The Sacred Cow of Homosexuality - lmao i'm gonna get so much shit for this

This is a consequence of the "war on heteronormativity," which in turn was a result of the AIDS crisis.

The 1980s AIDS crisis made that obvious that the 1970s gay rights movement, which claimed that gays just wanted to live normal lives, was based on a lie, because homosexuals uniformly reacted with outrage at the suggestion that, maybe, since a deadly disease was spreading like wildfire from one butthole to the next, they shut down the bathhouses, cut back on the group sex, and anonymous barebacking. Gays couldn't be bothered to take even a tiny step toward preserving their own lives; nope, it was we normal people who needed to invent some kind of heroic medical treatment to save the gays, and we were going to pay for it, too.

The problem is, as long as everyone agrees that having anonymous, unprotected buttsex with thousands of men is self-destructive and immoral, it is impossible to blame anyone except homosexuals for their own AIDS deaths. Enter the attack on "heteronormativity." Oddly enough, homosexuals can be pretty insightful about how deeply social conventions are intertwined with reproduction. So, in the 1990s, "deconstructing" pretty much all of our morals, including companionate marriage, the nuclear family, social censure of promiscuity, children being raised by their parents, etc, really kicked into high gear. By the late 1990s, the coolest universities were all promoting "queer theory," and by 2010, this was every university.

Part of the destruction of heteronormativity was encouraging public fetish display. Homosexuals had been doing this for decades at the Folsom Street Festival, which most normal people found revolting. Out of queer theory, we got "let your freak flag fly," "everybody's a little bit queer," and "don't yuck somebody else's yum." This led to Yale Sex Week and copycat events on other campuses.

So hey, why not cross-dress in public?

Throw in some gender deconstruction (which feminists enthusiastically supported, since they thought it would break down social barriers they saw as repressive), and now trooning out is a civil right.
You put it into way better terms than I would, well done. That's really why I oppose the deification of homosexuals: because it's inherently subversive and deconstructive.

What do you get when you tell two generations of kids with chronically low self esteem that being gay is STUNNING AND BRAVE?
 
I've said why I hated them in many different ways including them being literal nuisances to society as a whole and directly hurting people like me. I wouldn't care about them if they acted, you know, normal, or atleast while keeping their fetish/dysphoria to themselves.
If only they were normal! If only!

Seriously what the actual fuck is this stupid shit?

How is a man who wears skirts and dresses and gets fucked in the ass normal? Only difference between that man and a tim is that the troon insists you call him a woman and let him use the ladies room.

At what point do they become normal for you? They stop insisting you pretend their the opposite sex? They dress like their sex? They stop using opposite sex restrooms? At what point?

And ultimately what's "normal" is what is moral.
 
How is a man who wears skirts and dresses and gets fucked in the ass normal?
You too have dyslexia and can't read for shit. I said ACTED normal as in acting like most everyday people, for example Blaire White acts normal. We can argue whether it is normal to be trans or whatnot, but even then I have said again and again that I don't care of whatever people do behind closed doors. I can tolerate trannies who aren't madly histrionic on the internets and I think you can too.

Of course if the gays and the trannies annoy you so much just by merely existing, be a brave boy and shoot up a bar, that'll show them. Don't be a fucking pussy, show us all how based and redpilled you are.
What do you get when you tell two generations of kids with chronically low self esteem that being gay is STUNNING AND BRAVE?
Nobody outside of SJWs think that way because you need to have your own head far up your ass to even begin to think that being a certain way or living a certain way is "brave and stunning", those words only exist together to mean "challenge the status quo", otherwise we would all be "brave and stunning" in our own ways.

I would be brave and stunning because I'm opposing excessive taxation which is something apparently the libs really love for some reason, but obviously I can't be because I'm pushing for the status quo according to these lunatics.

Being gay "challenges" the status quo, so to SJWs that's how one is brave and stunning. Good luck figuring out those people.
 
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You too have dyslexia and can't read for shit. I said ACTED normal as in acting like most everyday people, for example Blaire White acts normal. We can argue whether it is normal to be trans or whatnot, but even then I have said again and again that I don't care of whatever people do behind closed doors. I can tolerate trannies who aren't madly histrionic on the internets and I think you can too.

Of course if the gays and the trannies annoy you so much just by merely existing, be a brave boy and shoot up a bar, that'll show them. Don't be a fucking pussy, show us all how based and redpilled you are.

Nobody outside of SJWs think that way because you need to have your own head far up your ass to even begin to think that being a certain way or living a certain way is "brave and stunning", those words only exist together to mean "challenge the status quo", otherwise we would all be "brave and stunning" in our own ways.

I would be brave and stunning because I'm opposing excessive taxation which is something apparently the libs really love for some reason, but obviously I can't be because I'm pushing for the status quo according to these lunatics.

Being gay "challenges" the status quo, so to SJWs that's how one is brave and stunning. Good luck figuring out those people.
Normal is always relative. For example, you have been socialized to believe that celebration of ass sex is "normal."

"Muh closed doors" is a dishonest argument, but, I could agree with it to a certain extent. I.e., faggots existing somewhere out there in the world is not really an immediate problem for me, that's true. It becomes a problem when I, my family, and my children have to co-exist with them in the same political body. Now faggots get to have a say in the lives of me and my family. That isn't okay with me, and I deserve a right to dissociate from them, just like they can (and should) dissociate from me.

This would be the intellectually honest version of the "muh closed doors" take. But it would require actual freedom of association, and most people are too addled by social programming to consider such a possibility without their brains exploding.
 
Normal is always relative. For example, you have been socialized to believe that celebration of ass sex is "normal."

"Muh closed doors" is a dishonest argument, but, I could agree with it to a certain extent. I.e., faggots existing somewhere out there in the world is not really an immediate problem for me, that's true. It becomes a problem when I, my family, and my children have to co-exist with them in the same political body. Now faggots get to have a say in the lives of me and my family. That isn't okay with me, and I deserve a right to dissociate from them, just like they can (and should) dissociate from me.

This would be the intellectually honest version of the "muh closed doors" take. But it would require actual freedom of association, and most people are too addled by social programming to consider such a possibility without their brains exploding.
Focus on the root of the problem. What you described here is almost entirely caused by social justice.

A fag living across the street doesn't affect you, you admitted this much, so your issues about them are mind-boggling to me. It's like the arguments of SJWs who say that because straights exist that they automatically infrige on the rights of gays to exist on a daily basis, this is as much of a non-argument as your idea that gays in turn infringe on your rights to live your life on a daily basis.
 
Focus on the root of the problem. What you described here is almost entirely caused by social justice.

A fag living across the street doesn't affect you, you admitted this much, so your issues about them are mind-boggling to me. It's like the arguments of SJWs who say that because straights exist that they automatically infrige on the rights of gays to exist on a daily basis, this is as much of a non-argument as your idea that gays in turn infringe on your rights to live your life on a daily basis.
I repeat what I said earlier: what gives you the authority to divide homosexuals and social justice? They're VERY intertwined and I'd go as far as saying most homosexuals ascribe to social justice rhetoric.
 
Focus on the root of the problem. What you described here is almost entirely caused by social justice.

A fag living across the street doesn't affect you, you admitted this much, so your issues about them are mind-boggling to me. It's like the arguments of SJWs who say that because straights exist that they automatically infrige on the rights of gays to exist on a daily basis, this is as much of a non-argument as your idea that gays in turn infringe on your rights to live your life on a daily basis.
No, a fag living across the street affects me a lot. It means faggotry is acceptable in the community I live in, and I don't want to raise children in a community where faggotry is tolerated. I said fags existing somewhere out there in the world isn't necessarily a problem, so long as I don't have to live with them, like if they are over in Israel doing their orgies and exhibition marches. If I have to live with them next door to me now it's my problem. If I have to live in a country where they are voting to promote more faggotry, that is a problem for me as well.
 
The push for homosexual acceptance was (and still is) very successful. Everyone who has propaganda pushed on them for their entire lives will accept it to some degree. It doesn’t matter how based you think you are; a constant onslaught of homosexual rhetoric will affect you, which is why so many on this board who are quick to play “Guess the race” will hesitate to call a faggot what they are.

As for homosexuality itself, there is no ”good” version of it. At best, it is a cope for people who have (in most cases) experienced some sort of sexual trauma/severe deviancy in their lives, and at worst, it is a sexual deviancy with no causality that is a gateway for more perverse behavior. After all, it’s no mistake that heterosexual child predators are outnumbered 11:1 by homosexual child predators.


Of course, this sort of information isn’t spread nearly as wide as the completely abstract (and severely autistic) concept of “being yourself”. It’s this disconnect between reality and the message being pushed on us that homosexuality is equal to heterosexuality that gives many the impression it’s of no concern. “Live and let live”, “as long as you’re not hurting anyone else”; some of the excuses people give as to why they don’t concern themselves with the deviancy of others are a part of the larger problem at hand: apathy; a quality which will give way to acceptance of further perversions. If you think it stops at transsexuals, you are dead wrong.
 
You too have dyslexia and can't read for shit. I said ACTED normal as in acting like most everyday people, for example Blaire White acts normal.
First he says I can't read. Emphasizes the acting normal part and then precedes to name a person who does all the things I said wasn't normal as if said person is normal... White is a man who wears dresses and has sex with other men. If it wasn't for his instance on being a "woman", he would be just another gay.

We can argue whether it is normal to be trans or whatnot, but even then I have said again and again that I don't care of whatever people do behind closed doors.
Except their not doing it behind closed doors. In fact they say trying to keep it there is homophobia.

I can tolerate trannies who aren't madly histrionic on the internets and I think you can too.
And so can everyone else. Its the internet.

Of course if the gays and the trannies annoy you so much just by merely existing, be a brave boy and shoot up a bar, that'll show them. Don't be a fucking pussy, show us all how based and redpilled you are.
Fuck off with the fed posting bro.
 
Some more reasons why "muh closed door" is a retarded line.

1. Quick thought experiment, you can pick one of two communities to live in. Community A is 100% faggots. You and your wife might be straight but literally every other person your children interacts with will be a faggot. All of the other children in this community (let's assume somehow there is a normal amount of children, it's a hypothetical) are being raised by faggots and taught that it's normal to have 2 dads. Nothing illegal ever happens and your kids don't ever have to actually see the ass sex, so it's all muh closed doors, but it's still 100% fags. Community B is 100% heteros and bans faggotry.

Which one do you want to raise your kids in? Do you think they will be more likely to become fags themselves if they grew up in one community vs the other? Any honest and sane person will pick Community B. The retort is likely to be "but nowhere is 100% gay in real life!!!1" Yes and thank goodness for that. The point is that the more faggotry you have around, the more risk you're putting your kids at, and the ideal is zero risk. Learn how the Amish eliminate sodomy with this one weird trick, faggots hate them! Of course, the other retort is to pretend that faggotry is somehow normal and wouldn't represent a negative outcome for your child. If you believe that you're probably a moral relativist/general shitlib and hopeless.

2. Let's extend "muh closed doors" to some other types of behavior besides only sodomy. Propaganda has successfully convinced most people that it is fine and normal to commit sodomy "behind closed doors," but if we broaden this out for 2 seconds, it becomes immediately apparent that "it's behind closed doors" isn't a viable defense for degeneracy and no one actually thinks it is if they are being honest. Let us suppose there is a couple who likes to get pregnant, abort the kid late-term, have the husband rape the dead fetus, then cook and consume the remains. They find this dead cummy baby ritual sexually satisfying and do it over and over again.

It's technically legal, no one is getting hurt by any direct violence, it's all behind muh closed doors, but they aren't ashamed of it either and consider it totally fine and normal to do. You will not want to associate with these people, you will try to avoid them and you won't want to let your kids be around them. Same deal for degenerates who fap to loli art and are out and proud about it. And anyone who claims they would ackchyually be okay being around such people are either liars or wild degenerates themselves. It's not that the heckin' closed doors somehow made something okay, it's just that the line for what is acceptable and what is considered degenerate has been arbitrarily (yet successfully, from a social standpoint) moved forward to put sodomy on the other side of it.
 
If only they were normal! If only!

Seriously what the actual fuck is this stupid shit?

How is a man who wears skirts and dresses and gets fucked in the ass normal? Only difference between that man and a tim is that the troon insists you call him a woman and let him use the ladies room.

At what point do they become normal for you? They stop insisting you pretend their the opposite sex? They dress like their sex? They stop using opposite sex restrooms? At what point?

And ultimately what's "normal" is what is moral.
You're conflating fags with trannies. Being gay has nothing to do with crossdressing, or wanting to be the opposite sex. You act like fags are just closeted troons that are held back by muh normality. Gays are men, and want to stay men. Just like lesbians are women, and want to stay as women.
I repeat what I said earlier: what gives you the authority to divide homosexuals and social justice? They're VERY intertwined and I'd go as far as saying most homosexuals ascribe to social justice rhetoric.
No, we do not. In fact, most 'Social Justice' is propagated by straight people who want to virtue signal because they're fucking cucks.
You put it into way better terms than I would, well done. That's really why I oppose the deification of homosexuals: because it's inherently subversive and deconstructive.

What do you get when you tell two generations of kids with chronically low self esteem that being gay is STUNNING AND BRAVE?
I agree, homosexuality isn't something to be deified, most gay people will agree with that. I also agree that children shouldn't be exposed to idea of faggotry until they're old enough to understand people like that do exist. However no amount of propaganda is able to 'turn someone gay'. It isn't something you're indoctrinated into, it's something you're born with.
As for homosexuality itself, there is no ”good” version of it. At best, it is a cope for people who have (in most cases) experienced some sort of sexual trauma/severe deviancy in their lives, and at worst, it is a sexual deviancy with no causality that is a gateway for more perverse behavior. After all, it’s no mistake that heterosexual child predators are outnumbered 11:1 by homosexual child predators.
Gay people can't change who they're attracted to. They can change how they behave when dealing with their sexuality, and they can act responsibly when discussing their sexuality. I understand that you can make the same argument with other degenerates like pedophiles, however humans have this thing where they can consciously make decisions, and consciously deciding not to have sex with children is extremely easy. I believe that homosexuality is a form of mental illness, but it isn't detrimental to anyone, unlike pedophilia, which actively harms everyone involved. There's a reason to kill a pedophile, there isn't a reason to kill a fag.
 
Gay people can't change who they're attracted to. They can change how they behave when dealing with their sexuality, and they can act responsibly when discussing their sexuality. I understand that you can make the same argument with other degenerates like pedophiles, however humans have this thing where they can consciously make decisions, and consciously deciding not to have sex with children is extremely easy. I believe that homosexuality is a form of mental illness, but it isn't detrimental to anyone, unlike pedophilia, which actively harms everyone involved. There's a reason to kill a pedophile, there isn't a reason to kill a fag.
While I do agree homosexuality doesn’t have direct negative effects, it also seems to be a gateway to more perverse behavior, which is why (like I stated previously) there is an abnormally higher amount of homosexual child predators compared to heterosexual child predators (11:1). This point is reinforced even more when you consider only 6% of Americans identify as gay, bisexual, or trans.
 
While I do agree homosexuality doesn’t have direct negative effects, it also seems to be a gateway to more perverse behavior, which is why (like I stated previously) there is an abnormally higher amount of homosexual child predators compared to heterosexual child predators (11:1). This point is reinforced even more when you consider only 6% of Americans identify as gay, bisexual, or trans.
Even if they were equal this still doesn't emphasize the root of the problem which is the theme of the thread. The official line is this doesn't happen. The statistics paint a very different picture. From my anecdotal experience there is also a much more rampant but even less acknowledged problem of vulnerable teens being preyed upon by gay adults decades older than them.
 
You're conflating fags with trannies.
Claims I can't read, then fails to read my words. Go back and reread what I wrote.

Being gay has nothing to do with crossdressing, or wanting to be the opposite sex.
Never said it did. You said gays act normal and thus why you accept or tolerate them.

You act like fags are just closeted troons that are held back by muh normality.
I don't think the regular queer wants to be a troon. However there isn't much distance between the two.

Gays are men, and want to stay men. Just like lesbians are women, and want to stay as women.
I should hope so. Their insane enough already just being homosexuals.
 
Last time I checked, being a fag doesn't require restructuring your worldview and redefining language that you already use while insisting that you impose the same rules on everyone in the world. Gays only ask that you accept that they want to take established concepts and boundaries and apply them to same-sex relationships. Faggots don't want me to change everything I know for them to be comfortable, they just want me to say 'OK' and not hit them too hard.
 
No, we do not. In fact, most 'Social Justice' is propagated by straight people who want to virtue signal because they're fucking cucks.
You can't deny that the "gay community" is overwhelmingly aligned with the left and in bed with the corresponding SJW ideology. It's true that #NotAll of you are, in the same way that not all black people are, but the trend is overwhelming.

You're conflating fags with trannies. Being gay has nothing to do with crossdressing, or wanting to be the opposite sex. You act like fags are just closeted troons that are held back by muh normality. Gays are men, and want to stay men. Just like lesbians are women, and want to stay as women.
Being gay has a ton to do with crossdressing. Source: Before trooning really took off, "drag queens" were a gay phenomenon. The overlap between LGB and T is huge. The amount of troons who also had some type of LGB identity before/while trooning is wildly disproportionate and we both know it. That's why they are seen as a single community/political movement. And it's basic common sense that it would turn out this way as being prone to one form of sexual deviancy means you are far, far more prone to become interested in/explore others.

I agree, homosexuality isn't something to be deified, most gay people will agree with that. I also agree that children shouldn't be exposed to idea of faggotry until they're old enough to understand people like that do exist. However no amount of propaganda is able to 'turn someone gay'. It isn't something you're indoctrinated into, it's something you're born with.
The irony is that the whole concept of gay as 100% genetically pre-determined has been implanted into you by propaganda. It is nature/nurture both like any other complex behavior. There are cases of identical twins with one of them turning out gay and the other not, which is the hardest disproof of the genetic determinism theory one could possibly ask for. No, you probably won't be "turned gay" by watching SJW videos on youtube or some shit, but you clearly can be by sexual trauma like molestation as a child. Likewise people can be "gay" then swing back towards bisexual or even straight, especially women (it's true that it is harder for men who tend to be more rigid in this respect).

Gay people can't change who they're attracted to. They can change how they behave when dealing with their sexuality, and they can act responsibly when discussing their sexuality. I understand that you can make the same argument with other degenerates like pedophiles, however humans have this thing where they can consciously make decisions, and consciously deciding not to have sex with children is extremely easy. I believe that homosexuality is a form of mental illness, but it isn't detrimental to anyone, unlike pedophilia, which actively harms everyone involved. There's a reason to kill a pedophile, there isn't a reason to kill a fag.
It's detrimental to you and the person you are fagging with. Admitting it's a mental illness then pretending it's fine to indulge in it is quite a cope. Faggotry and alcoholism/drug abuse are excellent analogues. Just like being gay, drug abuse has a high risk factor based on genetics, but is not fully determined by them. It's a complex behavior where environment also massively affects outcomes. And likewise it isn't violent and doesn't directly harm anyone else but is obviously detrimental to the person suffering from it, and the proper course of action is for them to try and minimize their drug consumption not blindly indulge in it. Faggotry I would say is worse since it harms your fellow fags that you are fagging with and likewise has a huge correlation with pedophilia.
 
1. Quick thought experiment, you can pick one of two communities to live in. Community A is 100% faggots. You and your wife might be straight but literally every other person your children interacts with will be a faggot. All of the other children in this community (let's assume somehow there is a normal amount of children, it's a hypothetical) are being raised by faggots and taught that it's normal to have 2 dads. Nothing illegal ever happens and your kids don't ever have to actually see the ass sex, so it's all muh closed doors, but it's still 100% fags. Community B is 100% heteros and bans faggotry.
this is a very scary thought, something to keep in mind 100% when starting a family
 
The push for homosexual acceptance was (and still is) very successful. Everyone who has propaganda pushed on them for their entire lives will accept it to some degree. It doesn’t matter how based you think you are; a constant onslaught of homosexual rhetoric will affect you, which is why so many on this board who are quick to play “Guess the race” will hesitate to call a faggot what they are.

As for homosexuality itself, there is no ”good” version of it. At best, it is a cope for people who have (in most cases) experienced some sort of sexual trauma/severe deviancy in their lives, and at worst, it is a sexual deviancy with no causality that is a gateway for more perverse behavior. After all, it’s no mistake that heterosexual child predators are outnumbered 11:1 by homosexual child predators.


Of course, this sort of information isn’t spread nearly as wide as the completely abstract (and severely autistic) concept of “being yourself”. It’s this disconnect between reality and the message being pushed on us that homosexuality is equal to heterosexuality that gives many the impression it’s of no concern. “Live and let live”, “as long as you’re not hurting anyone else”; some of the excuses people give as to why they don’t concern themselves with the deviancy of others are a part of the larger problem at hand: apathy; a quality which will give way to acceptance of further perversions. If you think it stops at transsexuals, you are dead wrong.
I'm going to reply to you because you seem far more genuine than half the posters here who I think nobody can reason with and are also very fucking dishonest with that one guy skipping the verb "acting" which I highlighted and uppercased the second post and assume I said "are normal". I literally never said in this entire thread that homosexuality or even transsexualism was normal, I said that gays and trannies could act normal like they can take a bath, have a normal conversation with other people (Without politics or talking about their "gayness"/"transness") or even buy things from the shop and come back home without having a tantrum. You can be abnormal, but act like a normal everyday person. Apparently that concept is too hard to grasp for some retarded autists on this forum.

First I'm not really apathetic, I'm empathetic. I have no reason to hate homosexuals and I always thought that what they were doing were completely harmless, (fucking love that one guy who compares sodomy to pedophilia and cannibalism as if the 3 had anything in common) so I default to let them live because it's a waste of time to focus on others when I should worry about myself first, for real I only have problem when they do weird shit in public, I don't care of what sex they practise in private as long as it's legal and not cannibalism/pedophilia. If you are christian, god will judge them, so that's none of your business judging them on his behalf. If you are atheist, I don't even know why you would care about morality in this instance because atheists are materialists, they care very little about morality as it is immaterial. That doesn't mean they have no ethics like they too think pedophilia is abhorrent because it's actively harming children. Anyways point is, unless you have had a bad interaction with a gay then I don't understand why you hate them. This is the kind of zealotry I'm not fond of and I'm willing to contest.

I fully agree with the second paragraph and I have stated this much myself that homosexuality is usually caused by pornographic consumption, however this issue with Pedophilia should atleast be spread. Furries are fully complacent and let the worst degeneracies in their fandom like Zoophilia and whatnot so they're irredeemable, I hope this isn't also true for most homosexuals, but according to some 'experts' here: gays are SJWs, so that must be a no, they don't tolerate this. SJWs in general hate Pedophiles, so if that was true then by default homosexuals wouldn't tolerate Pedophiles either. Anyways this should be brought up more frequently to the attention of the LGB community so that something can be done about the problem if it is this widespread.

Even if they were equal this still doesn't emphasize the root of the problem which is the theme of the thread. The official line is this doesn't happen. The statistics paint a very different picture. From my anecdotal experience there is also a much more rampant but even less acknowledged problem of vulnerable teens being preyed upon by gay adults decades older than them.
Again sorry for my scepticism, but if this was very widespread I'd see more of it being brought up on social media, particularly on right-wing circles, but every single time the grooming comes from trannies.

This could possibly be an underground practise like the elusive Pedophile rings which we don't hear much about on the daily, but which are apparently frequent to come across unknowingly.
 
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This could possibly be an underground practise like the elusive Pedophile rings which we don't hear much about on the daily, but which are apparently frequent to come across unknowingly.
@Kiwi & Cow Here's a blog that talks about it as it is acceptable to discuss today. This was part of the LGB movement's platform in the 70s the same way pederasty that gave us NAMBLA was part of it. Publicly it is disavowed and largely unacknowledged because they know how terrible it looks. In many ways it is treated as a rite of passage instead of the predation it is. Like I said it's not even so much a matter of rate. When discussion of it is verboten the only acceptable rate is it never happening. You won't find studies or articles taking a stand because people like their careers. It's similar to the way a lot of valid TERF/Detrans points are shouted down even when they are objectively true. It requires me to think about why even those supposedly uninvolved are closing ranks and zealously protecting them.
 
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