🐱 The problem with being anti-woke

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I'm going to do something that will likely annoy you, dear reader: I am going to make an argument about a certain class of people without naming names.

If I do name names, any response will devolve into a debate over whether I am unfairly tarring the individuals in question. That’s beside the point, because the phenomenon in question is undoubtedly real.

That phenomenon is anti-wokeness curdling into reactionary crankery. Don’t get me wrong: as I’ve previously written, I think there’s a moral panic afoot in many liberal institutions. Whether you want to call it 'wokeness' or something else, it seems undeniably the case that a culture of illiberalism has corroded these spaces. I still think the Harper’s letter I signed in 2020accurately captures things:

“Editors are fired for running controversial pieces; books are withdrawn for alleged inauthenticity; journalists are barred from writing on certain topics; professors are investigated for quoting works of literature in class; a researcher is fired for circulating a peer-reviewed academic study; and the heads of organisations are ousted for what are sometimes just clumsy mistakes.
Some on the left still deny this, but they’re wrong. It’s undeniably real and harmful to liberal institutions.
Whether to speak out is one question; whether to make this fight central to one’s identity is another. And there’s a group of individuals who have gone full anti-woke, much to the detriment of their thinking.
What usually happens is this: some academic or other thinker or creative type is cheerfully chugging along in their career, living and working in progressive spaces. Maybe he is a professor, maybe he is a TV writer. Then, he commits some offence, or is perceived as having done so, and suddenly faces an onslaught of censure. Sometimes the opprobrium is wildly disproportionate to the offence. And there’s a very real walls-closing-in feeling, because the hate is coming from people he viewed as members of his 'tribe,' sometimes friends or close colleagues.

These campaigns, I know from first- and second-hand experience, almost always involve sociopathic backchannel efforts to cut the victims off from their social and professional networks; anyone who is seen as 'defending' them (by questioning the charges or the punishment at all) risks getting subsequently un-personed themselves. So, many people denounce or ignore their friends, rather than sticking up for them.

The person at the centre of all this, suddenly finding themselves diminished in status, as well as friendless or close to it, becomes understandably resentful of certain contemporary left-of-centre beliefs and mores. At the same time, he is flooded with support from conservatives and woke-sceptical liberals. The pull must be irresistible – if during this dark moment, one group despises you and tries to destroy you, and another group defends you, who are you going to want to interact with?
This can lead people down a dark path, though. It’s not a good idea to make anti-anything the centre of your identity. Among the most ardent anti-wokesters I’ve noticed an obsessive fixation that causes the rest of the world to fade into an indistinct background fuzz. For example: radical lefty professors are annoying. Sometimes they do bad things, such as leading campaigns to get their colleagues fired or calling everything – everything – 'fascist.' But they are not, in fact, one of America’s hundred most pressing problems. Yet if you followed the most brain-melted anti-wokesters, you would think that professors have more power than any other group in America.

Elsewhere there are anti-wokesters who in one breath decry the illiberal nature of 'wokeness,' and who in the next declare their support for… Donald Trump. This is a crazy position! If liberalism is an important part of your identity, it should be impossible to support Trump, full stop. That doesn’t require you to embrace the frequently dislikable Democratic party with every fibre of your being or anything, but please: a little common sense.

I’d also be remiss if I didn’t point out that many anti-woke types develop an exaggerated suspicion of mainstream authority that leads them to weird places, such as scepticism of Covid vaccines and the embrace of 'alternative' (read: bunk) treatments.

It’s important to recognise that this illiberal moral panic isn’t even particularly popular among Democrats themselves. The Democratic tent is much bigger than the Republican one – it is a much more politically diverse coalition, ranging from exurban centrist 'security moms' who aren’t averse to voting for moderate GOP members to genuine socialists who hold their noses to vote for Biden and Hillary centre-left types.

If you despise wokeness, you should realise your beef is not with the median Democrat. Pro-wokeness is a deeply unpopular movement (if you can call it that), and a very contentious one even on the left, where a range of thinkers, from neoliberals to Marxists, have published thoughtful critiques of it.

I understand why some might believe otherwise. This illiberal belief system is disproportionately influential in many media, academic and nonprofit settings. But even there, there are often silent majorities whose mouths are agape at how weird things are getting – I know because they often email me. So if you’re sceptical of the moral panic roiling many parts of the left, I’m sympathetic. But I don’t think you should make that fight central to your identity, or abandon all belief in American liberalism. The people most responsible for making progressive spaces toxic are too-online weirdos. Don’t become one yourself.
 
I think this is basically Singal subtweeting James Lindsay. He's not wrong about making your identity all one thing, especially if that one thing is purely being against something. Trump Derangement Syndrome is a great example, especially where people are so hung up on hating Trump they will ignore perfectly valid criticisms and instead sound deranged by going on about Russia, and piss tapes, and all the things that feed right into the Fake News narrative.

So, he has a point, but if he wasn't going to name the person he also shouldn't have given specific examples, because that just gets people to focus on those instead. Also, I think he's underselling the consequences of, not just college professors, but teachers at all levels pushing woke nonsense. I'd say it is one of America's biggest problems, because it's fucking up the future.
 
The list of things that were democrat that are now republican are probably too big to really list.
Part of it too is that the democrats implemented more processes to make it harder for gas roots to actually make any headway in their party. The democrats have a very large coalition with very different interests and Obama was able to keep them united. The republicans in contrast were hallowed out after the defeats of McCain and Romney. In a way, it was like osmosis. Especially since Hope didn’t amount to much. Trump and similarly aligned Republicans took advantage of this and that’s how we got MAGA.
 
Jesse Singal is one of Zoe Quinn's mates from the GG days, who was subsequently fucked by the same mob for interviewing an ex-tranny in a "balancing" paragraph to a massive pro-child tranny piece. He's the least objective commentator of anything that isn't 110% wide awoke, which you probably could have guessed from his Trump Derangement Syndrome in this piece anyway.

It's not even "wouldn't want people to think you weren't a liberal, eh?" it's more "well... you will just be fooling yourself if you call yourself a liberal and do X..." Singal is targetting the middle of the flock of sheep here, not even the ones legging it over the fence away from the wolf pack.
Oh, I didn't even realize this was written by Virtue Singal. His entire life revolves around shivering in the corner, begging the left not to get mad at him. This article is very on-brand for him.
 
The "median" democrats basically are enablers to every single thing that is woke.
Woke of course being a person lying to themselves and everyone else while the powers that be run circles around us all.
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I think this is basically Singal subtweeting James Lindsay. He's not wrong about making your identity all one thing, especially if that one thing is purely being against something. Trump Derangement Syndrome is a great example, especially where people are so hung up on hating Trump they will ignore perfectly valid criticisms and instead sound deranged by going on about Russia, and piss tapes, and all the things that feed right into the Fake News narrative.

So, he has a point, but if he wasn't going to name the person he also shouldn't have given specific examples, because that just gets people to focus on those instead. Also, I think he's underselling the consequences of, not just college professors, but teachers at all levels pushing woke nonsense. I'd say it is one of America's biggest problems, because it's fucking up the future.
Oh, we’ve gone well past “Fucking up the future” at this point. We’ve done things to ourselves over the past decade that would result in criminal charges for human rights violations in almost any other circumstances.

Even if we heal the division we still have mutilated and infertile teens and adults and children who can’t verbally communicate and may be developmentally retarded to the point where they may be literal drains on society.
 
Oh, we’ve gone well past “Fucking up the future” at this point. We’ve done things to ourselves over the past decade that would result in criminal charges for human rights violations in almost any other circumstances.

Even if we heal the division we still have mutilated and infertile teens and adults and children who can’t verbally communicate and may be developmentally retarded to the point where they may be literal drains on society.
Nah, fix things quickly enough and the problems will be minimized.

How do I know? Cases in point. Between 1933-1945 millions of German children were inculcated with Nazi philosophy, but after the war ended there were very few cases of German children attacking Allied troops, the shit basically went away. Same thing in Japan. When the war ended and the Allies occupied the country the Japanese children not only gave little if any trouble, they started learning more Western ways. And consider the millions of people supposedly indoctrinated in Communist ways of thinking during the time of the Iron Curtain. Look how fast they threw off Communism once it was no longer imposed upon them.

Give most people credit. They are far more resilient than might be thought.
 
I moved on myself from anti-woke commentary but I can care less that people are still whining about it because I can understand it's hard to move on from things they once loved, and plus I'm quite entertained by the eternal slap fight sperging between these groups. What can I say though? I'm a kiwifarmer, of course I enjoy watching people be dumb on the internet.
 
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I moved on myself from anti-woke commentary but I can care less that people are still whining about it because I can understand it's hard to move on from things they once loved, and plus I'm quite entertained by the eternal slap fight sperging between these groups. What can I say though? I'm a kiwifarmer, of course I enjoy watching people be dumb on the internet.
I cant blame them either. Imagine watching icons of virtue, patriotism and the American dream like superman and captain america be turned into anti American homos and Nazis.
I'd be fucking pissed if I liked them too. Thank god I never really got into comics.
 
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There is one problem with being anti-woke, and its those people that go "LOLZ, LOOK AT THIS MARVEL FAGGOTRY". Just fucking stop. Everyone knows its garbage. Everyone knows its boring. You don't NEED to keep doing it. I grew tired of culture warrior Youtubers ages ago. You know what? I don't NEED to know about it.

If you're still a 'fan', you're a dumbfuck. There's nothing to reclaim, it is time to move the fuck on. Read independent comics, read older comics, look and watch something else. I used to love Star Trek, gave up on it. Kinda liked Star Wars. Gave up on it. Used to read comics. Read manga instead now. Used to watch Western Entertainment. Now I watch classic movies I never saw, shows critics 'hate' or non-Western entertainment. I avoid new novels and read old ones I missed. I don't buy progtarded videogames or translations, I play older ones or mod them.

There's tons of other shit out there. There's no reason to pay attention to modern entertainment unless you want to get angry about something. I'm through with that phase. When I see people getting angry "THEY'RE SHITTING ON THE FANS". I'm like, 'No, they're shitting on fucking idiots like you who will hate watch it anyway and think you make a point. Don't watch it. Stop watching it.'

I can't stand those Youtubers anymore, its the same shit over and over. There's no fucking need to talk about it. Just ignore it and move on.
Same.

The Orville is the perfect example.

Modern Star Trek is garbage. It was hijacked by talentless hacks, at best, using it as poorly disguised political propaganda a long time ago.

Yet. Someone,that being Seth Mcfarlane, somehow managed to convince a big network to do Star Trek right. Fans could speak with their wallets and watch that instead.

Seth just had to change the names a little.

At this point, if, instead,you are wasting your time seething and hate watching woke trash like Picard and Discovery, it justs show you are are just loyal to a brand not quality.

Specially with good alternatives being there literally a click away.

There is a world of quality enterteinment beyond DC/Marvel, and even Disney.

Watching idiots like ClownfishTV or Doomcuck is not going to solve anything. These people hate you, and just want to "educate you" ( aka preach you their religion to you until you convert) and watching youtube anti-SJWs is not going to make them change their minds.

Just watch something else.
 
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well some gamer boy just speakes from my soul,,,,


im not antiwoke, im anti globohomo....
 
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