The NFL Thread - Root for your favorite team (or laugh at the Browns, whichever's easier)

Who are you rooting for in Super Bowl 60?

  • New England Patriots

    Votes: 11 22.0%

  • Seattle Seahawks

    Votes: 25 50.0%

  • Team State Farm

    Votes: 1 2.0%

  • The Meteor

    Votes: 13 26.0%
  • Total voters
    50
  • Poll closed .
VasonJoorhees said:
I get that he was a handoff merchant and cheater in college but this dude is playing worse than anyone else in the league by a lot.
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What I never really saw brought up during draft evals was that JJMC had 3 losses as a starter during his whole career.

He was on a superteam at IMG during high school and on a superteam at UMich. He doesn't have any experience being on a losing team and certainly does not have any experience being the sole reason why his team lost.

He is holding on to the ball way too long, throwing late and throwing off-platform, his mechanics are shit even when he's not pressured. He's inside his own head. I don't think this ever showed up at practice otherwise KOC wouldn't have been glazing him so hard.

They have to keep playing him to see what he has because they need to decide if they take his fifth year option, so buckle up.
 
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Oh thank god. They found either a Cabela’s gift card large enough or Shiela got him that FFL license that let’s him basically have anything smaller than a nuke.
 
Froggy Fresh Sextape said:
The discourse around Shedeur has been insane and I have no idea what set it off.
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The media keeps over-hyping him because they're buddies with his father (looking at you, Rich Eisen), and when the attention surrounding him became completely out of whack with his actual skills, he presented to NFL teams a new iteration of the Kaepernick dilemma:

What do you do with a QB who has pro potential, but the discourse around him is such a distraction against potential that isn't necessarily starter level?

In Kaep's case, the answer was easy - soft blacklist. The league kept lowballing the guy on contract offers or didn't pick up the phone. He made it even easier for them with the constant media antics, his girlfriend calling the Ravens owner a slaver like two days before he was set to put pen to paper with them, and then sabotaging his own tryout in Atlanta to go fuck around on a nearby high school field. By the end (particularly that tryout nonsense), it was clear even Kaep didn't want to play pro ball anymore, there was more money to be made as an aggrieved victim of NFL racism.

But Kaep actually got his shot as a starter, people saw his pro-level ability. Shedeur is a wild card. So the league's response was to let a dude with a combination of skills and potential worthy of a day 2 pick fall to day 3, and even then I still believe that was an owner-made pick, not the Browns FO changing their mind hours after drafting Gabriel. And the draft day fall compared to his media hype was enough to get the race grifters on board, which led to the resultant counter-jerk, so now you have two camps re: Shedeur, almost equally divorced from reality:

A) Shedeur is a noodle-armed Travis Hunter merchant who takes a jillion sacks and only got hype because of daddy, being resorted to by a coaching staff that has no other options and doesn't seem to really want him either,
B) Shedeur is a confident black man in a league that hates confident black men as their QBs (I assume this camp is not familiar with Cam Newton) and is being sabotaged by a racist huwhite coach out of spite.

The enlightened middle ground path is that the dude has potential, probably won't ever see it fulfilled between the media distraction around him and lol Browns, and good luck to him I guess.
 
Dragged Into Sunlight said:
Brosmer getting the start. I'm calling it now that he looks great andnit's going to be a Purdy situation.

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I don't think he'll look great per say but it's near impossible to do as bad as McCarthy has been doing, so either way it should be an enjoyable watch. If Darnold takes a belt to our ass it will just press the Kwesi being a garbage GM issue further and hopefully seal his fate and get him fired.
 
VasonJoorhees said:
I don't think he'll look great per say but it's near impossible to do as bad as McCarthy has been doing, so either way it should be an enjoyable watch. If Darnold takes a belt to our ass it will just press the Kwesi being a garbage GM issue further and hopefully seal his fate and get him fired.
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Didn't they just extend him in April? Although usually the money doesn't matter but the optics of firing a black GM probably do, just like why Grier stayed around so long.
 
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I saw the reply out of context and wondered who they were comparing to John Wayne Gacy. It was Kyler Murray. Got a good laugh at the level of haterism on display
 
VasonJoorhees said:
I don't think he'll look great per say but it's near impossible to do as bad as McCarthy has been doing, so either way it should be an enjoyable watch. If Darnold takes a belt to our ass it will just press the Kwesi being a garbage GM issue further and hopefully seal his fate and get him fired.
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The Vikings were never going to retain Darnold. For the same reason why they didn't retain Kirk Cousins (though Kirk's age probably played a much bigger factor for him). Their current cap structure practically required them to have a rookie contract under center or at least a QB who didn't warrant a giant contract. I know Kwesi deserves some shit, but you also have to look at the broader picture of this team. Vikings have never really had success with draft and developing QBs over the course of their franchise history, but the free agent signings also had failed in getting them to the Super Bowl.

They had a high draft pick in 2024 in a draft class loaded with QB talent. With what I mentioned above, it seemed like the perfect opportunity to finally turn the ship around and get a franchise QB that they could seriously build around for the long term. McCarthy still has time to turn things around before being written off completely as a bust. Whether or not it will happen is another thing.

Speaking of which, a Vikings fan had the perfect plan on how to fix McCarthy:
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俺たちファームズでノッテる said:
People are way too quick to write off QB talent. McCarthy can very easily turn things around and everybody in this thread will act like the believed in him all along just like Daniel Jones.
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Thats the funniest thing about this whole situation. The people lambasting the Vikings for starting JJ McCarthy are the same people who are lamenting that they let go Sam Darnold and Daniel Jones. The same thing will probably happen to JJ. The Vikings will cut their losses in a couple years, he'll go to a properly run team that isn't about to be in cap hell, with a coach who isnt trying to save his job by forcing him to start. It may not seem like he's in it now but if JJ doesnt work out O'Connell will be.

Brett Kollman recently just did a video about the QB pipeline to the NFL and why most QBs struggle coming out of college. Most people bloviating about this topic dont actually realize how different the college game is, thus, how difficult it is for QB's to adapt. Im not saying McCarthy's perfect but if I include my cock, I can count the number of starts he's had on one hand (6). Can we wait another season at least before labeling him a bust? Just look at CJ Stroud, his first year looked elite, 2 seasons later and he's looking like a bum.

 
LordofCringe7206 Vol. 2 said:
McCarthy still has time to turn things around before being written off completely as a bust
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Yeah, he's got five games (and then, probably, next preseason)

Justin Jefferson is being surprisingly chill about this right now but you know how WRs are. He's got his eyes on a gold jacket and I don't think he will be very happy about another McCarthy developmental season.
 
FootballBuff said:
The people lambasting the Vikings for starting JJ McCarthy are the same people who are lamenting that they let go Sam Darnold and Daniel Jones. The same thing will probably happen to JJ.
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It's hard to compare those situations. Darnold and Jones were let got by shit teams and were maligned and scapegoated to some degree for their teams' failures despite them being shit teams with shit owners and bad rosters which continue to be shit teams. JJ's got a solid team that we know can win games with a competent QB. He could develop into one, and maybe being a starter helps him develop faster, but the Vikings bet the house on him being good this year after they went 14-3 last year, and for this year he's very obviously not having a good time (and consequently neither is the team).

I'd agree that I wouldn't count him out yet, but I can see why some reactionaries are especially when those 6 starts have happened over a season and a half of him being the presumptive starter
 
Drama Fan said:
I'd agree that I wouldn't count him out yet, but I can see why some reactionaries are especially when those 6 starts have happened over a season and a half of him being the presumptive starter
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Well yes, if youre expecting JJ to be the next Payton Manning or Andrew Luck (or even Drake Maye for that matter) then youre going to be disappointed. Especially throwing him into the fire like this. I actually wanted the Lions to take JJ as a successor to Goff eventually, ala the Chiefs with Mahomes and Alex Smith or the Packers with their last 2 Franchise QB's. He needed time to develop, and you have the time with him being so young. So that would have been the perfect scenario for him. But like Brett said in his video, its unrealistic to just expect these guys to come in and instantly have a grasp of the pro game and be ready to dominate it, especially if you dont necessarily have the legs to make plays when the pocket collapses like Jayden Daniels or Lamar Jackson do.
 
FootballBuff said:
Thats the funniest thing about this whole situation. The people lambasting the Vikings for starting JJ McCarthy are the same people who are lamenting that they let go Sam Darnold and Daniel Jones. The same thing will probably happen to JJ.
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JJ has been historically bad. Bottom of lists going back to 2000 bad. I got shit to do, so I'm gonna just let Brett and EJ talk.
tldw: Whoever called JJ a handoff merchant in college is 100% right and it left him ill-prepared for the NFL. I'm not saying he's done in the NFL, but he is currently a detriment to the team and continuing to start him will only have stacking negative effects.
 
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