The rise of "I was never woke" types - "I swear I was always based and redpilled!"

[cybertoaster]

Youtube is getting fleeced by AI as well.

I meant AI search is taking over web search, meanwhile google's results have been going to shit for years even though its their bread&butter.

 

[(((I am NOT a jew)))]

No they don't. Firstly because they're in an actual cult and secondly because, aside from the ones who've actually mutilated themselves, the ideology is lacking in the real dire consequences, like the concentration camps and mass executions, that honest-to-God communism had

I understand this but I still have to agree with Idiotron here.
The problem is the only reason we haven't had the extreme physical consequences as other dictatorships is the current western world knows you can't do that anymore. The entire basis for why modern life is shitty is enough people know how to play with the power dynamics of the system without much pushback.
You're not going to see people in gulags or starving to death. But you can absolutely make it to where you break down social cohesion, have suicide rates reach record numbers, have people become professional SERFS and destroy every cultural and artistic platform available and blacklist anyone who might have the courage to change it.
I'm not saying it's on the same level of brutality, but it doesn't have to be.
If the socialists could do a rinse-and-repeat of the worst of the 20th century, they absolutely would.

I think the problem is while I'm all for shaming and steamrolling this societal plague that's destroyed the world for almost two decades, I really don't want to see a complete reversal to where we just become the Moral Majority from the the Reagan/Bush years with the same amount of power that the extreme left has had for a good amount of time. I feel like the majority of people who went in on woke are just going to end up going in the opposite direction without really changing much of their views.
I.e we'll still have people hating tits in videogames, finding everything in media problematic and trying to tone-police language and art and just being a general pain in the ass that would have been ignored in every decade before the 2010s.

 

[Dawdler]

I meant AI search is taking over web search, meanwhile google's results have been going to shit for years even though its their bread&butter.

I really have troubles looking up scientific data now as I am getting search results filled by manufactured or advertised goods. There's nothing on first page that is useful and even as horrible as bing is, it is better than google currently.

 

[The Poopsmith]

And people who experienced wokism know how dangerous it is.
Literally every problem the West is facing today is caused by wokes ruining everything.
Mocking them relentlessly will make them the laughing stock of history and will ensure that the ideology will never make a comeback.

This is truth. I lived it, and that's part of the reason I snapped the fuck out of it. If you've got some deep-seated issues, the first few sips of the Kool-Aid(s) is so sweet. Everyone is nice to you, you can express yourself in ways you never had the courage to before, it feels great. You feel confident. You feel loved. But it's all fake. There is no room for disagreement, and if you try they'll smear you with every single gay made-up pejorative they can muster, and then everyone turns on you. It's over. Now that's all well and good for a small community of weirdos, but they aren't. They've scaled this mindset up to a societal level, I firmly believe that this is a major reason why we are where we are (for better or worse, decide for yourself). This ultra-progessive ideology, "woke" or whatever, cannot be allowed to come back. It must not.

 

[macrodegenerate]

I think if you directly advocated for these political positions willingly, you should be held accountable.

I don't think agreeing under duress really counts, and the average American has had to for the last 10 years to keep their jobs.

 

[Get the rope Macaulay!]

Something to think about is how quickly the left can bounce back on a long enough timeline, I've been getting into 1991/1992 media and both SNL and The Simpsons make a joke about the idea of democrats getting the white house back. the party was seen as so dead that it was a punchline a la the GOP getting the white house in 2014.

It makes sense too, HWBUSH still has the highest 1000 day approval rating average of any president (yes even beating JFK) and just won a war, if it weren't for a certain man from Texas i doubt we'd ever have gotten clinton in.

despite 12 years of GOP control, the media was still proudly left and just biding their time. the Woke will keep existing, Bernie Sanders wasn't unusual for the types of democrats that got into power in the late 1970s, he was complaining about millionaires back then and still is now. hell the CIA director under Barack Obama was a proud commie who applied for the CIA during the last days of the carter admin and was able to work his way up to director.

the left can go decades without Ws because they are willing to let it take years of marching through institutions before their investment pays off unlike the GOP who demands results NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW!

Look at Bill Ayers, from terrorist to his protégé become president.

Plenty of people pretended they never voted Nixon, but you rarely see people say they didn't vote Carter. i can easily see plenty of zoomers talk about voting Biden or Kamala or Hilary

 

[ArnoldPalmer]

I always feel like I trust people when they say, "I voted for Obama, but I'm a Trump supporter now."

Maybe that's wrong of me.

There's a bit of nuance to it. You have to ask them if they voted for him twice, or how they think his second term went, and how they feel about him now. If they voted for him twice, or in the 2012 election, they fucked up, and you should withhold trust. It was easy to be swayed by Obama in 2008, though. I can forgive America for that choice, if only because Post-9/11 America Ethos didn't fully take root until around that time. People tend to forget that the previous century's optimism didn't die out overnight. It took almost a decade.

 

[Chongqing]

If they voted for him twice, or in the 2012 election, they fucked up, and you should withhold trust.

I haven't met an American person who voted for Romney in 2012.

And honestly, why would I? Why would a 2012 Romney voter exist? He campaigned on nothing except vague outdated grievances about "entitlements," something voters at the time weren't even talking about because it's a term he just made up himself.

He was so out of touch that he put his dog's cage on top of his family's car and drove it a long distance on a highway while the dog shit everywhere. That's the level of judgment he had. He was also the most pompous example of a 1%er the English-speaking world had seen this century. A completely unlikable person from policy to personality. An example of 18th century British aristocracy somehow forced onto the American people. A full clash of culture.

I believe Osama bin Laden was killed in 2011 while these Constitution was not suspended to extrajudicially kill an American and his son until the second term. I think that was in 2015.

We had also just withdrawn from Iraq while the GOP in the 2008 election stated clearly that they wanted to continue the forever war(s). Romney had not really distanced himself from this way of thinking.

So, not only would I argue that you are wrong but I would argue that, if anything, any 2012 Romney voter should not be trusted, because that person is way too easily brainwashed by the global elites.

 

[ArnoldPalmer]

words

While true, remember that 2012 was the big Ron Paul year for a lot of people who felt left out. I don't think we'd be where we are today without the spark he left.

 

[Chongqing]

While true, remember that 2012 was the big Ron Paul year for a lot of people who felt left out. I don't think we'd be where we are today without the spark he left.

Yes, you're very right.

 

[cybertoaster]

despite 12 years of GOP control, the media was still proudly left and just biding their time

Thing is legacy media is dying and social media clearly cares more about making money than indoctrinating people.

the Woke will keep existing

Yeah but they're going back to the college basement, trump is now doing what he should've done 8 years ago by cutting all their funding. Plus the non-woke left is rightly blaming them for "fascism" making a comeback so they'll be a minority.

People tend to forget that the previous century's optimism didn't die out overnight.

What are you talking about? 9/11 was probably the sharpest change this country has ever experienced, the most draconian laws were passed in record time and almost unanimous support, every airport since then has become unbearable, you couldn't even walk thru manhattan for years from all the security checkpoints as if some hadji was gonna bomb the hole the towers left. Any optimism after the turn of the millennium died that year.

 

[ArnoldPalmer]

What are you talking about? 9/11 was probably the sharpest change this country has ever experienced, the most draconian laws were passed in record time and almost unanimous support, every airport since then has become unbearable, you couldn't even walk thru manhattan for years from all the security checkpoints as if some hadji was gonna bomb the hole the towers left. Any optimism after the turn of the millennium died that year.

Nah, I think you're misremembering. The previous century's optimism took years longer to die out, the closer you got to the interior of the country. "The Midwest 80s was everyone else's 1974", as it's said. The only reason I know this, is because I moved from the coast, to the interior, during that time, and got to watch that optimism die in real-time, over the span of years, and thousands of miles. The attitude change wasn't overnight for the entire country. The reality may have set in, in one day, but it took until about the release of the iPhone for 9/11 to fully make the U.S. the dispassionate wasteland it is today.

 

[cybertoaster]

The reality may have set in, in one day, but it took until about the release of the iPhone

Again this meme, look we did a 180° after the towers, some people like to LARP that we were united like never before but we were united in fear because we went from zero to getting the biggest terrorist attack in history. It wasn't a slow thing, 2002 was a shit year, and just when we think the worst its over 2008 shows up and shits on everything, biggest economic crash since 1929, some parts of the country never got back on track after that.

 

[greatUncleShitHeel]

Plenty of people pretended they never voted Nixon, but you rarely see people say they didn't vote Carter. i can easily see plenty of zoomers talk about voting Biden or Kamala or Hilary

lol no. As someone looking in they were irredeemable shit. In my country there are people who either admit they voted Arden and are happy about that or are horrified at the notion they were stupid enough to.

What are you talking about? 9/11 was probably the sharpest change this country has ever experienced, the most draconian laws were passed in record time and almost unanimous support, every airport since then has become unbearable, you couldn't even walk thru manhattan for years from all the security checkpoints as if some hadji was gonna bomb the hole the towers left. Any optimism after the turn of the millennium died that year.

That's true of most of the western world (or at least in NZ/Aus) as I remember the 20th century finally dying at that point and it being point in time everything warped around.

 

[Mister Fister]

Something to think about is how quickly the left can bounce back on a long enough timeline, I've been getting into 1991/1992 media and both SNL and The Simpsons make a joke about the idea of democrats getting the white house back. the party was seen as so dead that it was a punchline a la the GOP getting the white house in 2014.

It makes sense too, HWBUSH still has the highest 1000 day approval rating average of any president (yes even beating JFK) and just won a war, if it weren't for a certain man from Texas i doubt we'd ever have gotten clinton in.

despite 12 years of GOP control, the media was still proudly left and just biding their time. the Woke will keep existing, Bernie Sanders wasn't unusual for the types of democrats that got into power in the late 1970s, he was complaining about millionaires back then and still is now. hell the CIA director under Barack Obama was a proud commie who applied for the CIA during the last days of the carter admin and was able to work his way up to director.

the left can go decades without Ws because they are willing to let it take years of marching through institutions before their investment pays off unlike the GOP who demands results NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW!

Look at Bill Ayers, from terrorist to his protégé become president.

Plenty of people pretended they never voted Nixon, but you rarely see people say they didn't vote Carter. i can easily see plenty of zoomers talk about voting Biden or Kamala or Hilary

MAGA Republicans are nothing like the Reagan Republicans.