The new American right is worthless and is a failure by its own design.

Why does everything have to be "Us" vs "Them"? No one can have a simple conversation over anything political without mindless shit throwing like a bunch of monkeys.

I guess the meme of Reject Modernity Become Monkee is becoming reality.
 
It hasn't emerged yet. There's conservatives, MAGA which is conservative-lite, and sensible people who tend to sound more like National Socialists than anything but can't get into office because times are still too good. The conservative/MAGA factions will not stop believing in fairy tales until reality hits them hard enough.

Internet discourse matters very little other than proving there are "people like you". Until the sensible people can win elections (or force their way into power through other means) it's all just talk. Nobody's going to talk pedophiles out of power.
By national socialists I hope you don't mean Nazis. Trust me, those guys are anything but reasonable. And I can't stand them and their fucking obsession with race. It's anti-Christian. To quote a hero of mine:

"We know but one God: and that is not the State, or the Nation, or that elusive thing, Race."

If the Nazis are the "sensible right" then frankly I see no reason to put my weight behind either faction. Both are anti-clericalists who will one day oppress the one true Catholic Faith. But if you simply mean economic leftism (not full blown communism though) and social conservatism (something like what the Christian Right has more or less) then that I can totally get behind. Now as for the first point you made, which is that it has not emerged yet. I think that is half true. I think that the leaders of the New Right have already been born and are cutting their teeth as we speak.

As much as I hate to say it I think someone like Fuentes is in a good position in this regard. At the very least he is in a much better position than I am to act on my political ambitions. Which is frightening. I think that the future of the New Right is ultimately a choice between the ideas he embodies and the ideas I embody. In short, I think that the Right is going to abandon its color blindness for lack of a better term. In other words it will become as identarian as the Left is as civic nationalism is done away with.

My fear is that Fuentes and the remnants of the Alt-Right will come to co-opt this New Right and create an ideology which is both destructive and futile. The simple fact is that we, the Right, cannot afford to play the race card. Demographic projections show that America will cease to be majority white in the next few decades. If the Right wants to organize itself on the principle of white primacy as it seems Fuentes and others would have it do, the Right will essentially commit suicide. Not only that but the only avenue to power for such a movement would be violence.

However there is an alternative to racial identity politics: religious identity politics. While it is true that unfortunately Christianity will lose ground to atheism and some other religions by 2050, it is still projected to be about 2/3 of the country. An ecumenical Christian nationalism is frankly the only hope the Right has at this point. Christianity knows no race and no ethnicity. There are Christians of all skin colors. If this movement can successfully appeal to Latino Catholics, White Evangelicals, White Catholics, Mormons, and Black Christians as well as maybe some others then I think it has a solid chance of presenting itself as an alternative to the status quo. An America ruled by this coalition would have to be pluralist out of necessity. After all you have a great mix of faiths in this coalition from Protestants to Catholics to even non-Christians like Mormons. Not only that but also people of all social classes and all races. If any of these groups tried to impose their will on the others within then the whole thing would collapse. We'd have to learn to set aside our differences, at least in the political sphere, and work together to build a better and holier America.

I think it's possible but people like Fuentes threaten this vision. Rather than reach out to your hardworking Hispanic who prays the rosary daily or the Black minister who runs his local church, Fuentes is alienating them. He is driving them into the arms of the Left and dooming the country in the process. Regardless of how many times he says the gamer word or tells women to go back to the kitchen and make more babies White America is lost and there is no way to possibly restore it other than through violent purges of minorities which is a long shot, not to mention disgustingly immoral.

What the New Right needs is a Christian ethical foundation. And one that is not as perverted as what the current iteration of the Christian Right has. It also has to cross party lines in some sense. We need both Dorothy Day types and Billy Graham types. Otherwise it will essentially be no different from what we currently have. A lot of work needs to be done in this regard. If the Right goes down the path of racial identitarianism then America is lost. Someone needs to do something. But who that will be, I don't know.
 
Why does everything have to be "Us" vs "Them"? No one can have a simple conversation over anything political without mindless shit throwing like a bunch of monkeys.

I guess the meme of Reject Modernity Become Monkee is becoming reality.
It's a side effect of driving tribalism into any society or political system or diversity. When all are of one group even if there are warring factions, they can abide to unify and not be "us vs. them." The more diverse the more people will squabble over "My side should have more benefits and protections." You can see this effect in sex, race, age, etc. Feminism was the first true lead on to this regression and it's spiraled out of control since.
By national socialists I hope you don't mean Nazis. Trust me, those guys are anything but reasonable. And I can't stand them and their fucking obsession with race. It's anti-Christian. To quote a hero of mine:

"We know but one God: and that is not the State, or the Nation, or that elusive thing, Race."

If the Nazis are the "sensible right" then frankly I see no reason to put my weight behind either faction. Both are anti-clericalists who will one day oppress the one true Catholic Faith. But if you simply mean economic leftism (not full blown communism though) and social conservatism (something like what the Christian Right has more or less) then that I can totally get behind. Now as for the first point you made, which is that it has not emerged yet. I think that is half true. I think that the leaders of the New Right have already been born and are cutting their teeth as we speak.

As much as I hate to say it I think someone like Fuentes is in a good position in this regard. At the very least he is in a much better position than I am to act on my political ambitions. Which is frightening. I think that the future of the New Right is ultimately a choice between the ideas he embodies and the ideas I embody. In short, I think that the Right is going to abandon its color blindness for lack of a better term. In other words it will become as identarian as the Left is as civic nationalism is done away with.

My fear is that Fuentes and the remnants of the Alt-Right will come to co-opt this New Right and create an ideology which is both destructive and futile. The simple fact is that we, the Right, cannot afford to play the race card. Demographic projections show that America will cease to be majority white in the next few decades. If the Right wants to organize itself on the principle of white primacy as it seems Fuentes and others would have it do, the Right will essentially commit suicide. Not only that but the only avenue to power for such a movement would be violence.

However there is an alternative to racial identity politics: religious identity politics. While it is true that unfortunately Christianity will lose ground to atheism and some other religions by 2050, it is still projected to be about 2/3 of the country. An ecumenical Christian nationalism is frankly the only hope the Right has at this point. Christianity knows no race and no ethnicity. There are Christians of all skin colors. If this movement can successfully appeal to Latino Catholics, White Evangelicals, White Catholics, Mormons, and Black Christians as well as maybe some others then I think it has a solid chance of presenting itself as an alternative to the status quo. An America ruled by this coalition would have to be pluralist out of necessity. After all you have a great mix of faiths in this coalition from Protestants to Catholics to even non-Christians like Mormons. Not only that but also people of all social classes and all races. If any of these groups tried to impose their will on the others within then the whole thing would collapse. We'd have to learn to set aside our differences, at least in the political sphere, and work together to build a better and holier America.

I think it's possible but people like Fuentes threaten this vision. Rather than reach out to your hardworking Hispanic who prays the rosary daily or the Black minister who runs his local church, Fuentes is alienating them. He is driving them into the arms of the Left and dooming the country in the process. Regardless of how many times he says the gamer word or tells women to go back to the kitchen and make more babies White America is lost and there is no way to possibly restore it other than through violent purges of minorities which is a long shot, not to mention disgustingly immoral.

What the New Right needs is a Christian ethical foundation. And one that is not as perverted as what the current iteration of the Christian Right has. It also has to cross party lines in some sense. We need both Dorothy Day types and Billy Graham types. Otherwise it will essentially be no different from what we currently have. A lot of work needs to be done in this regard. If the Right goes down the path of racial identitarianism then America is lost. Someone needs to do something. But who that will be, I don't know.
I think the problem is in a similar vain as these other racial groups and ethnic groups become more tribal and vindictive towards other groups uniting by race will be inevitable just as it was in the earliest days of man. As a person who has always had a ton of minority friends it was a bitter thought I came to realize as well. Most groups (sexually not just racially, etc.) will benefit their own, and it keeps people on egg shells realizing another group might sabotage you merely due to in group preference.

The whole problem with identity "religious" politics is most in religions don't agree with each other and due to "false prophets" such as warned in Christianity one would have to be weary who they follow Many racial identitarians are also race hustlers as well never forget that. Also I'd have to disagree with "Christianity knows no skin color" claim, tribes are very well spoke about in the bible and made very aware of. When god interprets humans we are as equally below God, but that doesn't mean in comparison there are no differences or tribality qualities. There would have been no reason for the Jews to kill people when wondering for many years had God foresaw all people as the same or that no group is God's "Chosen" people.

See even when Christians spread their message and adopt people into their religion they don't get along and tribalism still exists. Mexico is heavily catholic and yet many still have tribalistic qualms about the USA or the people living in it, and let's not mention race relations with black people.

Fuentes didn't drive those people away, those people already had tribal ideas if they embraced them, it's the difference between being on the line and being realistic about it while being able to live with outsiders, and those who were planning or already were tribal and just lying to you about it. If one person made them do that, then they were like that all along. Truthfully. In regards to race, the bible did not want people to allow enemy tribes to destroy other tribes, nothing is immoral about removing enemies who wish your downfall because if the minorities become a majority and pure white americans, then it would be ignored to be aware of those with bad intentions. Christianity talks about forgiveness in lighter offenses, genocide is not one of them.

I hate to say it but identitariasm of race will be the future either way, thanks to people being so afraid of it in the first place. When you ignore the truth, whether it be god, reality, whatever will destroy or punish those who ignore that truth until it is acknowledged. It's whether whites want to cease to exist, and unlike many who claim it is "unjust" I will not let other groups remove me via schemes. That would be immoral to allow such suffering and immoral to allow such groups to do that with no repercussions.
 
The only thing OP is even remotely right about is how Trump was a terrible president. And he probably thinks "simping for Russia" means not crying over every fake Ukrainian sob story like when they go full Palestinian and turn their hospitals and "civilian" buildings into valid targets. He probably doesn't even know why anyone would think Russia isn't literally Hitlermort.

Everything else proves he's the epitome of this meme:
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I'm not even going to bother explaining it for him. You have to be ignorant beyond belief to hold views like that. Because guess what, everyone who disagrees with your enlightened "centrism" isn't doing it out of contrarianism.
SJW or what ever you want to call it is not a political movement but modern culture and the right is confused also scared how to fight it. ( the pill, gay marriage, ect can you even name a thing the right stopped?) Like the memes are funny and fun but the left wing memes succeed buy coming off as SmArT or tugging at peoples emotions. Also left wing politics really appealing to young people especially young woman. Then alot of young guys see what woman like and support it. (young guys 15 to 23 are natural simps) If you want to fight SJW culture is to let it run its course. AKA et it ruin society and the right can rebuild it. Sorry for my grammar I am tired from work and don't care.
This is very true, because the right doesn't actually know how to fight a culture war. That's why they've ceded ground for 50 years on every single issue and the only "alternative culture" they made that went anywhere is the one that gave us such cultural landmarks like Christian rock and Kirk Cameron movies. Meanwhile, the Left has a century-old playbook for this (thanks Gramsci). A large part of it is because they refuse to believe that capitalism might be working against them, since they've reduced their enemies to a bunch of capitalism-hating commies. Parallel societies won't work because they'll either corrupt them or outlaw them, because they have all the power. You are the Indians who just want to left alone, and the left is the US government ready to herd you onto the reservation where you will live as THEY tell you to.

There is no way to fight a big government ran by people who hate you, other than to chip away at the power of that government and seize control over it via revolution. Wonder why anarchism or any sort of communism that doesn't call for a big government never succeeded? Because people like Lenin understood it as truth that an oppressive state can only be crushed via the violent force a strong government exerts.
 
A large part of it is because they refuse to believe that capitalism might be working against them
Corporate capitalism is communism but retards on both sides don't get it. Business should be controlled by the state, not the other way around. Lots of people are under the illusion that the state has been shutting down small businesses and shipping our jobs overseas. No, that's their corporate masters eliminating the competition.

You can't eliminate corruption, graft, and nepotism from the system but with a strong national identity you smooth those things over. Rather than the "everyone for himself, you can get rich beyond your wildest dreams if you're prepared to screw everyone" identity we've been fed for decades, we need an identity centered around "good for my family, good for business, good for the state". National socialism or something like it. We're so atomized and disconnected from the people around us and the world we live in. We have to have a really strong philosophy based on togetherness.

Religion and race are a part of this. Like it or not. Humans are naturally tribal. We don't believe the other tribes are as human as we are. We don't have to become a 100% ethnically pure country but we do have to remove all persons who can't get along in a national socialist system.

It's the work of generations to rebuild America and produce an actual national identity and not some bullshit based on what the (((TV))) told us. Probably a lot of people will be uncomfortable with "racist Christians" running things but oh fucking well. When things get bad enough they'll fall in line. Millions joined the Nazi party out of political convenience, they weren't true believers. It's not necessary for everyone to be a true believer. Only the people in the middle and enough people at the top.
 
The only thing OP is even remotely right about is how Trump was a terrible president. And he probably thinks "simping for Russia" means not crying over every fake Ukrainian sob story like when they go full Palestinian and turn their hospitals and "civilian" buildings into valid targets. He probably doesn't even know why anyone would think Russia isn't literally Hitlermort.
Reminder. ^ This user is a known pedo.
 
The only problem I see is lack of moralization is why we're in the shit creek we're in. Doesn't have to be evangelical's but moralization and agreement upon those morals is severely lacking in today's society which is an issue something something slippery slope. 4. The adults who work may integrate well, but their children are often some of the worst criminal scumbags that society protects I've ever seen let alone welfare leeches who are the exact issue that the right has with them from personal experience, they're not the benevolent group they're painted as or drummed up to be. "They're just sincere workers." Uhuh sure. Also the fact they can be easily manipulated to vote in bad interests makes them a bad group to court in all seriousness.

Edit: Also in regards to the kids picking on White children is is going to lead to racial conflicts and going to start bringing up more race-conflicts by that metric.
One thing that everyone here on this site needs to understand is that normies don't visit "extremist" places like Kiwi Farms and 4chan so they are almost oblivious to the truth of nearly every situation. From their point of view, all immigrants, including the "undocumented" ones, are kind-hearted people who just wanted a better life for their family. This is why calls for closing or securing the borders are seen as acts of cruelty and selfishness and that the idea of immigrants having a higher criminality rates is a myth created by racists to justify their hatred towards good and kind-hearted immigrants. You can apply this logic to a lot of other minorities like blacks and trans folks.

Personally I'm of the believe that the high criminality among children is due their desire to move up the social ladder while having very few opportunities to do so. If your only career options are to go to university or become a fruit-picker like their parents, then is it really no surprise that one would choose to become career criminal to earn the respect and money that they so deserve?
 
The only thing OP is even remotely right about is how Trump was a terrible president. And he probably thinks "simping for Russia" means not crying over every fake Ukrainian sob story like when they go full Palestinian and turn their hospitals and "civilian" buildings into valid targets. He probably doesn't even know why anyone would think Russia isn't literally Hitlermort.

Everything else proves he's the epitome of this meme:
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I'm not even going to bother explaining it for him. You have to be ignorant beyond belief to hold views like that. Because guess what, everyone who disagrees with your enlightened "centrism" isn't doing it out of contrarianism.

This is very true, because the right doesn't actually know how to fight a culture war. That's why they've ceded ground for 50 years on every single issue and the only "alternative culture" they made that went anywhere is the one that gave us such cultural landmarks like Christian rock and Kirk Cameron movies. Meanwhile, the Left has a century-old playbook for this (thanks Gramsci). A large part of it is because they refuse to believe that capitalism might be working against them, since they've reduced their enemies to a bunch of capitalism-hating commies. Parallel societies won't work because they'll either corrupt them or outlaw them, because they have all the power. You are the Indians who just want to left alone, and the left is the US government ready to herd you onto the reservation where you will live as THEY tell you to.

There is no way to fight a big government ran by people who hate you, other than to chip away at the power of that government and seize control over it via revolution. Wonder why anarchism or any sort of communism that doesn't call for a big government never succeeded? Because people like Lenin understood it as truth that an oppressive state can only be crushed via the violent force a strong government exerts.

How so? I've been consistently pro-Trump in the past.
 
The problem with the right is that it has no clue what to do. Any institutional change will take decades to bear fruit and will be stalled constantly by the opposition.
Any "vote through you wallet" wouldn't work since the white middle aged working man is no longer the target demographic of any product, but his wife and children. Not to mention corpos are so strong nowadays they can eat a hit like Disney losing 300M$ on pedo movie with no visible effect.
Voting doesn't work since, besides specific areas, the only people who'll reach the top are the centrists.
What's left is violence, but the average right winger has too much to lose to risk his life and freedom for something that will be memoryholed.

And all that without the problem with unity and organization in the right wing. People constantly fighting on "all the jews fault", accusations of grifting/fedposting.

It's just a fucked situation.
 
The problem with the right isn't contrarianism. It's half measures. It's ceding ground. That's always been the right's biggest issue, it gives juuuust enough way to progressive types to "seem reasonable". But they're not fighting reasonable people, or a reasonable way of life: they're fighting things that rely on emotional thinking. You can't reason with some noegg mid 40's career woman or some richkid soypod commie. Better people have tried and failed.

Now where does this leave us all? Up shit creek, at least until things get worse. While things are relatively good the hylic minded sort will still think and vote with their emotions, they won't question things, they'll just continue to do the Acceptable Thing with Acceptable Thoughts. But when things get worse you'll see that tune change real quick.
 
The clearest example of the online right’s dedication to contrarianism is the mask issue. At the beginning of the pandemic when the government & media claimed that masks don’t work, /pol/tards were pretty much all saying the opposite. “If you haven’t already bought thousands of N95s then you’re simply ngmi” and so forth. Then, as soon as the media narrative shifted, the /pol/ narrative shifted just as quickly. Suddenly masks didn’t work and wearing one was the ultimate sign of cuckoldry to the State.

Notice that both the mainstream position and the dissident right position changed without any new evidence being introduced. The actual evidence was irrelevant to both narratives. I’m not making an argument about whether or not masks work here btw, I’m only pointing out how quickly narratives change irrespective of the facts.

Most people don’t bother working out first principles to guide their beliefs and actions, they operate on a purely reactive level. I’m not saying this in some lame solipsistic sense as if everyone but me is an NPC, I’m just as likely to fall into this trap as anyone else. Combine this with the emergence of (anti)social media + the tendency to treat politics as a game of sportsball and polarization becomes inevitable. Pretty much everyone already recognizes this problem but I’m not sure anything can be done about it at this point.
 
One thing that everyone here on this site needs to understand is that normies don't visit "extremist" places like Kiwi Farms and 4chan so they are almost oblivious to the truth of nearly every situation. From their point of view, all immigrants, including the "undocumented" ones, are kind-hearted people who just wanted a better life for their family. This is why calls for closing or securing the borders are seen as acts of cruelty and selfishness and that the idea of immigrants having a higher criminality rates is a myth created by racists to justify their hatred towards good and kind-hearted immigrants. You can apply this logic to a lot of other minorities like blacks and trans folks.

Personally I'm of the believe that the high criminality among children is due their desire to move up the social ladder while having very few opportunities to do so. If your only career options are to go to university or become a fruit-picker like their parents, then is it really no surprise that one would choose to become career criminal to earn the respect and money that they so deserve?
Well from knowing and being best friends for a period of time with one of those kinds of kids, that wasn't their motive. To be hones the kid I knew was just a total sociopath, stealing creditcard numbers from some of our other friends who he was best friends with irl while me and him were just friends online and he was always laughing about it and became a pathological liar to the point nobody in our original friend group want anything to do with him myself included. He even stole from some kid who had been molested as a child and would often bring it up behind his back.

The other thing is, they don't need to visit KWF to develop these ideas, I used to be a normie many years ago, but exposure to these children has changed me and there are countless others in society exposed to Hispanic children that are starting to change. I've talked to many modern kids and many white children I've encountered despise Hispanic and black children because of their actions with a passion. One kid I knew was kicked in the head when a black kid stole his phone and left him with permanent brain damage and a major concussion to where he has permanent short term memory loss. One kid I talked to was a 13 year old boy who told me he had to learn to beat up minority children because of how they'd group up on white kids and even almost broke two kids arms who were again hispanic. One white girl who's a sister of a friend told me black girls wouldn't stop harassing her because of her looks.

This isn't merely trying to climb up a social latter, and the more they do this the more those who aren't brainwashed fogies (and even some who are) are going to realize they despise minorities. The kid who was 13 told me he utterly hated them from his experiences, just think of that, and that's without their encounters with the LGBTQ and freakazoid pedos.

What will happen is a schism between their parents if they remain naïve and stupid and the new age children, and if they continue to act that way they may lose any care by and from their children and to be honest normies deserve it by not having any self-preservation for their children.
 
I’d say the same for the whole Western New Rights. As you said, they haven’t a solid ideological structure aside “going against”, their voting base is substantially politically illiterate and this can’t work.
It’s a mess overall.
 
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But the only question is when did the American right start to head in this direction because things like this don't happened out of nowhere were they always like this or did something happen a long time ago to make them going this direction my question is when did this all start?
 
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