The origin of species today. (From another Chris thread)

[Pikonic]

Vote, discuss

 

[The Hunter]

Strongly believe in evolution. Won't scream my head off over people personally rejecting it, though, just as long as nobody gets too preachy.

I believe evolution is fact, but people are still entitled to maintain their faith in God. Even then, who gives a shit if he didn't create the world. He's still a pretty great guy.

 

[Pikonic]

Strongly believe in evolution. Won't scream my head off over people personally rejecting it, though, just as long as nobody gets too preachy.

I believe evolution is fact, but people are still entitled to maintain their faith in God. Even then, who gives a shit if he didn't create the world. He's still a pretty great guy.

Yeah I'm with you.
In science classes in college, we were taught nothing is proven, in philosophy I was taught you can't prove the world is older than 6 minutes.
Everyone has their own opinions, I for one chose the Theroy of genetic drift.

Also sorry for blowing up your section of the forum, the Chris threads are going way off topic .

 

[The Hunter]

Also sorry for blowing up your section of the forum, the Chris threads are going way off topic .

Actually, I'm fine with it. I wish more people would use this section.

However, Deep Thoughts is Nia's forum, and she is in FUCKING DISBELIEF that someone would DARE post RELEVANT BULLSHIT in HER FORUM!!1!
No, I'm sure she's fine with it too.

 

[LM 697]

Aliens seeded us here to explore and colonize new worlds (ie. Earth).

 

[QI 541]

From the other thread:

That's quite an assumption you've made there, who said I got them from Creationist sources?

Misconceptions about evolution are generally caused by those. For example, "If it was a matter of evolution, humans wouldn't be the only animals that happened to obtain it to maximize survival."

Where did you get the idea that evolution was supposed to maximize survival? If it did, we'd be able to breathe underwater and grow wings to fly to maximize our chances of survival.

Even Charles Darwin said his theory would break down if it could be proven that we had complex organs that couldn't have resulted from small changes.

Charles Darwin doesn't even know about the existence of genetics. What he believes isn't relevant.

Thanks to advances in science, we now know that even a single cell is extremely complex.

You must realize that everything complex was made from smaller and simpler parts.

 

[Grand Number of Pounds]

I was raised in a Christian household and believed in creationism until I was about 22 or 23, then I started studying the issue for myself and now accept evolution, although I'm still a Christian.

I suggest these guys for people in a situation like I was. It was started by Dr. Francis Collins, MD, PhD, who is a medical doctor, one of the world's first geneticists, mapped the human genome and is the current director of the NIH.

 

[SlowInTheMinds]

Creationism combined with evolution. God created the universe and the laws of physics and is now watching us with a never-ending supply of popcorn and coke.

 

[The Hunter]

Creationism combined with evolution. God created the universe and the laws of physics and is now watching us with a never-ending supply of popcorn and coke.

I used to believe that when I was younger, but now completely reject any idea of God playing a role in the creation of the universe. Someone suggested something interesting, that the universe never was created and has always been here, and that's an idea that has always been to complex for my mind to understand. Logic, for me, dictates that everything, no matter how grand, has to have had a creation. The guy later proved to be an insane German religion hating autist who just sort of tries to spew out what other scientists say (often incorrectly), but still, that idea made me think for quite a while.

 

[c-no]

I'm a Christian who believes in creationism, specifically the intelligent design. Used to rage against evolution until I grew up. Today, I respect evolution and I do consider that maybe we did evolve but really, I don't bother with creationism or evolution since I honestly have other things to do with my life.such as playing vidya

 

[Globe]

Eh, I accept that evolution and abiogenesis are the most logical and reasonable explanations running, considering that every "alternative" I've ever heard failed to provide any competing explanation and pretty much existed soley on the basis of "disproving" evolution/abiogenesis/the Big Bang.

 

[Surtur]

I'm not sure why people find evolution so hard to accept. It does not conflict with my own religion.

 

[Picklepower]

When I was a kid my school taught that The Bible is 100% accurate in every detail, and that Evil-lution is a lie from Satan. I have been an atheist since high school, and yes I know that some Christians accept evolution apparently, but I don't take spiritual things seriously.

 

[The Hunter]

When I was a kid my school taught that The Bible is 100% accurate in every detail, and that Evil-lution is a lie from Satan.

The hell kinda school did you go to?

Oh wait, Catholic schools are still a thing...

 

[exball]

Strongly believe in evolution. Won't scream my head off over people personally rejecting it, though, just as long as nobody gets too preachy.

I believe evolution is fact, but people are still entitled to maintain their faith in God. Even then, who gives a shit if he didn't create the world. He's still a pretty great guy.

Not quite as great as that Satan chap though.

 

[CatParty]

i really enjoy that people on either side of the argument think the other is stupid for their beliefs

 

[Pikonic]

i really enjoy that people on either side of the argument think the other is stupid for their beliefs

Kinda the reason I started this (though I was trying to save a doomed thread ). In order to understand why it's such a strong topic, you need to look at both sides (Evolution v Creationism, Intelligent Design is a cross between the two and Genetic Drift isn't popular enough to start up trouble)

Some people consider Science a religion. In the terms of this is what you believe in, what you practice, preach, and live by, this is true. Many scientists argue this is objective and religion is subjective, science uses theorys demonstrated time and time again via the scientific method, and religion just goes by what they feel.
However, religion has their own objectives as well. History records show a Jesus, parts of Noah's ark were discovered, and the Koran was written by a real prophet (no name out of respect) Wether or not you believe these events prove a religion is up to you.

I'm a scientist, but I'm also a Catholic. I believe in a heaven and a hell, but I also believe what I've studied and what I've found on my scientific endeavors.

 

[Watcher]

However, religion has their own objectives as well. History records show a Jesus, parts of Noah's ark were discovered, and the Koran was written by a real prophet (no name out of respect) Wether or not you believe these events prove a religion is up to you.

Jesus is not historic, there is no evidence that Jesus existed and the New Testimate was written hundreds of years after the fact. This debate has been going on for hundreds of years and the general consensus was even if he did, he was likely a completely different person than the one described in the Bible. With hundreds of years of embellishment and ideas absorbed from other religions at the time (like how Jesus wasn't actually born on Christmas. They adopted that holiday from the Pagans.) Parts of Noah's Ark were not discovered, people claim that they went to mount Sinai and found wood there, it's all ludicrous. Regardless of whether the Koran was written by a real "prophet" it doesn't make what it said true.

The problem I have with things like believing Noah's Ark actually happened was also believing that other things in that story also occurred. Things like Noah living to be 600 years old and being a guy who lived in the Middle East and taking 2 of every species from all over the world, and putting it on a boat. Then there's the issue of how do you get the Australian animals back to Australia if you are a man that didn't even know such a place existed.

 

[Pikonic]

However, religion has their own objectives as well. History records show a Jesus, parts of Noah's ark were discovered, and the Koran was written by a real prophet (no name out of respect) Wether or not you believe these events prove a religion is up to you.

Jesus is not historic, there is no evidence that Jesus existed and the New Testimate was written hundreds of years after the fact. This debate has been going on for hundreds of years and the general consensus was even if he did, he was likely a completely different person than the one described in the Bible. With hundreds of years of embellishment and ideas absorbed from other religions at the time (like how Jesus wasn't actually born on Christmas. They adopted that holiday from the Pagans.) Parts of Noah's Ark were not discovered, people claim that they went to mount Sinai and found wood there, it's all ludicrous. Regardless of whether the Koran was written by a real "prophet" it doesn't make what it said true.

The problem I have with things like believing Noah's Ark actually happened was also believing that other things in that story also occurred. Things like Noah living to be 600 years old and being a guy who lived in the Middle East and taking 2 of every species from all over the world, and putting it on a boat. Then there's the issue of how do you get the Australian animals back to Australia if you are a man that didn't even know such a place existed.

Oh don't get me wrong, I'm with you on the Noah's ark thing, I was trying to display both sides of the argument. Apologies if I came off as a fundie. If I found some driftwood and claimed it was a chunk of the ark, some people would believe me.

 

[exball]