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That raises the question: how do you translate lolicon/shotacon without using a whole sentence for it?
The Twitter Pedo Hunter / Loli Crusader Community
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Well, if it's not a more normie show/movie along the lines of Miyazaki or Dragonball, it's probably not necessary to pretend the audience doesn't know what a "lolicon" is.
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The amount of people REEEEing at a small anime chick with big tits and NOT even doing the bare minimum of donating to non-profits like RAINN or Thorn just infuriates me on where their priorities lie. They want to ban it because it's grotesque to them, and yet no child is groomed/harmed in the process unlike the sick fucks that film and photograph actual victims. To compare such trauma to be weighed the same as a drawing is an insult to those that have survived.
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But don't you know, every time someone sees that 12-year-old from Eiken, they go out and rape a baby!
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Eurocucks and lefty westerners in general just want a race of people to blame their CSA and CSEM problems on. Which race tho? It can't be the Arabs because they're an oppressed people who need to literally rape young girls in order for their people to survive...aha! The Japanese have been making fucked up media since the end of WWII! They may not be known for raping children, but their fictional media makes all the lefties angry and they have it better than those poor rap- I mean Arabs that dindu nuffin. And so they go on to shit on the Japs instead of solve their own goddamn problems.
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Context clues, like with obon and all the other japanese terms they don't try to localise. But realistically if you're watching shows that contain the word "lolicon" without the definition accompanying it, then you're probably already going to know what it is.
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HE DOES IT FOR FREE.
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God that reminds me of some other especially half assed official subs I saw recently where characters were clearly speaking in engrish at one point but the subs didn't line up at all. Think shit like a character screaming "oh my god!" in a heavy japanese accent but the subtitles has some shitty sentence that feels like it's meant to seem "quirky" and "wholesome" or whatever the fuck. Thing is it was also done with the insults, and two or three times I noticed replaced an engrish insult with just "pedo".
We're at a point where some broken english unofficial fansubs are now more accurate than the official shit, and I have no clue what the hell is going on over there with them inserting "pedo" into everything. The only solution I can think of is that the nepotism and industry connections led to the kind of people this thread is talking about worming their way into actual positions of power.
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Back on the topic of Australia, apparently even photographs of adult women with a-cups are banned in fear of it "encouraging pedophilia."
This is the type of shit this tardery leads to.
This is the type of shit this tardery leads to.
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This is a scathing indictment of tripfags tbh.
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It really just is a slippery slope, isn't it? I can't imagine being a grown woman, possibly already self conscious about having a flat chest because beauty standards or something, then essentially being told that the only people who would find you attractive are closet pedos. And then who knows, maybe they'll have to ban pictures of women with larger chests since some teens develop early.
Tangentially related, there is a thread going around right now on twitter about the legality of lolicon/shotacon art:
A lot of it has been debunked already, but it got me thinking about how so many of these fictional child defenders rely on the legal argument to justify their stance. Basing one's morality purely off of what is or isn't illegal seems a bit contradictory when in a lot of places things like basic rights for women or gay marriage or things like that are still illegal, yet suddenly countries are the haven of good morals because they say drawings get human rights.
It's also bizarre to me since they will bend over backwards to convince people it is actually illegal while still distributing it through public callout posts that are barely censored if censored at all.
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The funny thing is that these spergs will complain about an intangible slippery slope of "normalizing pedophilia" with lolicon when the actual, tangible results of spouting this harmful rhetoric is already present.
It starts with fiction, and when we start using fiction, an extremely malleable medium, to set goalposts, the goalposts become extremely easy to move. Lolicon is wrong because the lines "look" like a child, which takes away the reason why childhood exploitation is harmful in the first place. It's not harmful because it's disgusting, but because a real child is being hurt in the process of creating it. When you say "ban lolicon because it has lines that look like kids in it," you start to go down a rabbit hole. What about this woman who is small and has a cups? What about girls who like "cutesy" things like pastels and stuffed animals? Does that make their boyfriends "pedos?" Are you going to arrest the woman for creating "CP" when it's her adult body? Places like Australia say yes.
Piggybacking off of that point, conversations about censorship come into play. What are the goalposts on fiction? They say, "Anything that glorifies the sexual abuse of children!" But what is glorification? What is romanticization? What are all these buzzwords, and who has the right to decide what defines them, especially in a court of law? Lolita is a book that is anti-pedo, but some people may find themselves sympathizing with the narrator, or find the scenes arousing. Lolita could have led to the sexual awakening of several pedophiles, and yet it's anti-pedo.
Even going for more tame stuff like Catcher in the Rye, a classic piece of literature that doesn't promote violence or the like, are we going to censor that because at three people have attempted/succeeded in committing homicide in relation to the book? Hell, John Lennon's killer had it on hand. These were three separate, fucked-up individuals who happened to be interested in the story and sympathize with its protagonist. Is Catcher in the Rye promotional material for serial killers?
The problem is that we are dealing with abstract concepts and trying to solidify them into goalposts. It is so simple to break down art and have it fit a certain idea. You could say that American History X, an anti-racist and anti-Nazi movie, advocates for Nazism because of the humanization of the Nazi main character, or how the movie ends with the reformed Nazi's younger brother getting killed by a black man, effectively reaffirming his and the audience's prejudices, or the, dare I say, romanticized Nazi imagery throughout the film. You could say that IT advocates for underage sex because the book uses the fucking child orgy as a moment of "bonding" for the characters. You could say that American Beauty advocates for pedophilia since the movie never stops and tells you why the main character's attraction to his teenage daughter's friend is bad. That last sentence may seem like an exaggeration, but I have actually seen people that want every bad thing in a piece of fiction to have a detailed monologue about why said thing is bad.
But, let's hone in on smutty fanwork in particular. There is literally no evidence to suggest that porn leads to higher rates of sexual violence and in fact, the argument could be made that it decreases it. And, let's be real here: Fanwork doesn't usually seek to be a literary piece of fiction with a moral message. Of course, you can say that every piece of media has a message, but typically, the artistic skills to make a piece that's going to even remotely make people question their morals are not instilled into the typical fanfiction author. Speaking from experience of being in fandom since I was 11, I can say that never not once did I interact with a piece of fanwork (even pornographic) that influenced my morals in any way.
I hear a bunch of Tumblristas going apeshit about how "I saw people shipping Sans and Frisk when Undertale was popular, so I thought minor/adult relationships were normal!" Hey, what the fuck? What kind of fucking mental state were you in that made you think that pedophilia was even remotely okay? That is a by-product of some other environmental factor that needs to be addressed within your life.
Back to the moving goalposts aspects, I have even seen this whole "loli crusade" shit expanding and expanding to ridiculous lengths. So, the initial argument was that they look like a kid, so they can't be lewded? Alright, cool. What about this JoJo character that looks like a 50 year-old but is actually 17? Still no? Alright, let me age him up. What? Aging up characters who were initially minors in canon is creepy? Uh... okay? What? I can't even do artistic nudity? What the fuck? Alright, since I can't have that character, let me like this one who has a petite body and cutesy features, but is of age and has huge tits. What? That's not okay either? You see the issue? Dare I say we're going to get to a point one day when drawing porn of women is "misogynistic" because it contributes to the fetishization of the female body? Oh... wait.
I wouldn't be so invested in this loli crusade thing if it didn't bring up bigger, more concerning matters, and if the ideas weren't so prevalent. I've seen a bunch of kids on TikTok arguing that men's sexuality is "rooted" in pedophilia because they like women without arm, leg, and pubic hair. Instead of getting a resounding "fuck you" and slap on the wrist, I've heard so many people agreeing with them. This shit is fucking stupid at best, and harmful at worst.
The truth is that this moralistic approach to things has historically never been right. We see the results of things like sexual repression in society, how harmful those ideas have been in so many respects. People always take advantage of these all-mighty good ideas and use them to justify horrible shit, from teenagers looking for a justification in bullying people like the spergs on this thread to politicians looking for censorship.
Oh no, it's absolutely hilarious, because they do a complete 180 when disproven. After you get done telling them your point, they'll either try to argue it more or say, "But just because it's legal doesn't mean it's morally correct!" I've seen the shift. Thing is, morals are different between societies and even individuals. Sorry, but my morals only go as far as if somebody who is unjustified in harm is getting hurt, and fictional characters don't have feelings, so frankly, I don't care. If a lolicon goes and molests a real child, then I have a problem because someone was hurt. But, my first reaction isn't to look at their anime porn. Besides, from what I've heard, most child molesters who view lolicon have real CP with them as well.
Also, most of these people that say this shit about lolicon are avid ACAB and defund the police supporters, but absolutely love to treat the law as the word of god when it comes to Twitter brownie points. Yeah kids, you're not supposed to look at porn until you're 18, drink until you're 21, or send nudes until you're 18, but let's focus on the drawings!
This is actually kind of a meme with pro-shippers and pro-loli people. They'll go under the callout posts and say, "If you thought this was CP, then you wouldn't be sharing it on your page," and those never get responses. Wonder why? It's almost like it's not illegal to share lolicon because it's not actual CP. Who could have guessed? I would love to have this question answered some day, because top Olympian athletes may have yet to learn from the sheer level of mental gymnastics that these people can achieve.
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And if these grown woman was black, they would said then it's racist and black lives matter.
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Holy textwall, Batman! Here, take your damn medal you magnificent bastard.
A few comments, though:
And so they think of everybody as characters. And with characters in fandoms being so often used as projections of their authors/players, these people project their insecurities onto others incredibly hard. So anything that makes them "uncomfortable" is faced like a possible negative epiphany. A start of darkness. Because characters so often fall to evil after a brief contact with it, they think humans are the same. And so anyone who likes anything that makes them uncomfortable is immediately evil as well.
Yeah, do not lewd the tiny and adorable dragon girl from Kobayashi's Dragon Maid. But don't go jumping on the throat of an artist who draws her as an adult both in body and mind just because it reminds you that she was tiny and adorable once.
(As a little aside, I once saw a drawing with someone aging Kanna up into a full-on Yamato Nadeshiko and it looked really good. I'm sad I forgot to save it at the time.)
I've seen them arguing that the wrong content could "awaken" dark desires in people and that we should avoid it by banning this sick filth. But that's far too close to thoughtcrime for my tastes. If someone jacks it raw every night to fiction depicting illegal acts, they can knock themselves out. I'll think they're creepy and tell them to go away if they go around advertising their sick perversions in public, but I'm not going to advocate for them to be canceled or dogpiled.
But the moment these freaks start looking for real-life content? Stuff that actually either resulted in or derived from a child being harmed? Throw the fucking book at them and let them rot in jail. Not a moment sooner than that, though. Preemptive justice has never helped a society in the long run.
A few comments, though:
You forget that the average Fandom Internet Crusader, loli or otherwise, is pretty much disconnected from reality. And I don't meant it necessarily as a personality or character flaw. Yes, some of them are scummy creeps chasing clout as Paragons of Righteousness by trying to throw innocent people under the bus, but by and large most of them simply never had (or gave themselves) the opportunity to actually understand the world around them. You'll see that a lot of these people are either extremely sheltered, or have been buried so deep into fandoms they never developed a grip on reality and how actual living and breathing humans work.
And so they think of everybody as characters. And with characters in fandoms being so often used as projections of their authors/players, these people project their insecurities onto others incredibly hard. So anything that makes them "uncomfortable" is faced like a possible negative epiphany. A start of darkness. Because characters so often fall to evil after a brief contact with it, they think humans are the same. And so anyone who likes anything that makes them uncomfortable is immediately evil as well.
Unfortunately, you're expecting self-awareness from irrational people. Down that road lies only disappointment.
That whole aversion to "aging up" thing puzzles me. Every adult on this planet was a child once, and we retain a lot of likes and personality traits we had as children since that's where we develop those, even if they're modified and/or tempered by experience (and puberty...). By their logic, every consenting adult who has had sex with another consenting adult is a pedophile.
Yeah, do not lewd the tiny and adorable dragon girl from Kobayashi's Dragon Maid. But don't go jumping on the throat of an artist who draws her as an adult both in body and mind just because it reminds you that she was tiny and adorable once.
(As a little aside, I once saw a drawing with someone aging Kanna up into a full-on Yamato Nadeshiko and it looked really good. I'm sad I forgot to save it at the time.)
And here we reach the crux of the Internet Crusader issue. Correlation vs. Causation. Yes, pedos are often found with collections of loli art. But they're universally found with real life child pornography, They didn't turn into pedos because they were exposed to lolis. They went looking for it because they were pedos.
I've seen them arguing that the wrong content could "awaken" dark desires in people and that we should avoid it by banning this sick filth. But that's far too close to thoughtcrime for my tastes. If someone jacks it raw every night to fiction depicting illegal acts, they can knock themselves out. I'll think they're creepy and tell them to go away if they go around advertising their sick perversions in public, but I'm not going to advocate for them to be canceled or dogpiled.
But the moment these freaks start looking for real-life content? Stuff that actually either resulted in or derived from a child being harmed? Throw the fucking book at them and let them rot in jail. Not a moment sooner than that, though. Preemptive justice has never helped a society in the long run.
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"Sorry ma'am I can't allow you to purchase this beer."
"Sir, my ID clearly says I'm over the age of 18. Gimmie the damn beer."
"Where are your parents, girl?"
And yes I did look up the legal drinking age for Australia.
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"Lift up your shirt. If that bra is padded, you'll have to leave this liquor shop."
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I bet these assholes are fine with cub porn, and say that Lolicon is pure evil, I guess they'll never realize how fricking hypocritical that is. I'm mainly talking about moralistic furries or anime fans. I'll stop, because I'll just be repeating myself.
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Going by their logic, all furry porn should be banned, cub or not, because even though its fictional its still getting off to animals.
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Let's hope I am ugly enough to fly under this law if I am ever hit on by an australian.
@gratedcheese This is why I, a woman, think that like 40% of women should be disallowed anything that can change the world for the other people. They always end doibg shit like this T_T