Disaster The three-year cruise is canceled - Do Not Redeem, Rich People!

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They had signed up for the experience of a lifetime: three years traveling the world from the comfort of a cruise ship, at prices that rivaled regular living expenses.

But now the dream is over for passengers who’d signed up for Life at Sea Cruises’ inaugural three-year voyage. After weeks of silence, the company has acknowledged to passengers that it has no ship, and has canceled the departure, vowing to refund those who’d signed up for cruises costing up to hundreds of thousands of dollars.


The cruise was originally due to depart Istanbul, Turkey, on November 1, but shortly before that date, departure was postponed to November 11 and relocated to Amsterdam in the Netherlands, and then to November 30, again from Amsterdam. But on November 17 – less than two weeks before the third departure date – passengers were informed the cruise was off.

Some of the passengers who booked the 111 cabins sold are still in Istanbul, having made their way there ahead of the original departure date. Others say they have nowhere to return to, having sold or rented out their homes in anticipation of the round-the-world voyage, as well as jettisoning their possessions.

Most have spent tens of thousands of dollars on what was meant to be the experience of a lifetime, and now face a wait of at least several months to get their money back. The company has said it will make repayments in monthly installments, starting from mid-December and completing repayments in late February. It has also offered to pay for accommodation until December 1 and flights home for anyone now stranded in Istanbul. But some say they have no homes to return to.

“There’s a whole lot of people right now with nowhere to go, and some need their refund to even plan a place to go – it’s not good right now,” said one passenger, who wished to remain anonymous until they get their promised refund.

Running aground​

Life at Sea Cruises had been planning to buy the AIDAaura, a ship retired this summer by AIDA Cruises, a German subsidiary of Carnival Corp. It was due to be rechristened as the MV Lara. The company had originally slated the sale to go through by the end of September, before working on the ship in dry dock in Germany, then renovating it before sailing to Istanbul to start the cruise.

But after six weeks of uncertainty, during which Life at Sea repeatedly told guests that the sale was taking longer than planned, on November 16 another company, Celestyal Cruises, announced that it had bought the AIDAaura.

A day later, Life at Sea’s former CEO Kendra Holmes – who had resigned days earlier and said she was not speaking on behalf of the parent company, Miray Cruises – recorded a 15-minute video for passengers, admitting that the cruise would not be going ahead. It’s unclear why Holmes was chosen to make the announcement, which was provided to CNN by a passenger. She has declined to comment to CNN.

Forty eight hours after Holmes’ video, passengers received a message from Vedat Ugurlu, the owner of Miray Cruises, which owns Life at Sea. Declaring himself “extremely sorry for the inconvenience,” he confirmed the cruise would not be departing as planned. The reason: they couldn’t afford the ship.

In his message, Ugurlu claimed that “Miray is not such a big company to afford to pay 40-50 million for a ship,” but that it had “presented the project to investors, and had official approval from some of them to buy the vessel.”

He said that while the company had made the down payment for the ship, the investors “declined to support us further due to unrest in the Middle East.”

Hamas attacked Israel on October 7, a week after the ship’s sale was originally supposed to have concluded. Life at Sea didn’t respond to a query about what prior unrest they were referring to that could have impeded the completion of the transaction.

Ugurlu also told passengers that day that the company then tried and failed to buy another ship, and that it was working on a third.

“If we will not be able to sail on December 1, we will offer you to sail on another departure date or refund all the payments within a short schedule,” he wrote. “We have tried everything to make your dreams come true and we will continue to do so.”

He added that the company could, in theory, launch the cruise on the MV Gemini, Miray’s smaller ship which it had originally planned for the voyage, before deciding it was too small.

“We choose not to because we have promised you a larger, newer vessel,” he wrote. The Gemini is at the heart of a defamation lawsuit brought by Miray against former managing director of Life at Sea Cruises, Mikael Petterson, who was one of several employees to split from the team in May. The lawsuit states that Petterson called the ship “unseaworthy” – a claim that Miray vehemently denied.

Ups and downs​

Just a day after Ugurlu’s glimmer of hope, another staff member of Life at Sea, Chief Operating Officer Ethem Bayramoglu messaged passengers to confirm that the cruise was off. “In case we weren’t clear, the Life at Sea cruise trip is canceled,” Bayramoglu wrote, giving instructions on the refund process, and how passengers can retrieve “pods” full of their belongings – which they’d shipped in advance of the cruise.

Yet at the same time, Bayramoglu added, the company “intend to honor our commitments.”

“Although we are all disappointed and frustrated that we didn’t sail this time, it is important to us that you feel positive overall about your experience with us,” the message reads. “Vedat in particular is still hopeful that Miray will someday soon have an option for you to consider.”

Bayramoglu subsequently met with stranded passengers in Istanbul to help plan their returns home.


Stormy waters​

Would-be cruisers – who wanted to remain anonymous until their refunds come through – have told CNN of their shock and dismay that the trip has been canceled. Some had sold their homes or wound up businesses to join the cruise.

“I’m very sad, angry and lost,” said one. “I had the next three years of my life planned to live an extraordinary life, and now [I have] nothing. I’m having a hard time moving forward.

“I was proud and feeling brave, now I don’t trust anyone or anything. I know it’ll work out and life will go on, but I’m uncertain of the direction.”

Another said they felt “incredibly sad and incredibly betrayed.”

“The company seems to have no consideration about what they’ve done to our lives,” they said.

“I never imagined I’d be in this position as a senior citizen.”

They also lamented the loss of community that had been built in the run-up to the cruise: “I was looking forward to building friendships – that’s what made it different from a regular cruise. We were all of the same mindset and all started with the same thing in common.”

A third, speaking just before the cruise was confirmed as canceled, said they were feeling “let down, deceived and betrayed.”


Jumping ship​

In the meantime, Life at Sea’s erstwhile CEO, Kendra Holmes, who resigned last week, claims she’s planning to offer a new long-term cruise with a different company.

In her 15-minute video address to Life at Sea passengers on Friday – despite having already resigned from the company – she solicited interest in a long-term, round-the-world cruise offered by a new company that she’ll be working with, which she named as HLC Cruises.

Holmes didn’t respond to questions from CNN, but a spokesperson for HLC Cruises, who said they were on the company board, confirmed Holmes was the company’s new CEO and told CNN: “We have nothing to do with Life at Sea, we do not want our name to be associated with them, but we are working on something and are trying to help people who are left without homes if we can.” Its website currently advertises “boutique cruise liners” selling duty free gold bullion, diamonds and gems onboard.

Holmes told stranded Life at Sea passengers that if 60 or 70 of them “transferred” to the new company, they would be able to “get something going” by the first week of December, and already had approval from the HLC board to do so.

The company would get a temporary ship to sail for three or four months, she said, while purchasing a permanent vessel for a longer voyage to start next year. If Life at Sea passengers didn’t take up the offer, she said, they’d also be looking to launch a long-term cruise in October 2024.

“There’s a lot of ships out there so we’ll get something in place probably early next week then start looking for a permanent vessel,” she said on November 17 – before updating them via social media 72 hours later that the offer of a temporary cruise was, in fact, off, and that HLC was “targeting an official start date sometime in March.”

“People got their hopes up once again only to be dashed a few days later – I’m surprised no one in the group has had a heart attack,” said one would-be passenger.

Meanwhile, Villa Vie Residences – the company set up by Petterson and the other former Life at Sea staffers who left in May to start their own rival business – is promising low deposits and guaranteed introductory rates for anyone who wants to join them. They do not as yet have a ship or a launch date, either.

Life at Sea Cruises and Miray Cruises did not respond to specific questions from CNN, but sent a statement from Ugurlu addressed to passengers citing “investor withdrawal” causing “challenges” to the project. The letter was sent to CNN November 21 and spoke about a potential upcoming cruise date – despite the cruise having already been canceled.

“While we’re in talks to acquire a similar vessel, if the December 1 sail is jeopardized, we offer alternative departure dates or expedited refunds,” said the statement, which went on to describe the refund process.

“As we navigate these challenges, we are actively working on creating alternative plans for the future, ensuring an unforgettable experience for our valued community,” it concluded.

“I regret any inconvenience and assure you of our commitment.”

One passenger from the failed cruise, however, is feeling more than inconvenienced.

“I’m in a state of disbelief that they’ve done this to us,” they said, adding that staff had started out “eager and confident, and then the past few months just slowly disappeared.”

“I can’t even begin to wrap my head around the disappointment of losing this opportunity,” they said.

“I don’t think they will ever understand how much damage they’ve caused us.”
 
This is a huge concern. I imagine many, if not most, of the would be passengers were senior citizens. You know more than a handful would die out there. You're going to have a bunch of people who need to make sure they have three years of available medication and medical exams. What if Grandpa needs emergency heart surgery? How's that gonna work on the open sea? I'd love to know what this three year cruise company's plan for medical care was. Even if it was a ship full of young, healthy people there are still going to be emergencies and illness.
On normal cruises, there's a small medical staff--they're aware that their passengers skew older. This sounds like a lot of pie-in-the-sky so I suspect nobody here thought about the difference in a long-term care cruise. Like you said, as we get older, it's a pretty risky gamble that you won't have one single acute medical issue--or even a scare--for three years straight.

Most cruiselines staff with just doctors and RNs, whom they crosstrain to cover ancillary roles like Lab and rad tech, because there are a lot of falls. Requirements vary but they usually want ICU/ED experience; you're either going to treat and street or you're going to be keeping a passenger stable until the ship gets to where it can rendezvous with a medevac.

If someone dies, it stops being an emergency. They go in the cold storage next to the flower arrangements, not the food.
 
What if Grandpa needs emergency heart surgery? How's that gonna work on the open sea? I'd love to know what this three year cruise company's plan for medical care was.

I've had some palliative family members continue to travel on cruise ships even when no insurer would cover them.

One astute one researched a private medievac insurance plan that would repatriate them wherever they were in the world back to Castro Jr's maple-flavoured socialist healthcare paradise.

It was never put to the test though. But it at least gave some learned elders enough peace of mind that they felt comfortable enough to chance traveling until they could no longer.
 
Cruise ships have a medical staff with actual doctors, and I would at least assume that they're set for dealing with significant injury, as it will look bad if some passenger bleeds out a thousand miles from shore because they couldn't handle a drunk falling on a bottle and slicing himself up badly. But there's no way they're going to be able to handle some old guy stroking out or having a heart attack in the middle of the ocean. Anything requiring surgery right fucking now is SOL. In this three-year-cruise scenario you'd better hope you don't have any undiagnosed medical conditions creep in either, as I'd expect they're not equipped to screen for all the things doctors usually look for in annual checkups. If you get home from your three years on the sea and find out that they found the cancer two years too late to treat it, welp.

That said, definitely have travel insurance that covers medical emergencies. My grandmother got appendicitis in the middle of a cruise, wound up having to board an emergency flight from the Caribbean back to the US for surgery, would have cost untold thousands of dollars if she hadn't had insurance. Several travel credit cards have free automatic travel insurance that applies to anything you purchase through them, so be sure to use something like that or buy a supplemental insurance before booking long distance travel anywhere, 'cause if your body craps out in the middle of some random foreign country, you'd best have a plan in place to get decent medical care.
 
Oh, fuck me. I went to their website, they were trying to sell the interior cabins, starting at 38 thousand per person per year. I can barely comprehend the horror of being confined to a windowless tiny box for three years in a boat. Hold on, I've got to find a picture to really represent just how godawful those cabins would be.
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That is an interior cabin on the Aura. It's just a bed. There's doubtless a bathroom behind the photographer for this photo, but aside from the bathroom/closet, that is the extent of the cabin. Three. Years.
When you're on a liner you're not expected to be in your cabin unless you're sleeping. It's a bedroom, not a house.
 
When you're on a liner you're not expected to be in your cabin unless you're sleeping. It's a bedroom, not a house.
Yeah but are you really going to socialize with the same people for 16 hours a day for three years?

You're right about the intention of cruise ships but that's exactly why no cruise has lasted 3 years before.
 

How to Retire on a Cruise Ship​

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If you enjoyed cruises during vacations, it may be appealing to think about moving onboard permanently in retirement. Cruising has become increasingly accessible during the last decade and continues to provide a somewhat leisurely mode to explore the world. While the idea of setting sail and enjoying a plethora of amenities can be attractive, there are logistics to consider before signing up for long-term cruising.
To investigate retirement on a cruise ship, you'll want to:
  • Understand what's involved with the lifestyle.
  • Look at your finances and set a budget.
  • Review options for the services you need.
  • Consider how your social life will be impacted.
  • Outline your priorities and talk to family.
Use the following information as a starting point to help you decide if you should spend your retirement years on a cruise ship.


How to Retire on a Cruise Ship



Living as a retiree at sea isn't as simple as purchasing a ticket and stepping on board. There are many different routes, trip lengths, price points and ship sizes to consider. If you've never been on a cruise, you might try out several to see if you enjoy the rhythm and are comfortable at sea. For those who have only gone on short-term cruises, such as weekend getaways or weeklong trips, it might be beneficial to try out a three-month cruise to see if an extended trip is still enjoyable.
John and Melody Hennessee from Port Salerno, Florida, decided to travel during their retirement years. They have settled on cruising, and even became owners of a residence on Storylines MV Narrative, a residential ship in development and set to sail in 2026. The ship is designed to enable global citizens to carry out a healthy and active lifestyle while traveling throughout the world. "It's so special to live out this dream every day while getting to see and hear the ocean," they say.
Before retiring on a cruise ship, go through your belongings on land and aim to downsize. Also think through your health conditions, and if you'll be able to get medical assistance if needed.


Cruise Ship Retirement Options



You might aim to spend your entire time sailing on one ship, or you could move around. Some cruise lines offer cabins for sale, allowing you to own your place at sea. Other ships accommodate extended trips, such as 180 days or more.
You also need to decide what to do about your current housing situation. You might rent your home while you set sail or divide your time between cruising and living on land. While it's possible to sell your residence and permanently commit to the cruise life, you'll want to think about long-term options, such as what you'll do if you go cruising for a year and then want to settle somewhere else.


Cruise Ship Retirement Costs



The amount you spend on cruising will depend on where you want to travel and the amenities you choose. "Rates are negotiated based on duration, cabin type and past passenger status," says Annie Scrivanich, senior vice president of Cruise Specialists, which is headquartered in Seattle.
The average cruise fare in 2023 ranges between $130 and $260 per day, according to Cruzely.com data. However, factors that impact price include the cruise line, the ship, the dates of your cruise, cabin type and trip length. There is also spending to consider, and you might be able to get a discounted rate for long-term travel.
You can monitor travel sites to watch for price drops. Also contact the cruise line to ask about services for long-term guests, such as arranging for family and friends to join you occasionally or allowing you to go home for a special event and then rejoin the ship.


Pros of Retirement on a Cruise Ship



If you love to see new places, cruising provides an opportunity to see the world, especially areas where you might not otherwise venture. "With longer-term cruising, specifically those trips that last weeks or months, you get to visit faraway places that can't be reached on shorter cruises," says Tanner Callais, founder and editor of Cruzely.com, based in Austin, Texas.
"There are around-the-world cruises that last months and can take you to Asia, Europe, South America and all points in between," Callais says.
You might develop new and unique relationships on board. Over time, you will likely become familiar with the ship's crew and may feel a sense of belonging. Due to your extended presence, "you'll receive extra care and attention while on board the ship," Scrivanich says. "You will be able to enjoy resort-style living surrounded by fellow travelers with similar interests." Readily available entertainment and excursions could provide opportunities to socialize and stay active.
The carefree retirement lifestyle could be attractive too. "There is no home maintenance, meals to prepare, house to clean or any other of the daily chores that take up so much time," Callais says.


Cons of Retirement on a Cruise Ship



Staying close to family and watching grandchildren grow could be difficult when you're at sea for months or years at a time. You might also grow weary of the frequent stops cruise ships make, along with your lack of control over the time spent at ports. For instance, you may want to tour a city for a full week, but the ship might only stop for two days. With unlimited food and drink available, it could be hard to maintain a goal weight.
If you're interested in a side job during retirement, in-person work opportunities could be limited. You might be able to work remotely if there is steady Wi-Fi available.
There are also medical considerations to keep in mind. "A prospective shipboard retiree must be in good health, as the cruise lines certainly aren't equipped to function as an assisted living facility," says David Yeskel, a travel journalist known as The Cruise Guru and based in Santa Monica, California.
Medicare coverage is limited outside of the United States, and it won't pay for health care services provided when the ship is more than six hours away from a U.S. port. You may have to purchase private health insurance for travel. While there are basic medical services on board cruise ships, they tend to focus on emergency care, which could make regular checkups difficult to schedule.

How to Retire Overseas​

These strategies will help you transition into retirement abroad.
Kathleen PeddicordJune 2, 2023
 
There's actually one of these ships sailing around now. They have actual apartments on the ship though, and when they become available they sell for $2m - $15m a piece. Seems like these people were trying to create the dollar store version of it, by just taking an old ship & not reconfiguring the rooms to be bigger. Remember folks, if it seems to good to be true, then it probably is.

 
This would have ended up as J.G. Ballard's High-Rise, realigned along a horizontal axis for people who have difficulty climbing multiple flights of stairs.

The only other major difference would be that the dog legs would be deep-fried and served with an orange and chilli glaze in the Serene Sunsets restaurant, as opposed to being barbecued on a balcony.
 
If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is. You only have yourself to blame.

A 3 year cruise sounds like a fucking nightmare to be honest. Most cruises I have ever seen look tacky and nouveau-riche as fuck with a shitload of goyslop and consumerist garbage everywhere. Not to mention the hell it would probably be on your health and psyche.
Yeah the Carnival and similar cruise lines are just mobile floating Motel 6 tier rooms.with a tacky mall attached.

There ARE nicer cruise lines and cruises but you have to look.
I've been on a couple cruises, and being confined on one for three years would probably drive me bugfuck insane. Let's assume that, with 111 cabins reported as sold, they were only selling exterior cabins. A ship that size would have far, far more cabins if they were booking the shitty interior cabins too. But even the exterior cabins are small as fuck, here's a picture I pulled of one on that ship:
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You have a bed, a couple chairs, a tiny-ass desk, and about 20 square feet of empty floor, just enough for a person to be able to walk around the furniture. Imagine spending years in that room. The ship has four restaurants and six bars on it. How many hundreds of times walking into the exact same dining room would it take for someone to work up a real loathing for it?

Now it's possible that the boomers got told that the boat was going to be completely refit, made into all suite-sized cabins, more and nicer dining areas, etc. But consider me skeptical, because tearing down walls and such on a boat is horrendously expensive, as many of the walls are structurally important and literally holding up the rest of the ship against the stresses of bouncing around on the ocean. If this outfit couldn't even afford to buy the ship as-is, they super couldn't afford to buy it and then completely gut it.
Ouch. A recipe for cabin fever or insanity.
Oh, fuck me. I went to their website, they were trying to sell the interior cabins, starting at 38 thousand per person per year. I can barely comprehend the horror of being confined to a windowless tiny box for three years in a boat. Hold on, I've got to find a picture to really represent just how godawful those cabins would be.
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That is an interior cabin on the Aura. It's just a bed. There's doubtless a bathroom behind the photographer for this photo, but aside from the bathroom/closet, that is the extent of the cabin. Three. Years.
$38k for THAT??? A better bet for a Western geriatric would be to liquidate assets and go to prison for a minor crime in a minimum security prison for 1-3 years.
Why would you want to live on a cruise ship for three years?
Insane people or old men would want the ship to dock at every brothel within sight of the coast on Earth every 1-3 weeks.
I can only imagine that if people were in the market to blow that much money, they were going for the exterior and balcony cabins. But getting a window in your cabin costs $65k+, and they wanted $98k for a balcony, which mind you was still a tiny-ass room, but it at least had a sliding door and enough room to sit outside.
Jesus, almost a $100k a YEAR for a 1.5 room cabin with a small balcony.
 
He said that while the company had made the down payment for the ship, the investors “declined to support us further due to unrest in the Middle East.”

Can we pause and admire the fact that boomers did this to themselves?

"Israel has a right to exist!"
>war happens, trip canceled
"NO, NOT LIKE THAT!"

Get fucked, boomer scum. Maybe beg your millennial kids you kicked out if you can live with them. lol
 
Ugurlu claimed that “Miray is not such a big company to afford to pay 40-50 million for a ship,” but that it had “presented the project to investors, and had official approval from some of them to buy the vessel.”

He said that while the company had made the down payment for the ship, the investors “declined to support us further due to unrest in the Middle East.”

Hamas attacked Israel on October 7, a week after the ship’s sale was originally supposed to have concluded
. Life at Sea didn’t respond to a query about what prior unrest they were referring to that could have impeded the completion of the transaction.
I wonder who these (((investors))) were.
:thinking:
 
Cruise ships have a medical staff with actual doctors, and I would at least assume that they're set for dealing with significant injury, as it will look bad if some passenger bleeds out a thousand miles from shore because they couldn't handle a drunk falling on a bottle and slicing himself up badly. But there's no way they're going to be able to handle some old guy stroking out or having a heart attack in the middle of the ocean. Anything requiring surgery right fucking now is SOL. In this three-year-cruise scenario you'd better hope you don't have any undiagnosed medical conditions creep in either, as I'd expect they're not equipped to screen for all the things doctors usually look for in annual checkups. If you get home from your three years on the sea and find out that they found the cancer two years too late to treat it, welp.

You'd find out right quick how reliant Western ER docs are on CT scanners to diagnose anything.

That's of course if they even go so far to employ a Western-trained MD in the first place.

That said, definitely have travel insurance that covers medical emergencies. My grandmother got appendicitis in the middle of a cruise, wound up having to board an emergency flight from the Caribbean back to the US for surgery, would have cost untold thousands of dollars if she hadn't had insurance. Several travel credit cards have free automatic travel insurance that applies to anything you purchase through them, so be sure to use something like that or buy a supplemental insurance before booking long distance travel anywhere, 'cause if your body craps out in the middle of some random foreign country, you'd best have a plan in place to get decent medical care.

Your grandmother was lucky that appendicitis is just about the only truly random Act of God emergency that can't be chalked up to a pre-existing condition.

Any travel insurance that doesn't require a lengthy questionnaire or an actual physical won't cover anything short of a healthy 20-year-old getting hit by a bus.

The lengthy questionnaires they make seniors fill out for more comprehensive coverage are also a scam. They are structured deliberately with vague and technical language to trip laypeople up so they can later be denied coverage if a future claim is to occur.

I've read horror stories of people being denied coverage for new-onset strokes while abroad because they failed to report a recent change in their heartburn meds.

I blame this boomer show:

The Love Boat taking place on a cruise liner makes a lot more sense.

All these years, I for some reason associated the show with those carnival Tunnel of Love rowboat rides.
 
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