The origin of species today. (From another Chris thread)

[Uzumaki]

You don't "believe" in evolutionary theory. It is simply a process that occurs whether or not you want to admit it.

Interestingly enough, the creation myth does somewhat line up with the scientific history of the earth if you interpret it liberally enough.

And Nostradamus gots his predictions right all the time if you're willing to interpret them liberally enough. If what you write is vague and allegorical enough you can make it mean anything.

 

[Surtur]

I predict a horrible tragedy will befall someone tomorrow. If it comes true I officially have psycho powers.

 

[Watcher]

Interestingly enough, the creation myth does somewhat line up with the scientific history of the earth if you interpret it liberally enough.

Oh boy here we go.

No.

From Skeptics Annotated Bible: http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/gen/1.html

The Genesis 1 account conflicts with the order of events that are known to science.

In Genesis 1:1, the earth and "heaven" are created together "in the beginning," whereas according to current estimates, the earth and universe are about 4.6 and 13.7 billion years old, respectively.

In Genesis, the earth is created before light and the sun and stars, birds and whales before reptiles and insects; and flowering plants before any animals. The order of events known from science is in each case just the opposite.

God creates light and separates light from darkness, and day from night, on the first day. Yet he didn't make the light producing objects (the sun and the stars) until the fourth day. And how could there be "the evening and the morning" on the first day if there was no sun to mark them?

Plants are made on the third day before there was a sun to drive their photosynthetic processes. Notice, though, that God lets "the earth bring forth" the plants, rather than creating them directly. Maybe Genesis is not so anti-evolution after all.

All animals were originally herbivores. Tapeworms, vampire bats, mosquitoes, and barracudas -- all were strict vegetarians, as created by God.

Genesis is a product of the "science" of the day, in that primitive man had no idea about things like atomic theory and taxonomy.

 

[StallChaser]

It boggles my mind how anyone can fight against evolution. Not even just being ignorant of it -- you can be ignorant of a lot of things, like how exactly a computer works, or the manufacturing process of a car, and still function in daily life. Evolution is sort of like that, where you can function without knowing its details if you're not doing anything related to biology/medicine. But some people go so far as to try to prevent people from learning an established scientific theory because it doesn't agree 100% with their religion, and that's insane.

 

[The Knife's Husbando]

It boggles my mind how anyone can fight against evolution. Not even just being ignorant of it -- you can be ignorant of a lot of things, like how exactly a computer works, or the manufacturing process of a car, and still function in daily life. Evolution is sort of like that, where you can function without knowing its details if you're not doing anything related to biology/medicine. But some people go so far as to try to prevent people from learning an established scientific theory because it doesn't agree 100% with their religion, and that's insane.

My eighth-grade math teacher one told me something that has stayed with me to this day: "Their is a difference between ignorance and stupidity. Ignorance is simply the sate of not knowing, and while unfortunate is easily curable. Stupidity, on the other hand- is the state of not wanting to know- and that's despicable."

The very fact that you are reading this means you have access to the internet. The largest collection of scientific information that the human race has ever put together. In the age of information, willful ignorance of scientific fact is a clear choice.

 

[Surtur]

Oh boy here we go.

No.

From Skeptics Annotated Bible: http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/gen/1.html


Genesis is a product of the "science" of the day, in that primitive man had no idea about things like atomic theory and taxonomy.

It's almost as if primitive men were trying to explain the world the best they could...

 

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[ToroidalBoat]

Evolution happens every time a new creature is born - there's a "microevolution" from parent to child. "Microevolution" over a long time becomes "macroevolution", just as steps become a journey.

Now, I believe this doesn't automatically rule out theism. The creation story in Genesis can be an allegory for spiritual development (like it's claimed to be in "Arcana Cœlestia"), for example.

 

[Watcher]

Micro and Macro are just statements of time. Like a minute or an hour. Both are evolution, and can be considered largely superfluous. A big reason why Micro and Macro are even mentioned in creation debates is because Creationists attempt to state that Macro evolution doesn't exist because you don't have "Fish changing into birds" and other such nonsense like that, while being incapable of defending simple examples of micro evolution like dog breeds. And how almost 90% of dog breeds today came about over the last 100 years through selective breeding.

 

[StallChaser]

Micro and Macro are just statements of time. Like a minute or an hour. Both are evolution, and can be considered largely superfluous. A big reason why Micro and Macro are even mentioned in creation debates is because Creationists attempt to state that Macro evolution doesn't exist because you don't have "Fish changing into birds" and other such nonsense like that, while being incapable of defending simple examples of micro evolution like dog breeds. And how almost 90% of dog breeds today came about over the last 100 years through selective breeding.

Creationist - there's no such thing as evolution.
Scientist - Here's an example of evolution.
Creationist - Yeah, but there's a magical stopping point and it can't go any further *runs off with goalposts*
Scientist - We can trace it further back, all the way to microorganisms. We can tell by genetic similarities where exactly the different species branched off and when, corroborated by fossil evidence and radioiso- oh, he's gone. Where'd the goalposts go?

 

[Surtur]

Creationist - there's no such thing as evolution.
Scientist - Here's an example of evolution.
Creationist - Yeah, but there's a magical stopping point and it can't go any further *runs off with goalposts*
Scientist - We can trace it further back, all the way to microorganisms. We can tell by genetic similarities where exactly the different species branched off and when, corroborated by fossil evidence and radioiso- oh, he's gone. Where'd the goalposts go?

The sad part is, no amount of proof can convince these assholes the truth.