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Who are you rooting for in Super Bowl 60?

  • New England Patriots

    Votes: 11 22.0%

  • Seattle Seahawks

    Votes: 25 50.0%

  • Team State Farm

    Votes: 1 2.0%

  • The Meteor

    Votes: 13 26.0%
  • Total voters
    50
  • Poll closed .
break these cuffs said:
The NFL provides an objective way to measure winners and losers. The only other prominent head coach and GM combos that come to mind for me are Lombardi and Walsh. Combined they have as many championships as Bill does alone. You cannot separate Bill as a coach or a GM because he was both. He had the responsibilities of both. Nobody has won won as much as a coach or a GM as he has and he did it as both at the same time. It's insane.


So his poor evaluation of Tom won him 6 Super Bowls? No other correct decision by a coach or GM has won them 6 championships. Most franchises don't have that. I guess I'll take Bill's incorrect evaluation over everyone else's. He made a correct decision where literally every other GM in the league made the wrong one.
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And yet it’s still true that as a head coach Belichick had no success before or after Brady.

Let’s put it this way: what would Belichick’s career look like if Brady never played for the Patriots?

Señora Airi said:
Yeah it's not like he had one of the greatest TEs, two of the greatest WRs of the 2010s, two of the better RBs from the 2010s, as well as Ndamukong Suh and JPP on that team
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How many Super Bowls did the Bucs win in the 5 seasons before Brady arrived?
 
Quence said:
How many Super Bowls did the Bucs win in the 5 seasons before Brady arrived?
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Señora Airi said:
Yeah it's not like he had one of the greatest TEs, two of the greatest WRs of the 2010s, two of the better RBs from the 2010s, as well as Ndamukong Suh and JPP on that team
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To be fair by the time of Brady signing, only two of those things were true.
 
Franz Joseph said:
Right, I didn't know Barry McCockiner was on the Farms.
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Barry would be very much on the opposite side of the Brady fan ITT, being Tom's #1 internet hater. Expect autistic analysis of Brady's playoff stats and Super Bowl 53 in particular.
Really though, I'm with @Drama Fan in that attempting to separate the two is fruitless, they accomplished something together never before seen in the league, taking up the majority of both of their careers, and nitpicking who was really behind it is just looking a gift horse in the mouth.
 
break these cuffs said:
I am an ardent Belichik hater and am more than happy to point to his non-Brady record as I am to the crazy ass gold digger who bilking him out of tens of millions of dollars and smug shitty press conferences even as he was losing. The fact remains that he has the sustained success to claim that title and the Super Bowls that came with it. Winning is what matters in the NFL and he has done it.

You can hypothetical nearly everything in the NFL because it takes so much coming together to from roster construction and game preparation to the on the field performance. A lot of things had to go right for the Patriot's Dynasty. As the general manager and head coach, Bill was a position to make those correct decisions. For example: drafting Tom Brady.
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Belichick is one of those dudes who understands football at such a fundamentally technical that it requires a certain type of player to understand WTF he means when he's talking about it. A great example is his 10 minute diatribe on long snappers (See below). There's a HUGE difference between the words he's saying and the meaning behind those words, and only a select few could ever really get it. Tom Brady was one, and history ensues. People like to shit on BB with "Well, he sucked without Tom and Tom won a Superbowl in Tampa", but I doubt Tom is a quarter of the player he is without BB. And visa versa, the Patriots//BB don't have multiple dynasties without the QB who was able to communicate so effectively with BB.
Drama Fan said:
Please give me more fat man picks.
The NFL tricked me into thinking this happened today
fat man interception.mp4
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Alexa, play B.J. Raji's pick-6 against the Bears, in Chicago, during the NFC Championship game.
I'm gonna need to run to the store and grab cigawettes.
W00K #17 said:
Are we really doing the 'is Brady truly an all timer?' thing right now?

Have I time travelled back to 2013?
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Well, if we're gonna go there, I'm gonna say it. Peyton Manning is the better QB.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I'm joking and extremely biased. Peyton went to UT (the real UT, not that faggy Texas with the shitty burnt orange UT. I'm take that sweet, sweet, Volunteer Orange, Pantone 151, UT) and played for the Colts who curb stomped the Titans twice a year forever. He'd have won more if his defenses weren't so awful for the majority of the time, or someone who properly replaced Tony Dungy because Jim Caldwell is/was a BUM.

There, I said it. The truth finally comes out.
 
Quence said:
I was thinking that Burrow might end up like Andrew Luck - super talented but so battered and bruised due to incompetent offensive lines that he ends up retiring early.


Oh? What were Belichik"s numbers like before Tom Brady and after Tom Brady?

We know that Brady went on to win a Super Bowl with Tampa Bay.
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Quence said:
And yet it’s still true that as a head coach Belichick had no success before or after Brady.

Let’s put it this way: what would Belichick’s career look like if Brady never played for the Patriots?
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He would have had the same smothering defense, but with Drew Bledsoe as QB.

2001 6th rank defense.
2003 1st rank defense.
2004 2nd rank defense.
2014 8th rank defense.
2016 1st rank defense.
2018 7th rank defense.

In Tampa, Brady had the 8th rank defense on the Bucs, because the Bucs had a great defense and just needed a QB who didn't turn the ball over 42 fucking times. He also had the 5th rank defense the following year and shit the bed. Almost like the QB isn't the only important part of a team.

Don't know why you have this hate boner for BB. You gonna shit on Nolls, Landry, and Jimmy Johnson because they didn't do shit without their star QB, too?


And fuck you for making me defend the fucking Patriots, you cunt.
 
CapricornusRex said:
He would have had the same smothering defense, but with Drew Bledsoe as QB.

2001 6th rank defense.
2003 1st rank defense.
2004 2nd rank defense.
2014 8th rank defense.
2016 1st rank defense.
2018 7th rank defense.

In Tampa, Brady had the 8th rank defense on the Bucs, because the Bucs had a great defense and just needed a QB who didn't turn the ball over 42 fucking times. He also had the 5th rank defense the following year and shit the bed. Almost like the QB isn't the only important part of a team.

Don't know why you have this hate boner for BB. You gonna shit on Nolls, Landry, and Jimmy Johnson because they didn't do shit without their star QB, too?


And fuck you for making me defend the fucking Patriots, you cunt.
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I don't understand how people can compare the guy who managed the roster and the team for almost 20 years to the guy just playing QB. BB did a 2 person, sometimes 3 person job better than everyone else in the league for years. He was responsible for virtually everything on the team, including the offense Brady ran. He had a hand in everything and deserves all the credit. Robert Kraft is pulling a Jerry Jones and is being ungrateful to the one person who gave him all his success. Brady doesn't deserve a statue, BB is the only person from their dynasty that truly deserves it.

It’s not even close, and its hard to take people seriously even when they try to give Brady half credit. BB would've been successful anywhere, we saw that in Cleveland before Modell (one of the worst owners in NFL history) rug pulled the season and fired everyone during the move. Brady would've been out of the league in 3 years if he went anywhere else but the Patriots. It was BBs defenses giving opponents fits for decades, even before he was a head coach. It was his defenses constantly giving fits to every QB and offense in his era. He is the reason there was no Steelers, Colts or Chargers dynasties in the 2000s. He was the reason Andy Reid was seen as a 2nd tier Hall of Fame HC because he couldn't beat BB in the playoffs. He was the reason they won so many division titles and went to so many championship games. We've seen so many good QBs fail to do most of this because football is more than a QB. You need the whole team and coaching staff to be great and BB was the one in control.
 
Dildo_SHwaggins said:
It’s not even close, and its hard to take people seriously even when they try to give Brady half credit. BB would've been successful anywhere, we saw that in Cleveland before Modell (one of the worst owners in NFL history) rug pulled the season and fired everyone during the move.
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My only caveat is BB would be successful anywhere as long as he has sufficient control. There are reasons that all of his proteges crashed/burned whenever they left the Patriots and I think it's due in large part to the fact that BB managed damn near everything in that organization. If BB went to a team like Dallas, I don't think he's been nearly as successful for obvious reasons. The Cowboy will always have Jerruh's fingerprints all over them instead of their head coach, no matter of Vince Lombardi rose from his grave and took the helm.

For example, BB didn't need to communicate the type of player he wanted to a GM because he was the GM. His coordinators and assistants didn't succeed in New England because they were innovative masterminds, they'd succeed because they knew how to interpret and convey what BB wanted. Don't get me wrong. That's definitely a valuable skill, but it so niche because being able to successfully interact with BB is only useful if it involves interacting with BB. That's a skill that doesn't necessarily translate well when BB is such a unique mind. None of them were prepared to communicate with anyone other than BB, which doesn't work when you leave the Patriots.

Where it went kinda downhill for BB was just the nature of adapting with another, new generation of football operations and tactics along with the players. Having an elite 5-year stint is miraculous for anyone, but he did it for damn near 20 years, which is insane. Obv, Brady was there the entire time so people are always going to flock with success being in that direction, but BB deserves so much credit for not only being 'competitive' but establishing another fucking dynasty. It's why I put guys like BB and Andy Reid in the SSS God tier of football because it's damn near impossible to put together a good program once, but they've done it multiple times.
 
Only because he had to face Tom Brady in the Super Bowl, but not because he had to face Bill Belichick in the Super Bowl.
 
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