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ToroidalBoat said:
And when they did appear it could be not as themselves. Like Takei as that Japanese game show host.
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Keep in mind that for major celebrities, doing voices in cartoons was considered kinda taboo and career-ruining, not just for animated sitcoms but also for A-list movies. For the former, it's for this reason why Dustin Hoffman used a pseudonym in his guest appearance in Season 2 of the Simpsons, and for the latter why most Disney movies prior to the mid-90's used voice actors who were relatively unknown as opposed to just throwing in Seth Rogen, Jack Black, and Dwayne Johnson for ever fucking movie.

Back then, it was difficult for Simpsons producers to get real celebrities for cameos, and if you look at the history of certain episodes, it's intriguing to see how they planned to originally cast specific actors but they turned it down. Some good examples are Marge vs. the Monorail: William Shatner was the original planned guest, but he declined. They asked George Takei, but he declined -- because he thought the monorail plot was offensive to public transportation (what a faggot). Finally, they settled for their 3rd pick Star Trek actor and got Leonard Nimoy. Also the episode Krusty Gets Kancelled: that episode took so long to complete because the original slated celebrity cameos kept backing out or just declining outright. Before they got RHCP, they asked the Rolling Stones but they declined. Later in Homerpalooza, Peter Frampton's role was originally supposed to be for either Bob Dylan or Neil Young, but both declined outright.
 
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Michael Jacks0n said:
Keep in mind that for major celebrities, doing voices in cartoons was considered kinda taboo and career-ruining, not just for animated sitcoms but also for A-list movies. For the former, it's for this reason why Dustin Hoffman used a pseudonym in his guest appearance in Season 2 of the Simpsons, and for the latter why most Disney movies prior to the mid-90's used voice actors who were relatively unknown as opposed to just throwing in Seth Rogen, Jack Black, and Dwayne Johnson for ever fucking movie.

Back then, it was difficult for Simpsons producers to get real celebrities for cameos, and if you look at the history of certain episodes, it's intriguing to see how they planned to originally cast specific actors but they turned it down. Some good examples are Marge vs. the Monorail: William Shatner was the original planned guest, but he declined. They asked George Takei, but he declined -- because he thought the monorail plot was offensive to public transportation (what a faggot). Finally, they settled for their 3rd pick Star Trek actor and got Leonard Nimoy. Also the episode Krusty Gets Kancelled: that episode took so long to complete because the original slated celebrity cameos kept backing out or just declining outright. Before they got RHCP, they asked the Rolling Stones but they declined. Later in Homerpalooza, Peter Frampton's role was originally supposed to be for either Bob Dylan or Neil Young, but both declined outright.
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Takei was always a retard?
 
Hazel Motes said:
Takei was always a retard?
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Always has been. Even before he was a tremendous Twitter faggot, he was just a washed-up one-trick pony who existed as a celebrity solely off milking his Star Trek character. Name any major production he's ever done that wasn't Star Trek or Star Trek-adjacent (such as cameos or references in other media to his Sulu character somehow). At least with Nimoy, he's done a lot of voiceovers and narration for various things, and Shatner has had roles in TV and movies for things completely unrelated to Captain Kirk. DeForest Kelley was actually a somewhat successful western actor prior to being Dr. McCoy. Sadly, James Doohan, Walter Koenig, and Nichelle Nichols never went on to do anything major either aside from cashing in on their OG fandom status. Any time you'd see any of them in further media, it was almost exclusively as a gag to make references to their Star Trek roles.

As for Takei, he's also done nothing of value since playing Sulu, and was only able to find success from milking his character for hungry nerds, and eventually somehow getting on Howard Stern Show as a proto-lolcow because he's a queer old Asian who admittedly likes to fuck little boys. Now he just tweets on autopilot and says the dumbest shit imaginable to the delight of NPC leftards.
 
ToroidalBoat said:
And when they did appear it could be not as themselves. Like Takei as that Japanese game show host.

And the show wasn't like "HEY LOOK FAMOUS CELEBRITY" with a soy face.
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iirc Takei was a regular guest on the show when they needed Asian Guy going back to the sushi joint that Homer almost died from

and yes, afaik, Takei has always been a bleeding heart lib
 
Tootsie Bear said:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=q6oRzSaxjyE
I don't have anything to say. This is just beating a dead horse now.
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Despite writing some positive posts on the South Park thread the newest season has underwhelmed me to an extent. I'm annoyed how the newest South Parks basically have only simplistic A-Plots, and the writing has really gone so lazy that they repeat the same joke over and over again which South Park always did to an extent but the new jokes lack the absurdity of South Parks back.

Nothing like seeing a clip of Post-Zombie Simpsons to make me appreciate even half assed South Park. Jesus christ where are the jokes?

And Homer is now written to be so mentally inept that Microwave Popcorn is a show to him? I'm far from a great comedy writer but you could have had him say "Noo there's going to be so many Kernals in that bag. They hurt my teeth when I eat them." I know that isn't the funniest line but I think that's more relatable because I've tried eating unpopped Kernals and to me that's funnier as it relates to Homer's gluttony. But now I've given this dumb line more thought than the writers.
 
Just got done watching King-Sized Homer & the episode is just uncanny from any modern TV show in any way whatsoever. The writing comes off as rudimentary but natural, nothing feels contrived or out of character, no joke or conversation was excessive or disposable, every joke is seamlessly woven into the plot, every character action feels like something a normal person in their respective situation would do. Even Lisa sounds reasonable & rational for a character whom leftist political punditry is constantly imposed on. Every character serves a utility to further the narrative & at no point is a joke disjointed, forced or divorced from the narrative, nor is the plot punctuated by irrelevant events that are never touched on again & neither is the main plot so lean on screen time that it needs any kind of complimentary B plot to push its runtime to completion.

I'm now watching episode 1 of season 32 & it's just the opposite. It opens with a carnival at the nuclear power plant where Mr. Burns shoos away the parents and then enslaves all the kids to scrub out the nuclear power plant, Lisa escapes and goes to confront him until he enters the men's room to hide where he reads bathroom stall graffiti calling him a dickwad. The entire episode is then dedicated to Mr. Burns wearing a disguise to mingle among the workforce to learn what they have to say about him & he ends up becoming everyone's friend & giving them free shit. The opening segment is never touched upon again and gives the impression of being its own plot hook.

There are "jokes" here and there but they're all unfunny and barely have a presence, they're not clever, witty or hard hitting. There's also a scene where Mr. Burns is compared to Adolf Hitler. I hate zombie Simpsons.
 
MarvinTheParanoidAndroid said:
Just got done watching King-Sized Homer & the episode is just uncanny from any modern TV show in any way whatsoever. The writing comes off as rudimentary but natural, nothing feels contrived or out of character, no joke or conversation was excessive or disposable, every joke is seamlessly woven into the plot, every character action feels like something a normal person in their respective situation would do. Even Lisa sounds reasonable & rational for a character whom leftist political punditry is constantly imposed on. Every character serves a utility to further the narrative & at no point is a joke disjointed, forced or divorced from the narrative, nor is the plot punctuated by irrelevant events that are never touched on again & neither is the main plot so lean on screen time that it needs any kind of complimentary B plot to push its runtime to completion.

I'm now watching episode 1 of season 32 & it's just the opposite. It opens with a carnival at the nuclear power plant where Mr. Burns shoos away the parents and then enslaves all the kids to scrub out the nuclear power plant, Lisa escapes and goes to confront him until he enters the men's room to hide where he reads bathroom stall graffiti calling him a dickwad. The entire episode is then dedicated to Mr. Burns wearing a disguise to mingle among the workforce to learn what they have to say about him & he ends up becoming everyone's friend & giving them free shit. The opening segment is never touched upon again and gives the impression of being its own plot hook.

There are "jokes" here and there but they're all unfunny and barely have a presence, they're not clever, witty or hard hitting. There's also a scene where Mr. Burns is compared to Adolf Hitler. I hate zombie Simpsons.
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One thing I really adore about King-Sized Homer is that the staff consciously made the great decision that Homer's weight gain montage isn't just a variety of Homer gorging on food. It's just two scenes of Homer eating a Banana Split Sundae followed by him being exhausted from binging on Krusty Burger. Wikipedia's entry on the episode's production is fascinating to me.
"King-Size Homer" was written by Dan Greaney, and directed by Jim Reardon.[1] It was the first episode Greaney wrote for The Simpsons. Prior to this episode he was working as a lawyer and was contemplating moving to Ukraine to work for a start-up company. He said that this episode "saved" him from doing so.[2] Greaney pitched some ideas to the writing staff, but none of them were satisfactory, so then-show runner Bill Oakley gave him the idea for this episode.[2] Oakley had Greaney come to Hollywood to write it, and when Greaney showed the first draft to the staff, they liked it, so Oakley hired him.[2]

The writers wanted the title of the episode to make Homer sound proud about his weight, so they decided to name it "King-Size Homer".[3] Greaney really enjoyed working on the episode because Homer is constantly happy and goal-oriented in it, instead of being a slob who is "eating all the time".[2] Animator David Silverman designed the obese Homer for the episode.[4] There was a discussion about what Homer would wear when he became fat, and they decided to go with a muumuu.[3] The writers were also discussing about how they were going to treat Homer's obesity. They did not want Homer to come off as a "hog", so they decided that the viewer should barely see him eating after he reaches his 300 pounds goal.[2] As the writers were trying to figure out a way to get Homer back to his old weight by the end of the episode, it was suggested that Homer should feel bad about his obesity, and therefore become thin for Marge, but that idea was scrapped in early production
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So really why didn't they just show Homer going full on Mukbanger? It's not because of gross out humor as they show Homer's ass getting sprayed down by the safety crew. I feel they avoided wasting too much time on Homer binging eating because the joke would get old. So the writers made funny simple gags about the shit calorie dense food Homer ate. Makes me laugh seeing Uncle Jim's Country Fillin' reform back into shape.
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But anyway that whole production summary gives you insight on the Classic Simpsons writing process. Which Bill Oakley wrote a detailed account on that I thankfully found archives (Part 1 and Part 2) for [Further aside I cannot seem to find the Story Pitch and Outline for Sweet Seymour Skinner's Baadasssss Song which makes me sad.] But anyway the classic show was a collaborative process, a writer pitched an idea, it was approved by James L Brooks, they'd make an outline and then finally the collective staff meticulously perfected the script. That clearly isn't done anymore.

And the decline (more like implosion) of the show is proof of this. Look at Dan Greaney's writing credits, he's one of the few writers who actively stayed on the show during its decline and long after. He went writing King-Sized Homer and Summer of 4 Ft 2 to the craptastic Bonfire of the Manatees. It's not his fault, evidently he's not a dumb guy generally Harvard (at least back) then only accepted bright scholars. But they went from that collaborative process to what they've been doing now for sadly the majority of the show's run. Even the GOAT Simpsons writer John Swartzwelder couldn't write brilliant episodes by himself after the show's old production format changed.

Gaining this understanding of the Classic Simpsons really helped me gain appreciation for the effort that went into the old show as well as give a break to Zombie Simpsons. I could Curse-ye-ha-me-ha the producers for abandoning the old production format but really who's to say the show could have ever continued being as good as it was for its first 8 seasons? Creative burnout was inevitable.
 
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I saw this in my recommendations, I haven't watched the Simpsons in years because after season 11/12 they became fucking awful but damn this clip is a good example of the Simpsons long downfall. Why is a clip of Homer enumerating a shitton of New Orleans typical food supposed to be funny? Now they're trying to copy those long, awful, unfunny gags that Family Guy is infamous for? Reminds me of that terrible gag of Stewie playing a silly song on the guitar for more than one minute.

Btw it's kinda off topic, but why does New Orleans food look like leftovers of other dishes (always greasy and oily) mixed with rice or vegetables? No wonder obesity is an epidemic in America.
 
Luigi McPizza said:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=h4hWRKjeBrc
I saw this in my recommendations, I haven't watched the Simpsons in years because after season 11/12 they became fucking awful but damn this clip is a good example of the Simpsons long downfall. Why is a clip of Homer enumerating a shitton of New Orleans typical food supposed to be funny? Now they're trying to copy those long, awful, unfunny gags that Family Guy is infamous for? Reminds me of that terrible gag of Stewie playing a silly song on the guitar for more than one minute.

Btw it's kinda off topic, but why does New Orleans food look like leftovers of other dishes (always greasy and oily) mixed with rice or vegetables? No wonder obesity is an epidemic in America.
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There's really something horribly phallic with how they have Homer sucking off these sandwiches.
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Cardenio said:
And Homer is now written to be so mentally inept that Microwave Popcorn is a show to him? I'm far from a great comedy writer but you could have had him say "Noo there's going to be so many Kernals in that bag. They hurt my teeth when I eat them." I know that isn't the funniest line but I think that's more relatable because I've tried eating unpopped Kernals and to me that's funnier as it relates to Homer's gluttony. But now I've given this dumb line more thought than the writers.
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All it miss is a rendition of the Popcorn song in metal...but that won't help either...
 
Luigi McPizza said:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=h4hWRKjeBrc
I saw this in my recommendations, I haven't watched the Simpsons in years because after season 11/12 they became fucking awful but damn this clip is a good example of the Simpsons long downfall. Why is a clip of Homer enumerating a shitton of New Orleans typical food supposed to be funny? Now they're trying to copy those long, awful, unfunny gags that Family Guy is infamous for? Reminds me of that terrible gag of Stewie playing a silly song on the guitar for more than one minute.

Btw it's kinda off topic, but why does New Orleans food look like leftovers of other dishes (always greasy and oily) mixed with rice or vegetables? No wonder obesity is an epidemic in America.
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because you're looking at it through the computer animation by a bunch of underpaid starving koreans. I assure authentic New orleans food is actually quite good it has it's roots in French cuisine one of the finest in the world. nut to stay on topic:


Burns: Dogs are idiots! if went to your house and started slobbering all over your face and sniffing at your crotch what would you say?


Smithers: Hmmmm if you did it sir?
 
"We're going to keep trying to strengthen the American family. To make them more like the Waltons and less like the Simpsons."

- Bush Sr.

Remember when the show used to be seen as "edgy"?
 
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