borrowed GSC from friends occasionally so did experience them to some degree.

My big gripe, even as a young kid was the sheer financial investment to complete the Pokedex. To complete it you required:
- a GBA
- pokemon emerald
- a GameCube
- pokemon Colosseum
- pokemon XD/ Fire Red/ Leaf Green
- a GBA to GameCube connector cable.
This is all for like 350 pokemon btw.

I only ever see people praise RBE nowadays and no-one ever mentions the $$$ required to actually complete the task the game asks you to do. The remakes are also bad but at least you can get all 700+ relatively easily.

 

[Smug Chuckler]

I was a big pokemon fan as a kid but was a poor and only had blue on the GBC and sapphire and, years later, emerald on the GBA. Borrowed GSC from friends occasionally so did experience them to some degree.

My big gripe, even as a young kid was the sheer financial investment to complete the Pokedex. To complete it you required:
- a GBA
- pokemon emerald
- a GameCube
- pokemon Colosseum
- pokemon XD/ Fire Red/ Leaf Green
- a GBA to GameCube connector cable.
This is all for like 350 pokemon btw.

I only ever see people praise RBE nowadays and no-one ever mentions the $$$ required to actually complete the task the game asks you to do. The remakes are also bad but at least you can get all 700+ relatively easily.

and you couldn't trade from Gen I and II games either. However I said fuck it and bought a Pro Action Replay to get them all.

 

[The handsome tard]

I was a big pokemon fan as a kid but was a poor and only had blue on the GBC and sapphire and, years later, emerald on the GBA. Borrowed GSC from friends occasionally so did experience them to some degree.

My big gripe, even as a young kid was the sheer financial investment to complete the Pokedex. To complete it you required:
- a GBA
- pokemon emerald
- a GameCube
- pokemon Colosseum
- pokemon XD/ Fire Red/ Leaf Green
- a GBA to GameCube connector cable.
This is all for like 350 pokemon btw.

I only ever see people praise RBE nowadays and no-one ever mentions the $$$ required to actually complete the task the game asks you to do. The remakes are also bad but at least you can get all 700+ relatively easily.

Am I the only one that never played these games to complete the pokedex? Maybe because there was no decent reward for it besides patting on the back from the region's professor. It just felt too much work for no payoff.

I just wanted to capture cool pokemon and make a versatile team that works off of each other so I can have a chance in the rare instances I played online.

 

[Smug Chuckler]

Am I the only one that never played these games to complete the pokedex? Maybe because there was no decent reward for it besides patting on the back from the region's professor. It just felt too much work for no payoff.

If you complete the hoenn dex in emerald you get a johto starter, other than that some stupid diploma that you can print.

 

[Dom Cruise]

Metroid 2's issue was just that it was on Gameboy, which is only an issue when you factor in Super Metroid coming out IMO. It was still better than original Metroid (which IMO is complete ass even for an NES game)

AM2R was just like really fucking good.

The original NES Metroid is indeed pretty ass, the lack of a map ruins it, I was pretty disappointed when I tried it.

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As for games this happened to. I've not seen Silent Hill mentioned. Silent Hill 4 was a huge turd when it released, but since then western devs and Konami turned the franchise into a cynical cash cow that completely misses the point. Now Silent Hill fans pretend 4 was an underappreciated classic, unironically praising things like unkillable enemies that damage you just by being in the same room as you, and a plot twist where a man thinks an apartment is his mother, because at least it's not SH Downcoming, HD Collection, or pachinko.


One that people generally agree on, Starfox Assault. I liked it at release, but it was hated by the fanbase because it was short, and on foot missions were a betrayal. Since then, the series have devolved so much (Command, Zero) that Assault is viewed as almost the last great Starfox game.

I never hated Silent Hill 4, it was always a pretty solid but flawed game, but it's really too bad that it now seems even better retroactively since it was the last "real" Silent Hill game.

What chaps my ass about SH4 is there's zero reason it had to come out only about a year after 3, it should have come out in 2005, giving the devs plenty of time to polish and improve the game and not have to reuse the same levels twice, so I totally blame Konami for the game's flaws and not Team Silent itself, they did the best they could given the timeframe I'm sure Konami gave them.

Hmm, okay, let me throw three to the ringer since everyone is doing and lets see if you guys agree/disagree

Bioshock 2

Arkham Origins

Bioshock 2 had its flaws, sure, but it was still a touching story with gameplay that surpasses the original's in my opinion. I still love 1 more but I think that calling 2 unworthy is just extremely unfair. Ironically or fittingly, depending on how you look at it, I find Bioshock Infinite preeeetty fucking overrated, the two gun slot shit really annoys me and the whole quantum physics oozes of the "intellectual" crowd that THINKS they know what they are talking about but they are as clueless as you as they hope you assume they know what they are talking about. You are free to disagree, of course.

Arkham Origins was more of City, sure, but Im a huge fan of the Arkham series so I never minded that much. Do I prefer Origins over City? No but I still consider it major part of the series thats worth playing. Feels good playing as a younger, inexperienced and quick to anger Batman. I guess I just dig these type of stories. My only issue was throwing Black Mask under the bus for more Joker when I really think he should have been a sidequest villain at most instead of a major one. Bane was done amazingly in Origins tho, no doubt his best in the series.

The trouble with Bioshock 2 is the story just doesn't give you much to chew on, as a game it's good but there's nothing even coming close to the first game's big twist, which is one of the main reasons why the first game became so legendary (no twist has ever freaked me out as much as that one, game or otherwise)

Bioshock Infinite is indeed very flawed, the big trouble with Infinite is that it's not at all an "immersive sim" ala System Shock, Deus Ex and the original Bioshock, it's just a typical FPS with a few "immersive sim" flavoring thrown in and nothing more.

Story wise though while the sci fi stuff in Infinite doesn't make a lot of sense, it's kind of chilling looking back on today with it's theme of an America stand in destroyed by a Marxist revolution happening thanks to racial tension, given all the shit that's happened since the game came out it seems very much like a Metal Gear Solid 2 situation (though not as much)

Bioshock 2's story has aged a little well to since it's also about a collectivist revolution being led by a lady with cat eye glasses, what does that make you think of? Basically real life turned into a Bioshock game these last several years lol.


Arkham Origins is a perfectly solid game I had a very good time with being a big fan of the Arkham series as well, yes the reused areas of the map are kind of lame but people overreacted way too much to that, it was still absolutely worth playing and I'm glad Arkham Knight had a homage to it establishing it as definitely canon.

And yes, Bane was very cool in Origins, there's some fun trivia for me as to who voiced Bane in that game, the actor also voiced a character in one of my favorite animes.

 

[The handsome tard]

The trouble with Bioshock 2 is the story just doesn't give you much to chew on, as a game it's good but there's nothing even coming close to the first game's big twist, which is one of the main reasons why the first game became so legendary (no twist has ever freaked me out as much as that one, game or otherwise)

Bioshock Infinite is indeed very flawed, the big trouble with Infinite is that it's not at all an "immersive sim" ala System Shock, Deus Ex and the original Bioshock, it's just a typical FPS with a few "immersive sim" flavoring thrown in and nothing more.

Story wise though while the sci fi stuff in Infinite doesn't make a lot of sense, it's kind of chilling looking back on today with it's theme of an America stand in destroyed by a Marxist revolution happening thanks to racial tension, given all the shit that's happened since the game came out it seems very much like a Metal Gear Solid 2 situation (though not as much)

Bioshock 2's story has aged a little well to since it's also about a collectivist revolution being led by a lady with cat eye glasses, what does that make you think of? Basically real life turned into a Bioshock game these last several years lol.


Arkham Origins is a perfectly solid game I had a very good time with being a big fan of the Arkham series as well, yes the reused areas of the map are kind of lame but people overreacted way too much to that, it was still absolutely worth playing and I'm glad Arkham Knight had a homage to it establishing it as definitely canon.

And yes, Bane was very cool in Origins, there's some fun trivia for me as to who voiced Bane in that game, the actor also voiced a character in one of my favorite animes.

Again, I didnt say that Bioshock 2 was perfect, the original is still the best to me but I did find the story pretty touching, even if it didnt have too many twists and turns. It was basic but there is nothing wrong with simplicity, I think the problem was that people had too many expectations that it would be a story that somehow surpassed the original when something like that would be very difficult so 2 didnt bother much...Infinite did try and kind of went a tad generic in my humble opinion. Besides drilling motherfuckers is highly satisfying, ngl.

And yeah, now that you bring it up, Bioshock 2 and Infinite did seem to foreshadow some current events disturbingly well...

The thing about Bane in Origins is that it felt the closest we got to a proper adaptation of comic bane, who is suppose to be a mixture of brain and muscles. I think its absurd so many Bane adaptations (bar TKR and Origins for the most part) make him just a dumb muscle or someone not given much consideration. Some will argue that him being a dumb muscle in Asylum and City was justified due to him being hooked on venom for so long but I kind of feel thats an excuse for the most part...but hey, at least Origins had an awesome boss fight with him that didnt include just throwing bat-rangs at his face when he charged you (In fact, it almost feels like they have done that to catch a veteran player off guard who will go for that strategy right away). He felt more imposing when he looked just a tall, muscular but normal looking man than the hulking muscle pile he became later on chronologically.

Just feels felt cartoonishly over the top

 

[X Pac Heat]

Arkham Origins is actually my favorite Arkham game, but I totally admit that it's because I have a weird fondness for Batman in Winter/Christmas setting due to Batman Returns being one of the first movies I can remember watching, and I didn't have any bugs when I played the game.

 

[Judge Dredd]

Metroid is a series that people talk about and hype up, wishing for new games, then no one buys them if they make one.

Let me stop you right there.

After Metroid Prime 3, fans pleaded for new Metroid Prime games. What did they get? Bobblehead laser football.

And after getting a shit on by the internet and failing to sell as many as previous games, Nintendo put Metroid on ice.

it's really too bad that it now seems even better retroactively since it was the last "real" Silent Hill game.

And ironically, I think it wasn't going to be a Silent Hill game until the last minute.

I thought Silent Hill: Origins was good too. I know lore people get annoyed by it, but it was fun to play.

 

[Smaug's Smokey Hole]

Let me stop you right there.

After Metroid Prime 3, fans pleaded for new Metroid Prime games. What did they get? Bobblehead laser football.

And after getting a shit on by the internet and failing to sell as many as previous games, Nintendo put Metroid on ice.

People have always wanted more Metriod, ever since the first one, then they get more Metroid and it doesn't sell that well. The Metroid Effect also applies to Igavanias and for all the talk I don't think a new Earthbound/Mother would sell that well in the west.