Culture The Rings of Power and the trouble with orc babies - The only good Orcs are the ones who never come out of their stinking holes.

In J.R.R. Tolkien’s The Lord of the Rings, Sauron is pure evil. He is the acolyte of Morgoth, a Satan figure in Tolkien’s mythos. Morgoth creates sun-hating minions, the orcs, during his reign of darkness — hellspawn, in other words, created by a devil figure to do his bidding. These are the villains our protagonists most frequently encounter, and their status as dispensable adversaries serves the function of challenges to be overcome, through trickery or battlefield carnage, so that the One Ring might be destroyed and with it, the spirit of Sauron, who seeks to enslave the peoples of Middle-earth.

The Rings of Power’s second season seems intent on asking: But what about orc personhood?

A minor stir was caused in episode three when an orc character named Glûg is shown with an orc wife and orc baby. Glûg is a deputy to Adar, a fallen elf tortured by Morgoth, who’s currently in charge of Mordor, the parcel of land the orcs forcibly took from a population of Men in season one. (Adar and Glûg are invented characters for the show.) In previous episodes, Glûg wants to remain in the orcs’ new home rather than march to war. Later, it dawns on Glûg that perhaps Adar does not care about the orcs, whom Adar calls his “children,” as evidenced by battlefield maneuvers certain to result in high orc casualties.

Having dispensed with the aforementioned storyline of the Men forcibly removed from their homeland, it seems that the writers might be casting about for a new population through which they can examine suffering and oppression, and they landed on orcs. The problems with this approach are manifold.

A war machine does not make for a good metaphor

Orcs are canonically bad in The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings, even if Tolkien pondered their humanity in subsequent writings (more on that later). Here’s how Tolkien introduces them in The Hobbit (“goblins” and “orcs” are synonymous):

Now goblins are cruel, wicked, and bad-hearted. They make no beautiful things, but they make many clever ones. They can tunnel and mine as well as any but the most skilled dwarves, when they take the trouble, though they are usually untidy and dirty. Hammers, axes, swords, daggers, pickaxes, tongs, and also instruments of torture, they make very well, or get other people to make to their design, prisoners and slaves that have to work till they die for want of air and light. It is not unlikely that they invented some of the machines that have since troubled the world, especially the ingenious devices for killing large numbers of people at once, for wheels and engines and explosions always delighted them.
Under Sauron’s influence in The Lord of the Rings, orcs could charitably be understood as victims — cogs in a war machine — their cruelties the result of Sauron’s own cruelty. Yet even away from the domination of Sauron and left to their own devices, as Bilbo finds them in The Hobbit, they are “cruel, wicked, and bad-hearted.”

Creatures of Satan, naturally bad: At their core, orcs are distinctly unlike humans. This is important because the fantasy genre frequently explores real-world oppression through make-believe people. Not that this was Tolkien’s approach; his style is more mythic than allegorical. It’s the subsequent 60 years of fantasy storytelling that has made use of fantasy populations to explore real-world systems of oppression (mutants in X-Men, orogenes in The Broken Earth trilogy, among many more examples).

But for the metaphor of oppression to work, it has to be rooted in some kind of overlap between the fantasy population and the subjugation of actual people. Real bigotry exercised through government policy is an enduring theme of X-Men’s mutants; orogenes are scapegoated and killed because of the powers they’re born with in The Broken Earth. With orcs, there is no overlap to draw on, no there there. Tolkien — and Morgoth — created them to be agents of evil. The metaphor falls flat when there’s nothing on the other side of it.

The racialization of orcs cannot be wiped away

Tolkien’s creations are so influential that it’s easy to assume our modern conceptions of elves, dwarves, and orcs are as he wrote them. But it’s less of a straight line than a branching tree, with Tolkien at the root and evolutions and interpretations branching from a shared lineage. Untangling even the roots can be difficult.

There has been much debate about whether Tolkien wrote racist depictions in the orcs and the Men who aligned with Sauron. Though Tolkien describes orcs mostly through their actions, the few recurring visual descriptions include traits such as “swarthy” and “slant eyed.” The oliphaunt-riding Haradrim who join Sauron’s side in the War of the Ring are described as “black men like half-trolls with white eyes and red tongues” with “harsh” sounding language. This is as bad as it gets in the canon proper; the physical characteristic Tolkien seemed most preoccupied with in these stories is stature.

But more emerges in the Legendarium, which is just shorthand for the entirety of Tolkien’s mythmaking, most of which was published posthumously, as well as his letters, which contain the infamous description of orcs as “squat, broad, flat-nosed, sallow-skinned, with wide mouths and slant eyes: in fact degraded and repulsive versions of the (to Europeans) least lovely Mongol-types.” That description may not be found in the published books, but the spirit of the sentiment certainly is, even if it is implicit.

Then there’s what’s explicit: For the most part, Tolkien’s various groups are so specific, and have become so iconically defined, that they are identifiable without race or ethnicity, ripe for The Rings of Power’s colorblind casting. Orcs are conspicuous outliers in this regard, with actors’ skin hidden under thick layers of sickly makeup. This makes it all the easier to project the modern ideas of orcs onto them — the ones that don’t stem from Tolkien at all, but use his creations as fantasy shorthand that, through repetition and time, have turned creatures like orcs into the tropes we recognize today.

Dungeons & Dragons is the most responsible for this; for decades, fantasy storytellers have been playing in Tolkien’s backyard, cherry-picking elements from his fantasy and transforming them into a kind of ethnographic adventure through a fantasyland textured by colonial shades of racism recognizable to players. Dungeons & Dragons taught fantasy fans to understand orcs as a fusion of racist tropes, combining a barbaric other and a vaguely native people of tribes and clans. Players can play as half-orcs with a “sloping forehead, jutting jaw, prominent teeth, and coarse body hair,” which in the official handbook was for years accompanied by a drawing that emphasizes Tolkien’s Asian caricature (the problematic visual depictions are all but excised in the new edition). Tabletop games like Warhammer and many video games have reinforced racist depictions of orcs, and Peter Jackson’s Lord of the Rings didn’t help. Jackson’s Uruk-hai are coded in the “scary Black men” trope, a significant departure from how Tolkien describes them (mostly more sun-tolerant and larger than orcs).

The Rings of Power is a direct descendant of Jackson’s interpretation of Tolkien’s material, but all the cultural understandings of orcs seem to bear on decisions the show’s writers make. The writers seem to feel the responsibility of doing something with orcs, but instead of unpacking any of their baggage, they ignore the uncomfortable connotations in favor of a paste-on oppression narrative.
It’s almost as if, because orcs exist in such a distinct category of their own, The Rings of Power seeks to turn the orcs into a racialized population. This results in an oppression utterly devoid of context, so nonspecific as to be nothing. It’s an easy win to be against the concept of oppression; it’s much harder to actually say something about oppression. The reason X-Men, for instance, is interesting is not because oppression just exists, but because the mechanisms of oppression of mutants reveal how similar mechanisms harm real-world people — something that was very much on the mind of its creators during the civil rights era.

There’s no story — no interesting story, at least — in “oppression in general is bad.” For orcs’ oppression to mean anything, their suffering needs to be recognizable to us, the mechanisms of their oppression understood. That is to say: There must be an obvious corollary to an actual oppressed population. The writers are gesturing, however tentatively, at comparisons to everyone from Israeli Jews to exploited soldiers with their storylines of “Mordor as the only homeland for orcs” and “Glûg as unwilling conscript.” But perhaps the gestures remain so tentative because going any further into the allegory risks the obviously offensive. Who wants their oppression to be seen through the lens of orcs?

Maybe orcs are vehicles of evil who don’t have babies, and that’s fine

Humanizing orcs was always going to be difficult. But there’s an obvious alternative: In place of writing orcs as any kind of recognizably marginalized population, they could just be evil.

Evil is a powerful force, lurking in the shadows of the night. The malevolent forces of the world hide there; the ghouls who give us nightmares and ill omens and bad luck. Evil is a necessary and primal concept that motivates our most powerful stories (see: the Bible, all myth). Banding together to fight against it is the best unifier there is, in the real world and the world of Middle-earth.

It would seem Tolkien understood this when writing the orcs. Here’s a population of wicked beings, created by Morgoth (again: Satan) and in service of a warlord set on conquering the world and subjecting all its people. Tolkien depicts orcs again and again as killing innocents, enjoying torture, and enacting the sort of casual cruelty you’d expect from villainous minions. The overwhelming story Tolkien tells of orcs is not of a people suffering under a dictator, but the mindless and expendable soldiers Sauron uses to attempt to conquer Middle-earth.

By comparison, he wrote vanishingly little about the systems needed to support all those (tens of thousands? hundreds of thousands?) orcs. Imagine if he had sacrificed the potent locale of Mordor in service of thinking through the problem: Much farmland would be needed to grow crops, but plants can’t grow in a land of shadow where volcanic ash blocks the sun. Tolkien elided this particular bit of mundane world-building, which is good, as it doesn’t sound very interesting to read.

Likewise, how orcs procreate is not discussed anywhere in The Lord of the Rings or The Hobbit, but is mentioned almost as an aside in The Silmarillion. This may seem like a technicality, but it’s not. Dig deeply and greedily enough in the Legendarium and you can find a cavern of (sometimes contradictory) world-building that, for good reason, isn’t present in stories of the Ring. A second piece of marginalia supporting orc humanity includes the sentence in a letter, unsent because “it seemed to be taking myself too importantly,” that finds the author discussing the theology of his creation and calling orcs “naturally bad” after nearly writing “irredeemably bad.”

Not to put too fine a point on it, but what Tolkien chose to include in The Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit should be given more weight than what he chose to omit. If Tolkien, a deliberate writer and a devout Catholic, had wanted to get into the moral morass of what orc babies and their attendant loving and nurturing implies, he would have. Given everything that is on the page — the thousands of years of elves, Men, and dwarves and their fractured populations warring, allying, and achieving great feats — one wonders why the writers’ room of The Rings of Power is venturing into orcish territory at all.

It’s a tall order to adapt all that myth into a television show. But we know how it will turn out: In the face of Sauron, an alliance of the free peoples of Middle-earth (most of them, anyway) will put their squabbles aside and fight Sauron’s forces — that is to say, orcs. And if the writers are true to Tolkien, our heroes will have no compunctions about killing many, many, many orcs. If our heroes do have compunctions because there have been several seasons’ worth of orc sociological theory, the writers have a difficult set of questions to answer: What does it mean to humanize cogs in a war machine? How do creatures with minds so weak they bend to the will of Sauron engage in free will? If orcs are more than hellspawn, what are they pointing to and what do they stand in for? These are questions Tolkien struggled with and ultimately didn’t answer. It doesn’t look good for The Rings of Power’s writers’ room.

 
Or maybe still being kings and running shit?
I figure so, at least when they are powerful enough to be present in the world. Mordor must have industrial and agricultural areas that are being worked to produce all of the materials and supplies needed for Sauron's forces. It's definitely not free labor so that means close oversight.

Probably also go around intimidating Sauron's vassals as needed to make sure they keep towing the line as well.
 
Rings of Power actively hates its source material. Any adaptation of that magnitude put out at this moment in time is going to bear signs of being colonized by people who want to subvert society for their own gain. LOTR is a prime example of something that these bad actors want to ruin because of how wholesome its values are: loyalty to friends and family in the face of adversity, humility and willingness to learn about new places and peoples, perseverance in pursuit of moral causes. All of that is unacceptable to portray right now.

Sauron can’t be portrayed as he is: evil. Instead he has to be some fuckable man who get Galadriel’s elf-panties wet. Because Galadriel can’t be a loyal feminine wife either, she has to be a girlboss warrior with anger issues. Orcs can’t be incompatible with peaceful society, they have to be mommies and daddies and lil future doctors just struggling to get by.

Any IP that has incorruptible good and irredeemable bad is going to get shat upon right now. Morality and principled action are detestable to these cockroaches. Don’t even bother with RoP. If you have an itch for Tolkien, go read the damn books again.
 
This is a lot of words to fail to note that in the Silmarillion, Tolkien explicitly tells the reader that Morgoth created the Orcs by capturing, torturing and forcibly breeding Elves until they became 'broken things'.

Yet this is held true by the wise of Eressëa: that all those of the Quendi that came into the hands of Melkor, ere Utumno was broken, were put there in prison, and by slow arts of cruelty and wickedness were corrupted and enslaved. Thus did Melkor breed the hideous race of the Orcs in envy and mockery of the Eldar, of whom they were afterwards the bitterest foes. For the Orcs had life and multiplied after the manner of the Children of Ilúvatar; and naught that had life of its own, nor the semblance thereof, could ever Melkor make since his rebellion in the Ainulindalë before the Beginning: so say the wise. And deep in their dark hearts the Orcs loathed the Master whom they served in fear, the maker only of their misery. This maybe was the vilest deed of Melkor and the most hateful to Eru.

Tolkien adheres to the Catholic truth that only the One can create life, not the Dark Lord; creation of life is reserved to Iluvatar. Aule creates the Dwarves, but they don't have life until Iluvatar discovers Aule's work and chooses to grant life to them.

Morgoth can only twist and pervert life, so he breaks Elves to create Orcs and subsequently corrupts Men to do his work. This is also why he has to convince Ungoliant to aid him in the shadowing of Valinor instead of just creating a monster to do it himself. He genuinely can't. He can't even create a follower in Sauron; he has to woo him away from the service of Aule. For the same reason, Sauron must corrupt the Numenoreans into the Nazgul; he cannot craft them out of nothingness.

Morgoth's inability to create life is the very reason we are told he breeds Orcs. He can't create them out of nothingness; the dark is not given Iluvatar's power to do that.
 
Tolkien wasn't usually one to disregard realism without reason. For example, if you check the distances and times for when Aragorn, Legolas and Gimli are pursuing the orcs to Isengard you'll find that the pace they set is heroic but just on the upper bounds of plausible. Which is what Tolkien wanted - truly exceptional people but not superheroes. Aragorn is 87 at the time of Lord of the Rings. It's extraordinary but acceptable in the world of Middle Earth where he's descended of a long-lived line of ancient kings. He dies aged 210 in the appendices which feels more legendary than fantastic. And his "oliphants" were closer to mammoth size than 50m titans of Peter Jackson's films. Authenticity was one of Tolkien's guiding principles.

So when it comes to how orcs feed themselves, arm themselves, etc. you can be sure he's considered this stuff. As others have said Mordor has water and fields and there's vast stretches of lands to the South and East where populations can and do trade with Mordor. The Black Numenoreans to the South are allies of Sauron, also. (N.b. "black" does not refer to their skin colour, these are ones that sided against the Valinor but survived the ruin of Numenor due to having established colonies on Middle Earth).

If Tolkien didn't dwell overmuch on the logistics of feeding the orcs its because it wasn't an interesting focus for him. And I think the same can be said about female orcs and baby orcs. As we know from his writings he didn't like the idea of irredeemable people but he also didn't want to detract from his focus on overcoming adversity and goodness defeating evil. I'm not actually against The Rings of Power looking at the subject with more nuance. As an earlier poster said, the issue with orcs in his books isn't their looks but their spiritual degredation. In the show without the influence of Morgoth they begin to become less inclined to conquest and want to retreat to their own lands. By the end of S2 however, they are falling under the sway of Sauron and this is in keeping with Tolkien's themes that they are corrupted by shadow more than inherently irredeemable. There are things wrong with the show but that decision isn't inherently a bad one. Adar (the elf who leads the orcs) is actually one of the better characters.

One thing interesting with his orcs which many copiers have changed, is that Tolkien's orcs aren't giant brutes. Indeed, Saruman seems to cross-breed them with men to create his taller and stronger orcs. Tolkien never equated strength with evil. One of the most interesting things is how often modern media does. It's as if they're trying to convince us all that weakness = goodness and strength = evil. Tolkiens orcs were mostly smaller, vicious creatures. As the author notes, Tolkien was far more interested in stature than physiognomy.

As an aside, Free League Publishing put out a Tolkien RPG called The One Ring which by default is set about sixty years or so before The Lord of the Rings. For all that it's an RPG it's one of the most faithful continuations of his work I've seen in terms of tone and respect for the lore. Very occasionally in the books you'll see a note from the authors saying something like "in Tolkien's notes this area is lacking detail but we believe this is in line with ____ and his note that _______" sort of thing. It does a good job of fleshing out the setting into something detailed enough to use whilst not contradicting anything. One of the things it really makes clearer which doesn't necessarily occur when watching the films or even reading the books, is that Middle Earth in the Third Age is a post-apocalyptic setting. Eriador is littered with old ruins, abandoned farms and villages and roads grown over with weeds. A third of the continent was lost when Numenor was sunk and Morgoth was capable of raising actual mountains. It's a fascinating setting with more depth than many people realise. And even though he doesn't dwell on it sometimes, the fact that is there lends a lot of believability to his stories.
 
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Probably also go around intimidating Sauron's vassals as needed to make sure they keep towing the line as well.
It’s “toeing the line”, in that your feet are right up against the line to cross without going over.

The Nazgûl, specifically the Witch King of Angmar, were the political force in charge of Sauron’s territory while he was in hiding. Remember, it’s only sixty years between Gandalf driving Sauron out of Murkwood and the War of the Ring.
 
One of the things it really makes clearer which doesn't necessarily occur when watching the films or even reading the books, is that Middle Earth in the Third Age is a post-apocalyptic setting. Eriador is littered with old ruins, abandoned farms and villages and roads grown over with weeds. A third of the continent was lost when Numenor was sunk and Morgoth was capable of raising actual mountains. It's a fascinating setting with more depth than many people realise. And even though he doesn't dwell on it sometimes, the fact that is there lends a lot of believability to his stories.
Even in the books there's a bit of that feel to it. I remember Gandalf talking about how Osgiliath used to be the capital of Gondor and Minas Tirith their equivalent to Helm's Deep. The elves aren't just leaving Middle-Earth, they're outright fleeing from Sauron. He and Morgoth did a serious number on the place over the years, and what's left is the last few guttering flames of light defiant to the end against the oncoming night.
 
Never knew that, always figured it was about pulling a rope to move something heavy.
It’s probably one of the many bits of British idiom that comes from our glorious naval history. Sailors would line up with their toes aligned with one of the deck planks to get orders or to be severely reprimanded.
 
I read the Last Ringbearer translated into English. The book flat out says that the other races of Middle-Earth refer to Orcs as niggers and that they need to be genocided, which prompts Sauron to get his shit together to fortify Mordor.

Don't watch Rings of Power and read the Last Ringbearer instead.
 
This is a very revealing piece for the journoshit ideology. They're willing to sympathize with creatures that are by design evil and inhuman, so no wonder they shed tears over every non-white savage culture. Every time they cry about muh poor Palestinians or muh oppressed troon sex freaks, just remember that their emotions come from the same cultural brainwashing that causes them to sympathize with literal demons.
 
I read the Last Ringbearer translated into English. The book flat out says that the other races of Middle-Earth refer to Orcs as niggers and that they need to be genocided, which prompts Sauron to get his shit together to fortify Mordor.
Aragorn is a puppet of the Elves, seeking to usurp the throne of Gondor by murdering Boromir before Gandalf removes Denethor. Arwen, being 3,000 years older, holds Aragorn in contempt, but uses their marriage to cement Elvish rule over Gondor.
Looks like it's just horrible elvishinitic propaganda, the Elves worship the same Eru Ilúvatar as us, they are Gondor's greatest allies!
 
The elves aren't just leaving Middle-Earth, they're outright fleeing from Sauron.
This is mostly wrong. While Sauron may have been a motivator, the reason the eleven were leaving Middle Earth en masse is simply because Middle Earth was not made for them. Being immortal, they find the constant changes of Middle Earth exhausting after a while, and will develop an internal compulsion to sail back to the Undying Lands. This happens to Legolas in the story, when it is prophecized that hearing the call of a seagull will induce this compulsion.
 
This is mostly wrong. While Sauron may have been a motivator, the reason the eleven were leaving Middle Earth en masse is simply because Middle Earth was not made for them. Being immortal, they find the constant changes of Middle Earth exhausting after a while, and will develop an internal compulsion to sail back to the Undying Lands. This happens to Legolas in the story, when it is prophecized that hearing the call of a seagull will induce this compulsion.
To add onto this, at the end of the first age and the remaking of the world, God basically punished everyone involved in the shenanigans of the first age. Part of that punishment was the inherent "magic" left over from the song of creation began to dissipate. The Valor, whose fate was bound to the world at the dawn of time were also diminished as consequence. They could not act directly on the world anymore as they had failed in their charge and forced God to get up off his throne. They became spectators for the most part. They stayed in Valinor where the magic of creation was still strongest, and this is the other big reason the elves want to go there. They can maintain their immortal bodies until the end of time in Valinor, but if they stayed in middle earth they would eventually became wraithlike. Not evil or undead or anything like that, but more tired and sorrowful spirits doomed to wander the earth trapped between reality and the unseen world.

Not an enviable fate. Which is why Mankinds mortality was considered a gift. They got to sleep before the Throne of God until the time came for them to reawaken and be reembodied. Dead elves don't even get that. They get to become wraiths immediately and hang out in the dreary Halls of Mandos for the rest of time, unless the Valor feel incredibly charitable and reembody them in Valinor. Incidentally, this is why the Rings of Power were forged. The elves were trying to find a way to preserve the magic of creation and escape their doom.

Tolkien never really got around to explaining how the fate of the Valor, Elves and Men would be resolved before he died. He did start on it. Its considered apocrypha, but I rather like it. Some fans made a great short film about it.

 
Wasn't Tolkien writing Lord of the rings to cope with his experiences from war?
If anything, the orcs are the nazis.
Like many writers he definitely injected baggage from his time in the service into his works but orcs aren't a direct analogy for anything. And he was a middle-aged man during WWII, he never fought Nazis anyway.
Rather famously he hated people trying to draw analogies from the trilogy, to the point he added a foreword to the 2nd edition of the books saying "this isn't an analogy for anything in the real world, I hate allegory, and I will slap you if you keep suggesting it is".
 
Like many writers he definitely injected baggage from his time in the service into his works but orcs aren't a direct analogy for anything. And he was a middle-aged man during WWII, he never fought Nazis anyway.
Rather famously he hated people trying to draw analogies from the trilogy, to the point he added a foreword to the 2nd edition of the books saying "this isn't an analogy for anything in the real world, I hate allegory, and I will slap you if you keep suggesting it is".

So you're saying the elves are not the jews of middle earth?

This is mostly wrong. While Sauron may have been a motivator, the reason the eleven were leaving Middle Earth en masse is simply because Middle Earth was not made for them. Being immortal, they find the constant changes of Middle Earth exhausting after a while, and will develop an internal compulsion to sail back to the Undying Lands. This happens to Legolas in the story, when it is prophecized that hearing the call of a seagull will induce this compulsion.
 
So you're saying the elves are not the jews of middle earth?
It depends on what you mean by “Jews.” Elves are the predecessors to the true inheritors of the world, separate to them by metaphysical incongruence, related to a later society driven to war by a false god, with a cultural desire to return to their bestowed homeland.

But really the elves are simply elves, a literary device for Tolkien to explain the spirits and fae of Germanic and Celtic mythologies while still maintaining his Catholic beliefs. All to fuel his hobby of crafting languages.
 
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