The Twitter Pedo Hunter / Loli Crusader Community

[Book Thief]

So just to preface this for context, this guy is a former acquaintance of a friend of mine, and according to her, this guy has been in prison "for reasons he cannot say." She also says that he tends to hang around minors a lot, so she strongly suspects him of being a sexual predator.

https://twitter.com/SinnerSilent/status/1292385749237739521

https://twitter.com/SinnerSilent/status/1292549638730506240

Hmm, seems to me like someone's trying to guard the skeletons in his closet!

 

[[Redacted]-san]

Sexual harrassment, assault and rape statistics in Japan are skewed due to massive under-reporting.

That said, it really doesn't matter for this argument one way or the other. Preventing sexual abuse of children is far more about catching offenders and recognizing the signs of grooming and abuse than it is about forcing basement dwellers to use VPNs to download the cartoon porn they really like.

Australia, on the other hand, is just weirdly prudish considering their standard casual greeting is just a stream of insults, answered in kind.

Australia in general are just full moralistic shits in power, same with the rest of the western world. And I seriously fucking wish fictional media is left alone by dumbass Karens and bratty slackivists as well, because fuck those people.
This is no different than insane religious zealots claiming that Pokemon are the spawn of the devil and seducing your kids, I make that last part up but you get what I mean, sorry if I seem spergy btw. Man I wish I got a lobotomy...

 

[KingCoelacanth]

Sexual harrassment, assault and rape statistics in Japan are skewed due to massive under-reporting.

People always say that, but then they never bring up any proof. Its just western cope when they see a country like Japan being safe, while children in the west are at the complete mercy of teachers, priests, roaming gangs of Muslism, politicians, movie directors, etc.

 

[Corn Flakes]

People always say that, but then they never bring up any proof. Its just western cope when they see a country like Japan being safe, while children in the west are at the complete mercy of teachers, priests, roaming gangs of Muslism, politicians, movie directors, etc.

No, it's not just cope.

There are two big cultural differences between Japan and the west at play here. This is stuff I got from talking to friends who lived in Japan, as well as a couple of native Japanese people, so it may be anecdotal but these people independently all said similar things. The standard caveat applies, too: those are generalizations, there are plenty of Japanese people who don't follow these cultural elements. Just not enough to change culture yet.

The first is that there's still a combination of conformist "I don't want to rock the boat" and "stiff upper lip" attitudes with a lot of people there. It's less prevalent in certain groups (particularly youths, or more westernized subcultures), but it's still a very powerful thing in general there. So a lot of nonviolent crimes and misdemeanors (particularly ones where someone is pressured to do something under pain of actual violence or some other form of retaliation) go fully unreported unless they're recurring, and even those may result in the repeat victim taking it upon themselves to leave (either by moving out, or finding another job). While over here a neighbor playing loud music at 3AM may result in a police call, in Japan it's more likely that the person being bothered by it will decide to just grin and bear it.

The second is that the Japanese justice system is weird. Justice in Japan is punitive, and they take pride in having extremely high conviction rates. To the tune of ~99% conviction rate, sometimes going so far as to force confessions out of innocent people. If they aren't convinced they will bag the perp, they won't charge. They might not even officially record the offense, as having large amounts of unprosecuted offenses in their area will make the local department look bad, and maintaining appearances is vital. They will definitely investigate serious crimes, but unless the media is breathing down their neck they won't make anything public until they have everything they need to secure that conviction.

These two elements put together mean that a lot of stuff that they consider unimportant simply goes unnoticed by the state and therefore also the official statistics. It's slowly changing (on the backs of a few serious sexual misbehavior cases being brought into the public eye), but the statistics for taboo crimes there are definitely not reliable and I would rather not try to make "gotcha!" points based on numbers that aren't accurate because it leaves you open to get "gotcha!"d back if better numbers come out.

Personally, from what I've learned talking to people (and admittedly no experience going to Japan), I think the actual numbers of sexual offenses in Japan are higher than officially presented, but still considerably lower than the western numbers in that image I was replying to. Japan is definitely no immigrant ghetto in Sweden (or Rotherham for that matter...) but it's not the peaceful paradise of harmony weebs like to pretend it is. It's a place with serious social problems like everywhere else, otherwise their suicide rates wouldn't be so high. It just happens that their problems are different from ours so they're harder to understand at a glance.

 

[Super-Chevy454]

Oh Australia, don't make me tap the sign.

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This, of course, doesn't take Australia into account, however I do find it interesting to analyze the ratios of these countries that are so moralistic about shit like lolicon and see their CSA rates as compared to Japan. It's absolutely staggering.

Is it my imagination or these UK guys have a nose remeniscing of some "happy merchants"?

 

[KingCoelacanth]

No, it's not just cope.

There are two big cultural differences between Japan and the west at play here. This is stuff I got from talking to friends who lived in Japan, as well as a couple of native Japanese people, so it may be anecdotal but these people independently all said similar things. The standard caveat applies, too: those are generalizations, there are plenty of Japanese people who don't follow these cultural elements. Just not enough to change culture yet.

The first is that there's still a combination of conformist "I don't want to rock the boat" and "stiff upper lip" attitudes with a lot of people there. It's less prevalent in certain groups (particularly youths, or more westernized subcultures), but it's still a very powerful thing in general there. So a lot of nonviolent crimes and misdemeanors (particularly ones where someone is pressured to do something under pain of actual violence or some other form of retaliation) go fully unreported unless they're recurring, and even those may result in the repeat victim taking it upon themselves to leave (either by moving out, or finding another job). While over here a neighbor playing loud music at 3AM may result in a police call, in Japan it's more likely that the person being bothered by it will decide to just grin and bear it.

The second is that the Japanese justice system is weird. Justice in Japan is punitive, and they take pride in having extremely high conviction rates. To the tune of ~99% conviction rate, sometimes going so far as to force confessions out of innocent people. If they aren't convinced they will bag the perp, they won't charge. They might not even officially record the offense, as having large amounts of unprosecuted offenses in their area will make the local department look bad, and maintaining appearances is vital. They will definitely investigate serious crimes, but unless the media is breathing down their neck they won't make anything public until they have everything they need to secure that conviction.

These two elements put together mean that a lot of stuff that they consider unimportant simply goes unnoticed by the state and therefore also the official statistics. It's slowly changing (on the backs of a few serious sexual misbehavior cases being brought into the public eye), but the statistics for taboo crimes there are definitely not reliable and I would rather not try to make "gotcha!" points based on numbers that aren't accurate because it leaves you open to get "gotcha!"d back if better numbers come out.

Personally, from what I've learned talking to people (and admittedly no experience going to Japan), I think the actual numbers of sexual offenses in Japan are higher than officially presented, but still considerably lower than the western numbers in that image I was replying to. Japan is definitely no immigrant ghetto in Sweden (or Rotherham for that matter...) but it's not the peaceful paradise of harmony weebs like to pretend it is. It's a place with serious social problems like everywhere else, otherwise their suicide rates wouldn't be so high. It just happens that their problems are different from ours so they're harder to understand at a glance.

I'm not reading such a long blogpost that doesn't have any sources to back it up.
continue coping

 

[Corn Flakes]

I'm not reading such a long blogpost that doesn't have any sources to back it up.
continue coping

We're talking about things not being reported officially. If there were publicly-available official reports on these things, weebs and/or smooth-brained idiots like you wouldn't be screeching about "coping". Fuck off.

 

[Cheetahman]

Nobody would be surprised if the numbers were higher than 3 per 100k, but it is absolutely a cope for western countries to say that the numbers don't count because of underreporting, given that they outright suppress information about the grooming gangs they've known about for years.

 

[Corn Flakes]

Nobody would be surprised if the numbers were higher than 3 per 100k, but it is absolutely a cope for western countries to say that the numbers don't count because of underreporting, given that they outright suppress information about the grooming gangs they've known about for years.

You won't hear any argument from me on that. Western countries really need to clean up their own backyards before they start looking over the fance and criticizing Japans'. My point was that making "gotcha!" arguments like in that image using faulty data is dumb to begin with.

If the pearl-clutching "WON'T ANYBODY THINK OF THE CHILDREN!" crowd actually put their money where their mouth is and spent even just a third of the effort they put into whining online into concerted efforts to catch and punish groomers and pedophiles, the situation would be much better already. Of course, that's not going to happen because it would require actual effort, and it would also require them to face some pretty uncomfortable truths about their own "side" and the people they choose to protect. See: Rotherham.

 

[Least Concern]

If the pearl-clutching "WON'T ANYBODY THINK OF THE CHILDREN!" crowd actually put their money where their mouth is and spent even just a third of the effort they put into whining online into concerted efforts to catch and punish groomers and pedophiles, the situation would be much better already.

This and similar arguments have been made in this thread a few times, but let's explore it a bit… would it, though? What "effort" are these people making by whining on Twitter, really? If they changed over from tweeting complaints about exploitation of imaginary children to tweeting complaints about exploitation of real children, would any real children actually be saved? It's not like child exploitation is a brand-conscious company that can be kowtowed by a few squeaky wheels with Twitter accounts.

(Not that I want them to try to be more active, either, like the Chris Hansen wannabes who are setting up stings on people. We've had previous discussions in this thread about how that can lead to disaster. Leave it to the cops.)

 

[KingCoelacanth]

We're talking about things not being reported officially. If there were publicly-available official reports on these things, weebs and/or smooth-brained idiots like you wouldn't be screeching about "coping". Fuck off.

"If I had evidence to prove me right then you'd be wrong"
yeah but you don't do you, pal. Your lack of evidence to support your claims isn't proof of your claims. If there was reason to support your claims of under reporting there would be something solid to back it up, not just fluid speculation.

 

[vanilla_pepsi_head]

If the pearl-clutching "WON'T ANYBODY THINK OF THE CHILDREN!" crowd actually put their money where their mouth is and spent even just a third of the effort they put into whining online into concerted efforts to catch and punish groomers and pedophiles, the situation would be much better already. Of course, that's not going to happen because it would require actual effort, and it would also require them to face some pretty uncomfortable truths about their own "side" and the people they choose to protect. See: Rotherham.

I'm not sure I think these autists conducting witchhunts is a good idea, they're more likely to bungle police operations and engage in entrapment trading actual questionable or illegal content with actual pedos as we've already seen. Even discounting their complete incompetence, their intense fixation with and crusade against anything "suggestive of pedophilia" kind of seems like some weapons grade projection to me and I don't doubt there are more than a few closeted, repressed or "reformed" pedos who troll shield to explain away their fascination with the subject.

But I agree, people who actually give a shit about this kind of thing could easily volunteer with victim services at their local police department or something, but as far as they're concerned if you can't inappropriately discuss all their business on the internet, you might as well not even do it.

 

[Atatata]

It does sound like a bit of a cope considering the literal pedo island and other shit. When every country has massive amounts of underreported, underinvestigated abuse of children, then statistics become a little useless.
Though, really how much would need to go underreported for it to beat out western countries?

Everything is fucked.

 

[Corn Flakes]

This and similar arguments have been made in this thread a few times, but let's explore it a bit… would it, though? What "effort" are these people making by whining on Twitter, really? If they changed over from tweeting complaints about exploitation of imaginary children to tweeting complaints about exploitation of real children, would any real children actually be saved? It's not like child exploitation is a brand-conscious company that can be kowtowed by a few squeaky wheels with Twitter accounts.

(Not that I want them to try to be more active, either, like the Chris Hansen wannabes who are setting up stings on people. We've had previous discussions in this thread about how that can lead to disaster. Leave it to the cops.)

You said it yourself: leave it to the cops.

To elaborate: I'm not saying these people should be complaining at creeps on twitter, doing callout posts, or even setting up their own stings. That shit is stupid, and it doesn't work. A pedo getting called out just sinks away and shows up somewhere else. But public outrage can motivate police and political figures to get their shit in gear, and there are reputable organizations dedicated to helping victims of abuse that could really do with more donations. There are much more productive things these people could be doing instead of tilting at pillowcases and drawn porn.

"If I had evidence to prove me right then you'd be wrong"
yeah but you don't do you, pal. Your lack of evidence to support your claims isn't proof of your claims. If there was reason to support your claims of under reporting there would be something solid to back it up, not just fluid speculation.

It's really not that hard to find statements about it:

https://english.kyodonews.net/news/2019/11/e73ee06f884e-sex-crimes-remain-significantly-underreported-in-japan-govt-survey.html

Local experts are iffy on the numbers, and guess what?

Japan's crime rate hits postwar low, but child abuse, domestic violence and offenses by elderly on rise

The transition from Heisei to Reiwa came at a relatively peaceful time, with the nation's crime rate falling to a postwar low in 2018, an annual white pape

www.japantimes.co.jp

Ministry officials also highlighted sexual offenses as a pressing problem. In 2018, 1,307 such cases were reported to police, up 17.9 percent from the previous year, reflecting a 2017 revision to the Penal Code that eliminated a requirement for a victim to file a criminal complaint before a case can be prosecuted.​

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The officials explained, however, that actual figures could be much higher given that such offenses often go unreported, citing a survey conducted on a randomly selected group of 6,000 people age 16 or older. Of 3,500 respondents, 35 said they had been sexually assaulted within the past five years, but 80 percent of them didn’t report the crimes.​

Their Justice Ministry seems to think sex offenses are underreported, too. Maybe they know what they're talking about.

Bonus American source:

https://www.osac.gov/Content/Report/482bb757-756a-4b6b-af4b-15f4aeca9be5

Although generally safe, incidents of sexual assault (groping) on crowded trains have received considerable levels of public attention of late. The exact extent of this problem is hard to assess, as many incidents likely go unreported. In response, a number of railway companies offer female-only cars, especially during rush hours.​

I said it before, though: this is all irrelevant to the subject of the thread.

Cope or not, underreported or not, trying to compare Japanese and Western rape and sexual harrassment statistics has no bearing on how to deal with child sexual abuse in the West. It's not a competition, no one deserves a prize for "least awful country". They have their problems to deal with, and we should focus on ours. Everybody is latching on to a single line and ignoring the point that morons are painting innocent people as pedophiles out of completely misplaced zeal.

 

[vanilla_pepsi_head]

It does sound like a bit of a cope considering the literal pedo island and other shit. When every country has massive amounts of underreported, underinvestigated abuse of children, then statistics become a little useless.
Though, really how much would need to go underreported for it to beat out western countries?

Yeah it could honestly go either way (child sex abuse rates being around the same I mean), it goes unreported in the west pretty fucking often also, though when it's reported it's usually at least investigated even if it's just CPS giving a slap on the wrist and calling it good, and I don't think that counts. The stats are useless, but if actual Japanese have said they know it goes on and people tend to just put up with it, there's no reason to think they're lying. Does this apply to Japanese who are collecting or trading actual child pornography? I'm curious if they typically plead down or get out of it somehow or if they tend to convict at all. Seems like it'd be easier to convict since there is photographic/digital evidence of a crime vs an abuse accusation that is harder to prove.

 

[Atatata]

Yeah it could honestly go either way (child sex abuse rates being around the same I mean), it goes unreported in the west pretty fucking often also, though when it's reported it's usually at least investigated even if it's just CPS giving a slap on the wrist and calling it good, and I don't think that counts. The stats are useless, but if actual Japanese have said they know it goes on and people tend to just put up with it, there's no reason to think they're lying. Does this apply to Japanese who are collecting or trading actual child pornography? I'm curious if they typically plead down or get out of it somehow or if they tend to convict at all. Seems like it'd be easier to convict since there is photographic/digital evidence of a crime vs an abuse accusation that is harder to prove.

Iirc don't know 100% but with what happened to the author of Rurouni Kenshin, since he bought it when it was legal, he had to pay a large fine. I'd think that if you were caught with something created recently you'd be fucked.

 

[Least Concern]

But I agree, people who actually give a shit about this kind of thing could easily volunteer with victim services at their local police department or something, but as far as they're concerned if you can't inappropriately discuss all their business on the internet, you might as well not even do it.

Even that I wouldn't bother. I don't think police departments themselves have resources for helping child victims of sexual exploitation, but whoever is doing that sort of stuff, surely they have meticulous vetting processes for who they allow near these kids. Like you gotta have an eight-year degree in psychotherapy and you're out if you were arrested for smoking a joint when you were 19 levels of vetting. In fact, you might be bringing some unwarranted attention on yourself just for asking about that sort of thing…

I get it. Especially for us men, we see a problem, we want to fix it. But this isn't patching a hole in the drywall. Lives are at stake. Maybe the best thing we can do is be there for our kids and make sure they know what they need to know to not end up a victim of this sort of thing - or a victimizer.

 

[gratedcheese]

There's a lot of great conversation happening here about what these people can do to help, and I honestly have always thought the best thing is just educating people.

In the time that they've spent harassing the fuck out of these artists, they could have been sharing resources, like signs of grooming. So many potential predators in fandom space get buried beneath mountains of artist callout posts, or they participate in them to virtue signal.

My problem is that these kids' perceptions of predatory behavior has been so skewed that it will happen to them by their purported "good" adult friends and they don't even realize it.

Take this for example:

Spoiler: OK GROOMER

This person is 26 and is interacting with minors in an inappropriate way. She's an active critic of Miracide and calls her a predator for drawing fanart, and yet she herself is sitting here facilitating explicit behavior involving minors. Lily also retweets NSFW content with no warning and continues to follow/allow minors to follow her.

Oh, lest we mention, this person follows people who post lolicon as well, which is concerning coupled with her outcry against "pedophilic" art and the way she talks to underage people.

We can laugh at the shotacon and lolicon degenerates all day, but there is actual damage being done by these moral crusaders.

 

[School of Fish]

There's a lot of great conversation happening here about what these people can do to help, and I honestly have always thought the best thing is just educating people.

In the time that they've spent harassing the fuck out of these artists, they could have been sharing resources, like signs of grooming. So many potential predators in fandom space get buried beneath mountains of artist callout posts, or they participate in them to virtue signal.

My problem is that these kids' perceptions of predatory behavior has been so skewed that it will happen to them by their purported "good" adult friends and they don't even realize it.

Take this for example:

Spoiler: OK GROOMER

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This person is 26 and is interacting with minors in an inappropriate way. She's an active critic of Miracide and calls her a predator for drawing fanart, and yet she herself is sitting here facilitating explicit behavior involving minors. Lily also retweets NSFW content with no warning and continues to follow/allow minors to follow her.

Oh, lest we mention, this person follows people who post lolicon as well, which is concerning coupled with her outcry against "pedophilic" art and the way she talks to underage people.

We can laugh at the shotacon and lolicon degenerates all day, but there is actual damage being done by these moral crusaders.

This is the biggest problem I have with these anti-lolicon and anti-shotacon crusades and it's not only just because of how stupid they really are but also the only thing this stupid crap will actually accomplish is doing a great disservice to the many actual victims of child sexual abuse in the long run.

The more that these morons throw a word with a lot of power and meaning behind it such as the word 'pedophile' out of context and misuse this word then the more that people will just become desensitized by it later on.

If you don't beleive me, just take the words 'Nazi', 'Racist', and 'Bigot' as examples of just how easily you can make words into just background noise. A lot of news media, dumbasses on social media, and the morons in power keep misusing these words and use them out of context that I've reach the point that I've just stopped caring about these words a long time ago and they're nothing but background noise to me now.

The thing is that the more that these idiots keep misusing the word 'pedophile' then the more that everyone else will become desensitized by it later on.

Now just imagine if everyone started calling each other 'pedophiles' and not use this word in context and then keep misusing it in everyday discourse and the more that these idiots keep doing this then eventually people will even become desensitized by the serious topic of child sexual abuse then.

This is why this crap is really stupid because what these idiots on Twitter (and on other social media platforms) are doing won't really help anyone and the only thing they will accomplish is hurting more people rather than helping them in the long run anyway.

 

[Atatata]

This is the biggest problem I have with these anti-lolicon and anti-shotacon crusades and it's not only just because of how stupid they really are but also the only thing this stupid crap will actually accomplish is doing a great disservice to the many actual victims of child sexual abuse in the long run.

The more that these morons throw a word with a lot of power and meaning behind it such as the word 'pedophile' out of context and misuse this word then the more that people will just become desensitized by it later on.

If you don't beleive me, just take the words 'Nazi', 'Racist', and 'Bigot' as examples of just how easily you can make words into just background noise. A lot of news media, dumbasses on social media, and the morons in power keep misusing these words and use them out of context that I've reach the point that I just stopped caring about these words a long time ago and they're nothing but background noise to me now.

The thing is that the more that these idiots keep misusing the word 'pedophile' then the more that everyone else will become desensitized by it later on.

Now just imagine if everyone started calling each other 'pedophiles' and not use this word in context and then keep misusing it in everyday discourse and the more that these idiots keep doing this then eventually people will even become desensitized by the serious topic of child sexual abuse then.

This is why this crap is really stupid because what these idiots on Twitter (and on other social media platforms) are doing won't really help anyone and the only thing they will accomplish is hurting more people rather than helping them in the long run anyway.

That reminded me of that funimation sub that translated lolicon into pedophile without thinking it through and having in the scene a character go "Oh, you're a pedophile? Okay, that's weird, but whatever."

If you treat both the same its not making drawings worse, its making actual abuse comical. The line between fiction and reality is something neccessary that shouldn't be taken for granted. Its why we have a crap ton of larpers now.