The Sims Online / FreeSO / Sim Nation and the rest - Are you kiki?

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Dammit Mandrake! said:
I was wondering, how many people actually play this game? How large is the community when you combine the user base of each client?
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Sim Nation has the most players by far, especially by raw "sim count". Multi-simming makes an exact number a bit tricky to figure out but if you take a look at the Sim Nation dashboard you will see that at the time of this post, there are 169 sims in-game. When you consider that most players are multi-simming and that multi-simmers very regularly operate anywhere from three to five sims (some more, some less), we can be generous and divide any given Sim Nation player count by three which would give us around 53 players. And since a minority of players do not multi-sim, let's round up to the nearest ten.

So let's say that Sim Nation has 60 people playing.

DramaSO has a dashboard as well and they have 12 online as of this post. They also don't multi-sim, so that number is what it is. Their total player base is smaller and is likely to be around 20 to 25 total users that are active in a meaningful way. Since Sim Nation got generosity in their numbers, so will DSO.

So let's say that DramaSO has 25 people playing.

There are a couple other clients like Cape Kare and FML Reloaded and NewSO, each of which has a smaller active player base than DSO. If we are being generous, each probably has around five to ten regulars. NewSO, for instance only has one person online as of this post.

So let's say that the other game clients combined have 35 people playing.

That comes to roughly 120 people in total playing The Sims Online in the current era. And that number more or less tracks. Sometimes that number will go up, especially if a fan favourite event like Halloween or Easter is happening that brings in non-regulars. And sometimes that number will go down. Given that it is currently the end of the week and after work in most places, the player counts listed in this post would represent peak or near-peak traffic for a non-event time of year.

Hope that helps!
 
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It looks like the team over at DramaSO have decided to open up a can of cringe this weekend. Before we get to that, a little catch up: about a week ago one of DSO's players produced a short video about the game and its features. And a little while later another player created a reddit thread (archive) that garnered some attention and brought new blood to the game. For all intents and purposes this is good. Well done! A community that can sustain itself with fresh content and new players without input from the game operators is the cornerstone of a healthy, prosperous game. And then we arrive at this weekend where, perhaps feeling a little bit of a buzz off of the newfound attention they were receiving, one of the game's operators went and wrote a complete trash fire of a blog entry (archive) on the game's main page. The text is not without some interesting points toward the end, so let's take a look at it in some detail and examine what the DSO team did right and what the DSO team did wrong.
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DSO has largely been successful when it comes to walking the fine line of running their game and not being completely autistic with their community management. Granted, their chosen name "DramaSO" did turn several prospective players away from their version of The Sims Online, but that was really their only misstep until now. Inexplicably, with this one blog post the DSO team have managed to fire unnecessary shots at their competitors and come off as angry babies. One has to wonder if the whole team was on board with this or if someone went rogue after popping some pills.
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There are two references made to other games and individuals. Like everything we are going to go over in this post, DSO is bringing this stuff up (dredging it up from the depths, even) for no reason at all other than to gloat; and this gloating is unwise. They are creating drama when their game has largely and amazingly been entirely drama free. In the first image they are taking jabs at Sim Nation as a "no-go" server; the administration of Sim Nation and FreeSO have an extremely negative relationship with one another. It is so negative that in the case of FSO, you aren't even allowed to talk about Sim Nation without getting banned. In the second image they are calling out Angel Mist as being "insufferably toxic" and poking fun at her for getting banned from FreeSO.
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These two images are somewhat confusing. Despite reading and re-reading them, the general meaning is a bit elusive. In the first image they are talking about mistakes they had made, namely introducing items that had some flaws and then removing them later and causing several players to angrily leave the game. If the author is going for sarcasm, it doesn't seem to land very well. And then in the second image they are more or less saying that they don't want to keep running the DSO project and would much rather have someone else do the work. Which is especially strange when you compare that sentiment with other excerpts from the same blog post.
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Here's one of the most interesting parts of the entire post. What the DSO operators are saying here is that the game itself has been relatively inexpensive to run. The number given is 25 USD. Their hardware is a repurposed computer one of them had laying around and the domain services were simple to get up and running. In the second image the author says that they had always suspected that running a TSO server was not the most expensive thing in the world, but seeing it themselves made them realize that maybe other server operators had been lying about the costs involved. This is extremely interesting because it implicates most of the other TSO clients from the post-FreeSO era and from the period of time before FreeSO closed down. If anything the DSO team have posted so far is worth its weight, it is this portion right here. They are calling out the rest of the community for collecting money and donations for server upkeep and maintenance when in reality those costs are not very high at all. In fact if their number of 25 USD is accurate for their four month span of operation, it calls into question the practices of the largest TSO server, Sim Nation which regularly collects nearly 1,000 USD monthly in direct violation of the guidelines laid out by Electronic Arts. More on that in the next paragraph.
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Oh boy. Okay, there is no getting around just how bad this section starts off. For the server that claims to have the least amount of drama, they sure aren't proving it here. Whatever partnership deals they are referring to are a mystery to us, but the general point of "following the rules" is worth digging into. This is a clear reference to the policy that FreeSO had to not derive any income or profit from their Sims Online client. FSO actually received a cease and desist from Electronic Arts over their very matter and the game was allowed to continue to stay open only because the FSO operators agreed to the terms. The concept of keeping the game as a free service is the bedrock supporting everything that makes up the modern TSO community. And the elephant in the room is how blatantly Sim Nation violates this fundamental tenant of operating a custom TSO server, something the DSO team have made a point to bring up multiple times over the months.
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Last but not least, we arrive at this section discussing how DSO is transparent and trustworthy. The DSO team put their honor on the line to personally deliver to its users a product that is free from outside, malign influences; at least that is what they are claiming. And for the record, there has been no evidence to believe otherwise as of yet; the DSO team have been very transparent about their updates and files. They are absolutely lighting up most of the rest of the community however; and suggesting (perhaps not wrongly) that many of the other custom TSO clients contain undocumented files that are not able to be easily audited. And along this line of thinking, the DSO team might be onto something more that they have not yet come to realize... because custom TSO clients can be used to execute some pretty interesting operations. But that is for another time.

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I don't know much about the other things but the Angel Mist stuff doesn't go far enough. And it has nothing to do with Milton or whatever that was.

Angel Mist is a washed up blown out skank from Omaha Nebraska. She hides behind her fake religion and bible quotes and is nothing but an angry drunk that doesn't appreciate anything and always wants more. Instead of enjoying her life she sits at home fat and wasted and cries on the internet about problems she cause herself. Any time someone pushes back against her she yells rape and turns them into another enemy. She is a deluded narcissist that drives anyone dumb enough to try to be her friend away and then starts rumors about them. EVERY TIME. I don't care if this post plays right into her fucked up games, fuck you Angel. YOu bitch. You want to talk about your precious bible all day and then post pictures of all the drinks your sucking down and all the men you're sleeping with. If you actually went to church you would light on fire the second you walked in the door.

How many dicks was it this week? You fake whore. Cry about it on your bullshit discord channel where you already went and hid half your shit because you got scared that someone might see what a faker you are. Blame kiwi farms and the freeso moderators and kiki and whoever else you want for your bad behavior. Coughin and Zander didn't ruin your life. You did. If you were worth anything more than a hourly Walmart worker you would have been more.

You are just BORED and try to drink it and fuck it away and come up with a more interesting life then your life actually is. You embarrassed yourself in front of the whole freeso community and no matter what you do it will never go away. You are a pathetic loser. So again cry and whine about it except this time you don't have to make up any fake stuff for your next post because I am telling you to go fuck yourself whore. And don't call it rape this time you sick freak. It's the ass kicking you deserve. Go to the Crescent Moon Ale House and drink it away and then suck down some sushi at Koji to fill whatever void is left. You dirty skank.

If you want to see Angel cry go here to see her psychotic manifesto channel: https://discord.gg/Kr8thwEdJP
 
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Joined to say that all of the stuff about Seb is true and he is a mega creeper that abuses women. He thinks women are weak and chooses targets to stalk and demean. This is the kind of guy that would probably tie you up in his basement.

Angel Mist is also legitimately insane. She used to complain about stress caused by the game and then would post pictures from inside her doctor's office of them giving her shots. Who does that? How do you even start that conversation with your doctor? Stay far away from these people.
 
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Dammit Mandrake! said:
Come again? Are these games unsafe?
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The seventh image mentions that one of the games didn't bother with SSL certificates. And considering that current year was almost a decade ago, you would have to be completely nuts to give your information to one of these groups. I wonder if they even salt or hash user data. At least most of them are free services... like, mega super "at least" because even free services should be protecting this stuff.

What do you want to bet that the ones raking in all the cash and begging for a lawsuit by EA are not encrypting their user data? Because that's always how this shit goes down. And that is the general implication in the blog post. They're talking about Sim Nation most of the time with their jabs, it isn't hard to figure out. The OP is still pretty fresh in my mind so it seems clear to me. Too focused on the money to worry about protecting the suckers customers.
BackyardTornado said:
You are just BORED and try to drink it and fuck it away and come up with a more interesting life then your life actually is. You embarrassed yourself in front of the whole freeso community and no matter what you do it will never go away.
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Fucking nailed it. A bored aging blob of a woman that is never going to relive the glory days of being on her back in some dude's Crown Vic.
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Joined to say that all of the stuff about Seb is true and he is a mega creeper that abuses women. He thinks women are weak and chooses targets to stalk and demean. This is the kind of guy that would probably tie you up in his basement.

Angel Mist is also legitimately insane. She used to complain about stress caused by the game and then would post pictures from inside her doctor's office of them giving her shots. Who does that? How do you even start that conversation with your doctor? Stay far away from these people.
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Maybe you should introduce them to one another. She could probably use the thrill of bring chained to a pipe for a while. Seriously though, the idea of this person asking her doctor to let her take pictures of an injection site is equal parts hilarious and pathetic. Angel Mist orchestrates her own humiliation.

I'm sure most of the community is fine but the freaks of this community are a really nasty breed. Total sickos. I can't wait to see their pictures. Hurry up with that @Demon Mist!
 
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Too Many Catgirls said:
What do you want to bet that the ones raking in all the cash and begging for a lawsuit by EA are not encrypting their user data? Because that's always how this shit goes down. And that is the general implication in the blog post. They're talking about Sim Nation most of the time with their jabs, it isn't hard to figure out. The OP is still pretty fresh in my mind so it seems clear to me. Too focused on the money to worry about protecting the suckers customers.
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The credit card information and addresses are stored at Patreon, right? I am pretty sure that is how it works. But usernames/emails/passwords for the game client itself are probably completely viewable by the client operators and (from what it looks like) anyone that can get access to their database.

And this is likely true for other game clients as well. Whoa buddy!!

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Whoever called Angel a zoo exhibit should get a prize. You managed to piss her off so much that she set her entire channel to read only mode and bitched and moaned about it all day. I only have pictures from this morning but she dumped a whole bunch more about an hour ago and even started posting pictures of her blood pressure again to prove how NOT MAD she actually is. Angel also banned the user that called her a zoo animal which is pretty nuts because she hardly ever bans people because that is one less person who can read her rants. I've been watching her for a long time and it really is rare to see her ban a person from her Discord. She's also super focused on making sexual comments about people pointing and laughing at her because she's a fetish weirdo. I didn't even know she was a teacher. But I guess now I do. Kinda scary.

She also keeps harping on 4 year old drama this and 4 year old drama that and it's like bitch you are still talking about it and keeping it alive and now you've gotten the attention of even more people that don't even play freeso and are surprised!? You are the one that keeps bringing it up. People told you this would happen years ago. I told you this would happen years ago you idiot. I know you are reading this because you can't look away. You are finally getting the spotlight you always wanted. If you had fucked off and just played freeso like everyone else and didn't make it all about yourself all the time then maybe you wouldn't be here right now as the main event in a showcase of freeso's biggest weirdos. She has no understanding that most of the community hates her or only tolerates her enough when she shows up to keep her content so they can play the game in peace.

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BackyardTornado said:
Angel Mist is a washed up blown out skank from Omaha Nebraska. She hides behind her fake religion and bible quotes and is nothing but an angry drunk that doesn't appreciate anything and always wants more. Instead of enjoying her life she sits at home fat and wasted and cries on the internet about problems she cause herself. Any time someone pushes back against her she yells rape and turns them into another enemy. She is a deluded narcissist that drives anyone dumb enough to try to be her friend away and then starts rumors about them. EVERY TIME. I don't care if this post plays right into her fucked up games, fuck you Angel. YOu bitch. You want to talk about your precious bible all day and then post pictures of all the drinks your sucking down and all the men you're sleeping with. If you actually went to church you would light on fire the second you walked in the door.
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She also keeps harping on 4 year old drama this and 4 year old drama that and it's like bitch you are still talking about it and keeping it alive and now you've gotten the attention of even more people that don't even play freeso and are surprised!? You are the one that keeps bringing it up. People told you this would happen years ago. I told you this would happen years ago you idiot. I know you are reading this because you can't look away. You are finally getting the spotlight you always wanted. If you had fucked off and just played freeso like everyone else and didn't make it all about yourself all the time then maybe you wouldn't be here right now as the main event in a showcase of freeso's biggest weirdos.
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This game has some angry, spiteful motherfuckers. You love to see it. Angel sounds like a complete trash fire of a human being. Walk away from the computer and close your eyes!

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Wait, I have a CD case of this game I got in an old game lot. Could I load it on my computer/it'd still work/I could log in?

...or is that a bad idea, since I'd imagine it's mostly full of people stuck in 2003/weird sex stuff?
 
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Eventide said:
Wait, I have a CD case of this game I got in an old game lot. Could I load it on my computer/it'd still work/I could log in?
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The original game shut down a long time ago so your CD will not work anymore. As far as current game, it is all hosted and operated by fans using custom server software and a repackaged distribution of the original data. You can find links to those games around the OP. The largest one of those games that still runs (and doesn't require an invite) is Sim Nation, but it is strongly advised you do not use any emails, usernames or passwords that you have used elsewhere. DramaSO is another version that is pretty popular but it requires an invite which means you need to contact their Discord server and request one.
Eventide said:
...or is that a bad idea, since I'd imagine it's mostly full of people stuck in 2003/weird sex stuff?
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And also this.

The game is fun though as long as you avoid the community. But then you might as well play The Sims 2.
 
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