Culture The truth behind Adolescence, the new Netflix series exploring incels and Andrew-Tate-style misogyny - Could a teenage boy be so influenced by the likes of misogynist Andrew Tate that he's driven to murder his young classmate?

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This is the question at the centre of Adolescence, the gripping new Netflix crime drama.
In four episodes, each told through one continuous shot, the ramifications of 13-year-old Jamie's arrest is played out in spectacular style.
First-time actor Owen Cooper, who was just 14 at the time of his performance, compellingly leads in a series that takes toxic masculinity, loneliness and the gender divide to its extreme.

Adolescence explores the dark ideas influencing vulnerable young men online.

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The show questions "what can happen to a boy who's rejected by traditional masculinity", explains Ryder Jack, the principal facilitator at Tomorrow Man, a social enterprise helping young people break down harmful gender stereotypes.
"Where does he go? What happens to [someone] craving affection and validation, [who] is so isolated?"
Spoilers for Adolescence ahead.

From high-value males to the 80-20 rule​

In Adolescence, Jamie attempts to balance the traditional gender expectations of his father's generation with the modern messaging presented to him online.
"[Teens today] have grown up through cancel culture, through the pandemic, and then now they're in this time of polarity where there's the 'woke left' and the 'extreme right'," Jack says.
It can leave teens scared of being "cancelled" or of saying the wrong thing.
"We're seeing boys retreat online, [where they] have all the freedom in the world … to push the boundaries, [to] outdo each other and shock each other."
And it's in the online world where the 'manosphere', an umbrella term for overlapping misogynistic communities, runs rampant.
One idea presented by the manosphere is the 80-20 rule, a myth one teen in Adolescence presents as fact, explaining "80 per cent of women are attracted to 20 per cent of men. You must trick them, because you'll never get them in a normal way".
A teenage boy believing he needs to hoodwink girls into sex is not new.
Films like Superbad (2007) and American Pie (1999) focus on young men so desperate to lose their virginity they'll do absolutely anything to make it happen.
But Jack says today's young people are bombarded with these messages on their phones and laptops 24 hours a day — and we're yet to see the full impact.

Jack says manosphere influencers sell young men "a quick fix" to complexities like forming healthy relationships.

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Initial effects are already playing out in schools, with Mr Jack hearing of "boys trying to embarrass" their female teachers, which is reflected in Adolescence too.
Jamie negs his female psychologist with mimicry, backhanded compliments and degrading name-calling in an attempt to gain control and power over her.
"You can see how he's using whatever he's been taught [online] to try to control the situation," Jack says.

Girls, boys and incels​

Key to the tension in Adolescence is the increasing polarisation between genders.
We learn that Katie, who Jamie is accused of stabbing, began a cyberbullying campaign against him, branding him an 'incel'.
An incel is an involuntary celibate — a community of men frustrated by their lack of success with women. They blame women for this perceived failure.

Online misogyny impacts girls and women in schools in real life and in the show.

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In the show, the term "incel" is used as an insult and a joke, and it's a term Jamie consistently rejects.
Jack says in his workshops with young people, teenage boys also tend to be evasive about the beliefs they hold towards women.
Tomorrow Man's partner organisation, Tomorrow Woman, runs workshops with girls, with the genders initially separated before being brought together for later discussion.
"The girls will talk about the boys a lot and how they're impacted by them … [whereas] we have to be strategic and encourage [the boys]."


There are other things the show gets right, Jack says.
In Adolescence, Jamie is bewildered at the idea of men having platonic friendships with women, and boys and girls at his school are split into 'us' and 'them'.
From Jack's observations, "Girls are fired up, like they should be … and for boys, they feel under attack. They get defensive … there's a real divide."
He says bringing girls and boys together for open discussions about their experiences with gender stereotypes can be "really powerful".

The role of parents in the manosphere​

Jack says Adolescence carries a powerful lesson in the importance of prioritising your relationship with your teenager.
His advice to parents and carers is to download and become familiar with the apps and sites teens are on, so they feel a little less "foreign [and] scary", and he suggests checking out the federal government's algorithm of disrespect resource.
If rules are put in place about no phones in bedrooms or after lights-out, he'd recommend leading by example, and following these same boundaries.
He suggests being curious rather than reactive — making a huge deal out of something may simply cause defensiveness, and could stop teens from coming to an adult again.
"If [your child] says something toxic or that he's heard from the manosphere, rather than biting his head off, go: 'Wow, that's a pretty interesting thing to say. What do you mean by that?'"
While Jack wouldn't necessarily recommend teens watching Adolescence as a life-lesson, it could lead to positive discussions at home.
He recommends parents approach it with a comment along the lines of, "Hey, I heard about this show. I'd love to watch it and discuss it with you and hear your thoughts."
 
Oh hey, more propaganda. Just like Captain Planet before it, kids are gonna tune this out at best, get furious at it at worst. Still, its insane they're giving Andrew Tate this much attention. Because what it will do is encourage kids to look up Andrew Tate just to spit in the face of this mass propaganda.
 
Weren't there a couple of A+N threads about this when it was new?

While we're here, it's obscene that an entire country is trying to a-log a manosphere guy who had fifteen minutes of fame two years ago. They will not ever address the actual root cause of the problem with the rapes; the fact they raceswapped the perpetrator and victim should tell you everything.
 
I'm more and more convinced incel is a slur popularized to brand the majority of American men as losers.
It was getting too obvious that they hate white men. They had to rephrase it as merely hating white men who aren't having sex. You'll notice they never apply the moniker incel to negros, wetbacks, jeets, or various dune coons. Negros who famously have the highest single mother rates are somehow exempt from a slur intended to mock men not in a relationship. Random noglets that rape get described as youths or whatever weaselword the propaganda press has decided upon this week.
 
I haven't seen this show, but from the snippets I've read about it on here, it seems to be absolute lies because of a plagiarist (tate) at best, and masturbatory legal-pedophillia at worst.
That the UK gov made this, and not something helpful like Animal Farm, mandatory watching in schools, says a whole fucking lot.
 
How about instead of focusing on the 14 year old kids for doing stupid stuff, we actually look at their parents? You know, the ones that are responsible for how the kids turn out and how the kids behave?

Why do we need a documentary about how kids find or react to certain types of content online instead of a documentary about how lazy, entitled, and piss-poor parents can be? A documentary about how so many parents enable the worst in their children? I know bad parenting has always been an issue, but bad parenting today has a lot more negative consequences than the bad parenting of the 80s or 90s. Parents today are making their children pseudo-retarded, and we're all gonna suffer for it when these idiots grow up. Why aren't documentary filmmakers brave enough, or cognizant enough, to actually examine the cause of problems instead of the symptoms of problems?

Kids shouldn't be online unless it's for research or educational purposes with direct adult supervision. Kids shouldn't be exposed to adult topics until they're ready to learn about them in late adolescence. Kids shouldn't be talking to a million adults online via social media for 7-8 hours a day.

You mention a millennial's poor parenting skills though? You dare suggest that a 6-year-old child shouldn't have unsupervised access to the Internet nor be on their iPad for the majority of the day? Be prepared for a flurry of insults.
 
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