🐱 The sole function of the clitoris is female orgasm. Is that why it’s ignored by medical science?

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Professor Caroline de Costa is awaiting feedback. Several months ago the editor of the Australian and New Zealand Journal of Obstetrics and Gynaecology requested an editorial from a world-renowned Melbourne urologist to address what she saw as a lack of research and, more concerningly, a persistent lack of knowledge about an essential part of the female reproductive system.

The urologist, Professor Helen O’Connell, agreed. But a week after the editorial was published, De Costa’s inbox remains suspiciously silent. She suspects her colleagues, used though they are to dispassionate discussion of female genitalia, may be too embarrassed to write in.

The editorial was about the clitoris, an organ whose sole function is the female orgasm. And an alarming number of medical professionals remain uncomfortable discussing it.

“It is not discussed,” says De Costa, who is also a professor of obstetrics and gynaecology at James Cook University. “I go to conferences, I go to workshops, I edit the journal, I read other journals. I read papers all the time, and never do I find mention of the clitoris.”

The first comprehensive anatomical study of the clitoris was led by O’Connell and published in 1998. A subsequent study in 2005 examined it under MRI. It was not, O’Connell discovered, just a small nub of erectile tissue, described in some texts as the “poor homologue” of the penis. Instead it was an otherworldly shape, with the nerve-rich glans merely the external protrusion of an organ that extended beneath the pubic bone and wrapped around the vaginal opening, with bulbs that become engorged when aroused. It looked like an orchid. It was beautiful.

In the 20 years since that groundbreaking study was released, clitoral anatomy remains largely absent from the medical curriculum and from medical research. A literature review conducted by O’Connell’s team for her editorial in the Australian and New Zealand Journal of Obstetrics and Gynaecology found just 11 articles on anatomical dissection of the clitoris had been published worldwide since 1947. Hundreds more mentioned clitoral anatomy only as it related to procedures to restore sensation following a cliteradectomy, orfemale genital mutilation. Despite that work, O’Connell wrote, “we see literature doubting the importance of female orgasm, entertaining the argument that from an evolutionary standpoint, female orgasm could merely be a byproduct of selection on male orgasm”.

Speaking to Guardian Australia from her consulting rooms in East Melbourne, O’Connell says the view that the clitoris was at best unimportant and at worst shameful remained pervasive. She recalls a conversation at an awards night, in which one of her students won a prize for a study of the suspensory ligaments that hold the clitoris in place.

“The very senior figure directly across from me thought that her work was – and I was her supervisor, I don’t think he knew that – he thought it was voyeurism,” she says.

“She’s doing scientific research about anatomy, and that, in his world … ”

She pauses. “What happened to him, that he sees a young woman doing a project like that and thinks of it with a sexual innuendo? That is just, to me, unfathomably unrelated to the way my brain works.”

A rebellious doctorate​

When O’Connell was a medical student in the 1980s she was infuriated by her anatomy textbooks, which contained extensive anatomical drawings of the penis and registered the clitoris as a footnote.

“There’s the norm that’s the male, and then we’ve got kind of this subset over here who are not male,” she says. “And their unique characteristics are differences … there was a feeling that they were not whole people in the way that these other people are whole people and deserving of having their body parts having a full description.”

When she specialised in urology, she noticed that while attention was paid in prostate removal surgery to not harming the nerves that connected to penile erectile tissue, based on studies that were first conducted in the 1970s, there had been no similar work tracking clitoral nerves. She undertook a study on 12 cadavers following the nerves from the spinal column. “It was pretty clear that what we were looking at was kind of a shadow of an organ rather than the organ itself,” she says.

O’Connell then enrolled in a doctorate to study clitoral anatomy.

“I think the chances of a male realising there was a deficit when most of my female colleagues didn’t see it would have to be incredibly unlikely,” she says. “I think I was raised a little bit rebelliously.”

She is now able to describe the shape of the clitoris with the help of a 3D printed model that was designed in conjunction with Dr Ea Mulligan, a doctor from Adelaide who has made the manufacture and distribution of thousands of anatomically correct clitorises a retirement hobby. Mulligan distributes them at conferences and public health seminars, and is planning to set up a stall distributing free clitorises at Feast, Adelaide’s queer arts and culture festival, in November.

When I speak to her on the phone at her home in Adelaide, she offers to send me one of the three boxes, with 200 clitorises apiece, that is currently sitting on her back porch. A box has been sent to O’Connell, a box to De Costa, and a box to the professor of anatomy at a medical school in Dunedin, New Zealand, who was previously working with a pathology sample of a clitoris that “looks like a shred off of last week’s roast”.

“A lot of medical students and doctors I have handed them to have said ‘Oh I didn’t know it was as big as that’, because it’s been diminished in the medical literature,” Mulligan says. “It’s just a beautiful case study on the invisibility of women’s concerns in science, in medicine.”

When Mulligan studied medicine in the 1970s, she was working from an anatomy textbook that had one page on vulvar anatomy and “five pages of penises from every possible angle”.

It is only marginally better now. James Cook university, where de Costa teaches, holds a one-hour lecture in fifth year about the role of clitoris in sexual function. The curriculum to be a fellow of the Royal Australian and New Zealand College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists covers sexual function and related disorders, but not specifically the function of the clitoris. The college said it encourages “self-directed learning” and “acknowledges a long history of poor understanding of female anatomy and female sexuality”.

“RANZCOG supports all efforts to improve knowledge of genitourinary anatomy, physiology, and pathophysiology, with the aim of best practice in women’s health,” the college said in a statement.

The cliterati​

Back in her consulting rooms, O’Connell appears remarkably fresh for someone who was in a mortuary until 1am the night before. She was conducting a dissection to map the anatomy of the urethra as part of a global effort to combat female urethral cancer, she tells Guardian Australia.

With her neat glasses and dry, technical language, O’Connell does not appear the rebel. But then she talks, quite calmly, about subjects that would make many of her peers blush, and the rebel slips out.

Take orgasms. In 2016, O’Connell co-authored a paper that found, based on a series of macroscopic anatomical dissections, that there was no evidence of erectile tissue in the vaginal wall – in other words, that the G-spot did not exist. (O’Connell has stressed there was more work to be done on the subject, including mapping the urethra.) To date, the only known erectile tissue in the area is the clitoris, leading to the working theory that the G-spot is just the engorged bulbs of an aroused clitoris felt through the vaginal wall.

Importantly, that meant that the clitoris would have to be stimulated for that sensation to be felt. This is not a new fact to people with vaginas, but distributing it is an important part of ensuring they have healthy, satisfying sex lives.

That the majority of women and people with vaginas require clitoral stimulation to orgasm is “just a statement of fact”, O’Connell says. “Ignoring the clitoris and acting like that’s not the focus for orgasm is just not going to happen.”

She speculates – after specifying that she is not speaking as a urologist – that centuries of sexism, fed by unrealistic depictions of sex in Hollywood, have helped build the G-spot myth and minimise the role of the clitoris. And that encourages people to “go about things in a way that is likely to be counterproductive”.

“People want kind of a magical thing, where he gets off through penetration of the vagina and exactly what causes his joy causes her joy,” she says. “Almost everyone is going to fall short on the goal because the organs just don’t seem to be designed in this magical way that would fit with the kind of thrusting behaviour causing an orgasm.”

Outside of medical circles, O’Connell’s research has been enthusiastically embraced. US-based artist Sophia Wallace created a campaign on “cliteracy”, informing women about their own anatomy.

Wallace’s art brings an organ with a dark history into the light, O’Connell says, adding: “It’s cool, isn’t it?” She is unabashedly delighted by unintentionally sparking a feminist art movement. “It’s fantastic!” she says. “Who would ever have imagined something like that happening?”

Artists, says De Costa, have “undeniably” done a better job at incorporating clitorial anatomy into their work than the Royal Australian and New Zealand College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists.

Alli Sebastian Wolf, a Sydney based artist, created 100-1 scale anatomically correct gold clitoris, called the Glitoris, in 2017.

“I was in my mid-20s when I saw what a clitoris actually looked like and was kind of, first of all amazed by how wonderful it is, and second of all: how the fuck have we not been shown this or taught this? When I knew well before puberty what a fallopian tube and uterus shape was. Which, you know, far less important to my daily life,” she says.

The Glitoris can be hung in a gallery but achieved viral fame when Sebastian Wolf took it to the Women’s March, Mardi Gras and other public events, accompanied by the Cliterati – Sebastian Wolf and friends in gold unitards and blue wigs.

“A lot of people just thought it was a golden-y squid creature, a lot of people thought it was lungs, or a dragonfly, or testicles,” she says. “I met a couple of OB-GYNs who hadn’t known about it until the sculpture, which is horrifying.”

Sebastian Wolf says it can be easier for some people to talk about sex and sexual organs at a festival to a woman covered in glitter, than to their doctor. She is currently working on a one-storey high inflatable gold clitoris, but says she hopes knowledge of the clitoris will soon become so uncontroversial that making art about them would be as passé as making art about penises.

“It will hopefully get to the point where my art is totally irrelevant,” she says. “It would be great if the most interesting thing about it is if people were like ‘Oh, how did you get all those sequins on?’ Not, ‘What’s this and why don’t we know about it?’”

O’Connell’s aim is similarly modest: that female anatomy be considered equally alongside male anatomy. And that necessarily means overcoming an institutional and societal prejudice against women enjoying their own sexuality. It means studying the clitoris.
 
This is a science article that implies that people are shocked by a giant inflatable clitoris but would be totally comfortable around a similarly large inflatable penis.

A science article. Science.
The science doesn't lie.

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They (probably willfully) conflate apathy towards an organ that almost certainly never comes up in medical texts that do not deal in FGM and repercussions thereof or sexual pleasure with some kind of antipathy towards female sexuality and women in general.

This whining totally makes me care so much more about your little clittybuttons, ladies. Please, continue.
 
Just what in the fuck does the Devil's Trigger have to do with urology? Surely it serves no urinary/renal function. So is it within her purview just because it is sometimes in contact with piss?If that's the case, my trucks driver's side wheel is part of the urinary tract.
Stupid feminist bitch should stay in her lane
And apparently so should your truck driver.
 
You niggas need to learn to eat pussy.
You talk like I'm Indiana Jones-- I'm not finna enter the Temple of Doom.
Never in my life have I experienced a time when women would explicitly tell me to rub at their clitoris for titillation. And this will probably one of the few times I stoop to the lowbrow comment of "get laid, virgins".
I've had a lady call it her favorite body part and that, should we ever get to the point of having sex, I should be aiming there.

I have also had many women talk about men acting like the function of the clitoris is arcane knowledge. I'm very tempted to understand such complaints as an act-- for what purpose, I know not.
 
Exactly what about orgasm and the clitoris does medical science need elaboration on? Other than reconstructive surgery for female victims of sandniggers that slice off the clitoris of their victims I don't see it.
It's role in fertility, in childbirth, gynecological cancers, hormonal responses and the urinary tract just to name a few.

It is amazing to me how many men here are taking pride in their ignorance. "It serves no function other than orgasm." The whole point is that we don't know that because no one has ever bothered to do the research.

Stay in your lane, indeed.
 
You talk like I'm Indiana Jones-- I'm not finna enter the Temple of Doom.

I've had a lady call it her favorite body part and that, should we ever get to the point of having sex, I should be aiming there.

I have also had many women talk about men acting like the function of the clitoris is arcane knowledge. I'm very tempted to understand such complaints as an act-- for what purpose, I know not.
It's just a very small version of the glans penis, slightly less complex because no urethra/meatus, probably slightly more dense in nerve endings. It works similarly. During embryonic and fetal development the genitalia go from being this weird unisex thing to one of two forms as chromosomes/hormonal influences dictate. Most ladyparts have an analogue in manparts. The labia, clitoris etc. are basically a bifurcated, small penis and the penis is effectively a lengthened, enlarged labia/clitoris/urethra assembly. Even the clitoral hood is more or less analogous to the male prepuce. Actual intersex people fail to diverge in one direction or the other completely during fetal development, leaving them in various states of in-betweendom.

You might note on women with slightly larger clitorises that it bears a passing resemblance to a glans penis. That isn't a coincidence.
 
It's role in fertility, in childbirth, gynecological cancers, hormonal responses and the urinary tract just to name a few.

It is amazing to me how many men here are taking pride in their ignorance. "It serves no function other than orgasm." The whole point is that we don't know that because no one has ever bothered to do the research.

Stay in your lane, indeed.
Preeeeeeeety sure @Feline Supremacist is a lady. I don't know for certain, so if "she" could provide "proof"...

It's just a very small version of the glans penis, slightly less complex because no urethra/meatus, probably slightly more dense in nerve endings. It works similarly. During embryonic and fetal development the genitalia go from being this weird unisex thing to one of two forms as chromosomes/hormonal influences dictate. Most ladyparts have an analogue in manparts. The labia, clitoris etc. are basically a bifurcated, small penis and the penis is effectively a lengthened, enlarged labia/clitoris/urethra assembly. Even the clitoral hood is more or less analogous to the male prepuce. Actual intersex people fail to diverge in one direction or the other completely during fetal development, leaving them in various states of in-betweendom.

You might note on women with slightly larger clitorises that it bears a passing resemblance to a glans penis. That isn't a coincidence.
I think you misunderstood my inquiry.
 
I think you misunderstood my inquiry.
Possibly. Whatever, point still stands.
It's role in fertility, in childbirth, gynecological cancers, hormonal responses and the urinary tract just to name a few.

It is amazing to me how many men here are taking pride in their ignorance. "It serves no function other than orgasm." The whole point is that we don't know that because no one has ever bothered to do the research.

Stay in your lane, indeed.
Fertility? It's not tied to the release of an egg cell from its follicle in humans. If you're referring to how playing with it can result in more vaginal fluid being secreted, there's more than one way to get a woman sopping wet. Gynecological cancers? It's there, it's made of cells, it can presumably be a host for cancer cells. I imagine an appendix can potentially harbor cancer as well. To my knowledge it has no function in stopping cancer any more than a man's glans penis has in stopping penile cancer. Urinary tract? If you're referring to the incontinence issues that can result from it being surgically removed, probably. Good thing I have no interest in removing clitorises and take a dim view of people who like cutting them off. Urinary issues from clitorectomies are probably in large part from the amount of trauma inflicted on the area in the process, and I wouldn't rule out psychological trauma there either. I imagine it's rather traumatizing to have a piece of your nethers removed.
 
What does the appendix do?

Checkmate feminists.
It's a reservoir for healthy gut bacteria.
Removing the appendix results in an irreversible change in gut flora which results in arguably unhealthy bowl movements. Of course, far more preferable to having your appendix burst.
Really "vestigial organ" is a scientific myth. There are parts of the body which have far less comparable usage than related species, but even snakes which have "vestigial" limbs usually use them for grasping mates during reproduction. Organisms almost never stop using an organ until it is completely and totally gone.
 
It’s not the tiny part of the clitoris that you can see that is the issue. It’s the 90% that is an internal structure with two legs that wrap around the vagina and bladder stem.

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I see your problem there: the drive belt is threaded over the idler pulley. Never gonna work right like that.
 
Preeeeeeeety sure @Feline Supremacist is a lady. I don't know for certain, so if "she" could provide "proof"...
I am indeed a lady and a lady does not flash her tits, even on the internet. Also no one is telling the attention whore not to research the clitoris, we're just telling her to STFU and do it, then report if she finds anything new. @Tasty Tatty is right, she just sounds like she has huge case of penis envy.
 
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Just what in the fuck does the Devil's Trigger have to do with urology? Surely it serves no urinary/renal function. So is it within her purview just because it is sometimes in contact with piss?If that's the case, my trucks driver's side wheel is part of the urinary tract.
Stupid feminist bitch should stay in her lane
Wait a second...I have a Devil Trigger in my vagina?
 
It's role in fertility, in childbirth, gynecological cancers, hormonal responses and the urinary tract just to name a few.

It is amazing to me how many men here are taking pride in their ignorance. "It serves no function other than orgasm." The whole point is that we don't know that because no one has ever bothered to do the research.

Stay in your lane, indeed.

You're acting as if no reproductive research on women has been done. People have every right to shit over this article. I'll refrain from shitposting and explain. But first I need to go into some detail.

First thing. The male and female reproductive system are homologous to each other. What do I mean by this? Female is the default gender. Alright, here we go. Lets start from the top down. The foreskin is equivalent to the clitoral hood. The clitoris is equal to the glans penis. This is set back into the body. The shaft of the penis is then depressed into the female pelvic area. The scrotum is the fused labia. The testes are extended ovaries.

The penis, as a whole, is a huge part of reproductive male anatomy. In fact, it is extraordinarily important. It contains both the urethra, access to the bladder and the testes. It is directly connected to two major systems of the body: reproductive and excretory. It is basically over 50% of the male reproductive system.

Meanwhile, the clitoris does not access major systems of the female except being a small part of the reproductive system. It is not major. There's no 'clitoral cancer' (its vulva cancer). And even cancer of the Vulva is only 4%. About 40+% is caused by HPV. So if you've got an HPV vaccine, your chances of getting that sort of cancer is around 2% or less. Its probably about as rare as penile cancer. So its not going to be heavily investigated. Plus Vuvlar cancer is the entire vulva, not just the clitoris.

The article is making a false equivalency and creating problems out of nothing. Its thesis is 'LOOK HOW UNIMPORTANT FEMALE ANATOMY IS COMPARED TO THE MALE'. This is simply not the case. The clitoris is a small part of female reproductive anatomy. It doesn't affect: 1) Your ability to bear children 2) Increase disease in you 3) Gets cancer frequently 4) Is an opening into the other parts of the body 5) Produces chemicals, hormones or anything like that. This is the reason it isn't investigated as heavily as the uterus, the breasts, the ovaries, the vulva....or nearly any part of the other female parts of the anatomy. Is it important? Sure. Is it SPECIFICALLY important? Not really. If you lose sensation in your clitoris, or its damaged, there's not really much that can be done. Same with the penis. The article acts like we can magically do anything to the cock but we leave the clitoris alone because its 'scary'. Not true.

Medical science and medicine is all about triage. Can the clitoris have dangerous infections specific to it that can kill you? No. Can it impair your ability to bear children? No. These two having big 'nos' push it to the back of the line. Can the penis lead to dangerous infections that kill? Yes. Can the penis impair your ability to bear children? Yes. Hence, why the penis gets pushed ahead of the line. Its why the female urethra is more researched than the clitoris, because it can lead to dangerous infections and it can kill you. Same reason why the uterus and vagina are more studied than the clitoris.

The article is making assumptions that the female reproductive anatomy is 'less important' than the male. Not so. Its just that the female has a lot of parts that are removed and you have to prioritize which causes the most problems for what. So the clitoris is going to go to the back of the bus.

It also contains nonsense that the clitoris was looked under an MRI ages ago. Yes, and? Last I checked the clitoris wasn't buried under massive amounts of skin, muscle, fat and bone. The article also uses 'Oh, its so beautiful AND mysterious! Fuck men, am i rite?' A false equivalency.

A lot of this also stems from bitterness in that men have a pill for sexual desire and dysfunction but women don't. All Viagra does is cause blood to flow to the dick. That's it. Its an extraordinarily simple process. Female arousal is incredibly complex and the equivalent to the male pill is vaginal lubrication, which is solved by a vaginal lubricant. You know, a $6 solution, rather than a multi-billion dollar solution that will probably fuck with your hormones. Again, this is because of triage. If dryness is your problem, medicine is not going to want to make a pill that fucks with you because it will do more harm than good. It is simpler to just get a bottle of KY and go at it. Now if dryness is a symptom of a larger problem, that's different. But if that is your only symptom and the only problem with sexual dysfunction, there's no reason to get a pill. In fact, there is a pill. But it is so fucking terrible and was only approved because of this politically correct reason that shamed the FDA into approving it (thanks to a billion dollar lobby too).

The fact that people are bitching about the vulva (the majority of female reproductive anatomy is internal) compared to the penis (the majority of male reproductive anatomy is external) is fucking idiotic. Yeah, no fucking shit there's going to be five pages of dick picks with one page of the vulva. Because that's a large majority of the male reproductive anatomy.

Basically, if it can't kill you, it can't be easily fixed, doesn't impair your life or your reproductive health, medicine is not going to be interested in it. Breast cancer is highly researched. So is uterine cancer. The female reproductive anatomy is still being broken down along with its hormonal balance. If it wasn't, we wouldn't have IUDs and birth control pills. The clitoris, I'd argue, is a small part of a much more important whole...when it comes to medicine, which in reproductive health is concerned with it not rotting off, killing you, or having to do with having kids. That's just the way it is because money isn't infinite and we have to tackle the largest problems first. Also, if you're going to say, "WELL THEY HAVE DICK PILL RESEARCH", Viagra was discovered on accident. It was a shitty heart med that had the side effect of giving guys boners. It was nowhere even close to being intentionally researched. Same with male hair-loss pill: Propecia. It was discovered on accident as well. Research only occured after these accidental discoveries were made.

You also have to look at this from a funding and political perspective, ESPECIALLY in terms of medicine. These researchers are REALLY fucking bitter that they're not getting more funding, so they make it a political issue. You notice in the article that the majority of their work on the clitoris is not even dysfunction or nerve related, but anatomical related? That should cause alarm bells to be going off in your head. Its not talking about disease, dysfunction, impairment or anything related to the clitoris. Its talking about how beautiful it is or how many pages a penis gets or how these researchers are getting persecuted for looking into its structure.

Does the article go into why and how the clitoris would be important? No. Its just assumed. Does it describe any conditions or problems which are being overlooked because the clitoris is unknown? No. And let me assure you, every part of the human animal has been sliced open, apart and viewed under a histological slide. And if these people want to be researching the clitoris, its telling to me that they're doing macro anatomical work and not looking microscopically.

Does the clitoris differ from erectile tissue besides its innervation? Does it contain any glands or pores that secrete chemicals and hormones? What sort of pathology results from clitoral dysfunction? Or dozens of other questions. For example, female reproductive system: Why are vaginal muscles important? Because if there is dysfunction in vaginal muscle tone, the epithelium of the vagina can prolapse. That is ONE very important reason for one part of the female reproductive anatomy. I've read nothing in the article describing why not researching the clitoris is a problem. It just automatically assumes it is. It is not informing me of what benefits could be gained. It isn't even HYPOTHESIZING. It is telling me nothing of importance as to why I should care. Its only yelling "SEXISIM IN MEDICINE IS CAUSING THE CLIT TO NOT BE RESEARCHED AND THAT'S BAD". Is it telling me why its bad? No. Its not even providing me with rudimentary information as to how this could help women. Why is it wasting words on sculpture and some flowery bullshit feminist garbage instead of getting to the meat and potatoes as to why this is a health problem for women. It automatically assumes it is. When you can't do that. You have to tell me.

You know why they aren't? Here:

It is only marginally better now. James Cook university, where de Costa teaches, holds a one-hour lecture in fifth year about the role of clitoris in sexual function. The curriculum to be a fellow of the Royal Australian and New Zealand College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists covers sexual function and related disorders, but not specifically the function of the clitoris.

Because its already covered. The function of the clitoris is a huge bundle of nerves and tissue to assist in the female orgasm which increases reproductive success. I just described its function. The female orgasm, which is largely mediated by the clitoris, causes the cervix to contract and suck up male sperm, aiding with reproduction. Done again. Its not vestigal, it has important reproductive purpose.

Now, I've described the purpose. Is there a purpose beyond this? Yes or no? The article doesn't say. Why aren't the medical researchers doing important microscopic and histological studies? The article doesn't say.

The article isn't telling you why it should be researched. It is just saying that it should be. That's simply not good enough. Medical research is incredibly expensive. If its not going to kill you or impair your reproductive health, interest drops massively. If they can't say why its important, that is a massive fucking problem. They should be shouting it from the heavens. They aren't. They're just saying to give them money.

Look at it from another angle: Is there a reason why I should fund clitoral research over breast cancer research, or research into the ovaries and uterus? Or researching a non-hormonal female method of birth control? Or reducing cancer rates in women by focusing on other parts of gynecological health? If you can't even give hypothetical reasons why you think you should get money over other aspects of women's reproductive health, then your cause is not as important as you think it is. They're not even giving you why they think its important. They're just asking you to assume it is. And sorry, medical science just doesn't work that way.
 
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Articles like these are when you truly see how many males are on kf, and how many males really don't give a shit about females.

I am not saying that this article is the bees knees, or that it's worthy of high esteem, and I do agree that there are concepts in there that don't need to be applied.

It is complete bullshit that females in science are just as important, and have just as much research done on them.

The whole of psychology is made up of MALE DOMINATED SYMPTOMS. There are still very few diagnosis criteria that actually take into account the differences in male and female symptoms.

Females didn't matter back then, and it's taking a lot of perseverance from females to start getting medical criteria changed to take them into account.

I have a lot more to say but I'm so frustrated by this attitude, and it's not just from males, females have conned themselves that 'professionals' know everything, that what they say is the only truth, and that they should never ever look into anything themselves...

Here is just one example, specific to female orgasm AND it's function in reproduction, in which the clitoris plays a large part, as majority of females cannot orgasm from only PIV (how many males now feel conned?).

'The Upsuck Theory​

Another theory of how female orgasm may help with pregnancy achievement is called the upsuck theory. This hypothesis is that the contractions of the uterus help "suck up" the semen that gets deposited in the vagina, near the cervix. The orgasm then helps to move the sperm through the uterus and fallopian tubes.

One study actually measured the amount of semen "flowback" (how much semen leaked out after sex). They discovered that when female orgasm occurred a minute or less before male ejaculation, sperm retention was greater. If female orgasm didn't happen within a minute of male ejaculation—before male ejaculation, specifically—lower sperm retention occurred.3

What if orgasm happened after male ejaculation? Researchers found that as long as the woman has an orgasm up to 45 minutes after, sperm retention was higher. This study did not, however, look at pregnancy rates. If pregnancy rates are higher with female orgasm, it's unclear by how much.'
 
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Articles like these are when you truly see how many males are on kf, and how many males really don't give a shit about females.

I am not saying that this article is the bees knees, or that it's worthy of high esteem, and I do agree that there are concepts in there that don't need to be applied.

It is complete bullshit that females in science are just as important, and have just as much research done on them.

The whole of psychology is made up of MALE DOMINATED SYMPTOMS. There are still very few diagnosis criteria that actually take into account the differences in male and female symptoms.

Females didn't matter back then, and it's taking a lot of perseverance from females to start getting medical criteria changed to take them into account.

I have a lot more to say but I'm so frustrated by this attitude, and it's not just from males, females have conned themselves that 'professionals' know everything, that what they say is the only truth, and that they should never ever look into anything themselves...
You misunderstand what symptoms are. Symptoms result from a pathological dysfunction in the body. Describing those symptoms is something else. How are they different? I've been in medical research for my entire life. Symptoms are symptoms. Nausea is nausea. I don't know how you want people to describe that. Male dominated? What's female dominated? Nobody knows if what they feel is identical. We try the best we can. But by in large, medicine is what people report. And I've not seen a big enough difference in what females report over males. I've never even heard of this issue cropping up.

In terms of reproductive health, sure, description is going to differ. But....all the diagnostics and symptoms from female reproductive health are reported from women. Because men can't experience them. And you can't experience what men feel. We're basing this off general feelings. Nausea is going to be different from person to person. So is pain. Pain thresholds are different from person to person. In fact, women have higher pain thresholds than men. And even genetically, redheads are more susceptible to certain types of pain than others. So you've got individual difference, along with female symptoms being reported from females. We try to account for this as best we can. If you know a better way to lessen confusion, I'm honestly all ears. Like seriously, tell me. I'm not being sarcastic.

Psychology is not medical science. What you're talking about is diagnosing conditions, which is way way down into OB/GYN and Primary Care territory. That is far, far outside of medical science. Medical science is me looking at a cadaver, analyzing tissue. It looks at that tissue in relation to the body. I'm not asking about symptomology. I'm asking about what I can physically observe and test. I can observe infections. I can observe cancers. You cannot test for pain. You cannot test for discomfort. You can't see pain in an autopsy or under a microscope. You can see conditions that MAY cause pain.

If you're talking about discomfort and dysfunction, that's not what this article is talking about. Plenty of people have back problems that have no anatomical or nerve basis. Some people present and have massive, agonizing back pain. Yet, physiologically, chemically, even mentally, there's nothing wrong with them. This is going to hold true for men and women. If you can't find a disease state, abnormalities or anything, but they're still experiencing symptoms, that cause is likely going to be extremely difficult to find, if current medical science can find it at all. Its not a problem limited to women.

I am not talking about interviewing women. I'm talking about taking apart a body, looking it under a microscope. I'm talking about genetic abnormalities. I'm talking about structural abnormalities. I'm talking about infections, cancer. Things that will lead to pain, discomfort and impairment. Physical signs. Organisms. Bacteria.

What conditions to the clitoris are urgent and need medical research? If you have no conditions, what do you think you can find? If you can find these, will they result in better patient outcomes than research in other areas of the female reproductive system? These are VERY basic questions. Money into this research means money doesn't go into other research. Meaning that there are real, defined problems that won't get solved because I'm investing into this. I'm asking, very plainly, what is the benefit to that risk? If you can't answer these very basic questions, then yeah, I'm going to doubt what you're doing.
 
Secret Asshole sorry I wasn't specifically replying to you, by the time I got to your post I was as frustrated as fuck, and there are no 'I agree but not to all of what you said' options to pick.

I haven't got the mental capabilities, to reply directly to either of your comments right now, hopefully I'll remember to come back before too much time has passed.
 
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