🐱 The U.S. is barreling towards Dred Scott II

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Recently, numerous conservative Southern states (including Alabama, Texas, and Arkansas) have passed laws or enacted policies that criminalize health care for transgender youth.

In response, California and New York appear poised to pass their own laws . Broadly speaking, these laws would prevent removal of trans youth from supportive families, forbid cooperation with out-of-state investigations, prohibit issuance of subpoenas by in-state agencies, forbid in-state police from arresting providers and parents, and refuse extradition to states attempting to enforce these bans on health care.

These bills are desperately needed. Parents of trans youth in these Southern states are fleeing already, even as these cruel, anti-science, and nonsensical laws destroy Texas’ state child protective services from the inside out.

But there’s a bigger picture here. This tug-of-war between white, Southern conservative states and the North and West has played out in American history before, and it didn’t end well.

The U.S. Constitution established that slaves who escaped to abolitionist states were still slaves, and were to be returned to their owners in the South. The Fugitive Slave Act of 1793 allowed states to seize and return fugitive slaves. It also established a $500 penalty (massive at the time) for anyone who hindered slave-catchers or aided an escaped slave.

The 1793 Act was hugely unpopular. Cities and towns in the North passed laws and created sanctuaries meant to thwart the act. In retaliation, the Fugitive Slave Act of 1850 doubled the fines, eliminated the right of habeus corpus for Black people, and generally closed loopholes that Northerners had been exploiting.

Finally, there was the Supreme Court decision of Dred Scott v. Sandford. Scott had lived for 10 years in states where slavery was forbidden, namely Illinois and the Louisiana Territory (by the Missouri Compromise of 1820). The Taney court infamously ruled in 1857 that, as a Black person, he was not a US citizen, and therefore lacked the standing to sue for his freedom in a US court. This effectively ended any legal remedy for Black people in the United States, including northern freemen kidnapped and sold into slavery.

Which brings us back to the present day, where northern and western liberal states are confronted with conservative southern states dedicated they own the bodies of the women and LGBTQ+ people nationwide. The attack on bodily autonomy goes further than trans youth and abortion: there are emerging efforts to ban healthcare for transgender adults and reinstate sodomy laws. Thus, while transgender people are at the tip of the spear, others are not far behind.

For example, with Roe v. Wade likely to be overturned or rendered moot in June, Texas and other states banning abortion will craft laws making it a felony to seek abortion in another state. They will pass laws making it a felony to assist anyone seeking an abortion out of state, and make every attempt to criminalize doctors in other states who perform them (probably under the felony murder rule).

Similarly, after Roe v. Wade goes down, the Republican party has made it clear that Obergefell(which overturned laws banning same sex marriage) and Lawrence v. Texas (which overturned sodomy laws) will be next.

The instant Lawrence falls, homosexuality becomes illegal again in 12 states. Given how the GOP has decided that LGBT people are the number one threat to society and are launching attack after attack accusing the community of being “groomers” or pedophiles, it is a near certainty that states like Texas will appeal to the base and wield this law like a cudgel to drive people out of the state. They will also make attempts to drag people back for trial, the same as they do to parents of trans youth and those seeking abortions.

These sorts of efforts wouldn’t be nearly so frightening if the country had a functional Supreme Court dedicated to supporting human rights. Alas, it does not. The Supreme Court has been filled with right wing ideologues over the past 2 decades, all but one nominated by presidents who failed to win the popular vote. The Roberts court has been content to rule via the “shadow docket” and allow outrageous state laws like Texas’ SB8 “abortion bounty” to go into effect, even when they impinge on basic human rights.

Which is why there’s no reason to believe that this Court will rule with an understanding of what the past can tell the Court about the implications of its actions. The Taney Court’s Dred Scott decision is widely seen as the catalyst that made the Civil War inevitable. The conservative justices on the bench today are incapable of asking themselves what happens when they make a ruling that is incredibly unpopular with the American people and caters exclusively to white southern Christians.
What happens when southern states can reach deep into free states to tear families apart? What happens when you make it a criminal offense to help people escape from the old South because they can no longer exert basic bodily autonomy? What happens when you eliminate the safe harbors of cities and states in the North and West, and force them to participate in acts of cruelty that violate their fundamental ethics? What happens when the only safe harbor left for women and LGBTQ+ people is Canada?
You get secession and a Civil War, whether it’s 1861 or 2025. Like Taney, the court is going to come down on the side of the South again and again. Unlike Taney, though, they have the benefit of history to tell them exactly where this leads, which makes them even dumber than their intellectual forebears.
 
Broadly speaking, these laws would prevent removal of trans youth from supportive families, forbid cooperation with out-of-state investigations, prohibit issuance of subpoenas by in-state agencies, forbid in-state police from arresting providers and parents, and refuse extradition to states attempting to enforce these bans on health care.
So Mommy Munchausen can essentially kidnap a child and bring him across state lines without fear of retribution? I thought these people hate federalism.
 
Like anyone in any normal state wants to bring munchies and their trooned out kids back after they’ve gotten rid of them. I mean it’s sad, but when the parents are the ones doing it, there’s no saving the kids. We just need them gone where they can’t infect other people. A custody issue between a normie parent and a munchie ex is different of course.
 
It's a reverse Dred Scott, since no one wants troons, troon groomers, and #ShoutYourAbortion people in their state. Get out of Texas. Get out of the South. Get out of red states. Get out of rural areas in general. Stay in your shitty West Coast/New York bugpod, since that's the only safe space for people like the author of this article who want a civil war over mentally ill loons.
 
It's a reverse Dred Scott, since no one wants troons, troon groomers, and #ShoutYourAbortion people in their state. Get out of Texas. Get out of the South. Get out of red states. Get out of rural areas in general. Stay in your shitty West Coast/New York bugpod, since that's the only safe space for people like the author of this article who want a civil war over mentally ill loons.
Unlike shitlibs, conservatives are not moving to New York or Cali because they know where they are not wanted.

The shitlib, being a parasitic imperialist, is not satisfied with having his coastal Sodom and Gomorrah. He cannot stand that somewhere, someone is not obeying their sensibilities.
 
He has all the pieces right in front of him, but can't bring himself to put together the picture.

A nation like the United States cannot be governed via lawfare. And now the faggot is terrified that, after using an ideologically biased court to wipe its ass with federalism, a less biased court might restore it.
 
White and (((white))) shitlibs will never understand that muh minorities aren't some multihued kumbaya circle where dicks fly from anus to stinkditch and girlcocks are orally worshipped at all times
“What do you mean!?!? I thought ALL POC’s got along and were one and would unite against wypipo! CNN told me so!”

All things considered it was hilarious looking at South Africa last summer when shit hit the fan and Planet of the Apes: Anarchy almost became reality there where legit EVERY other minority group teamed up with YTee against the feral jogger hordes.
 
Out of all the "OMG AMERICAN CIVIL WAR 2! AAAHHHHHHHHHHH" takes I've ever seen these past few years this has to be by far the most retarded. Like holy shit, if you honestly believe troons not being able to give pills and surgeries to 14 year olds, and fags being criminalized again is going to be one of the leading causes to a modern civil war you must be retarded. The civil war was far more nuanced than "muh blacks" and they were only used as an excuse by both sides as to why they were "right". This wouldn't happen with troons. Could it be a very minor issue that just piles onto a list of far more major issues? Probably.

Do these tards that keep mouth breathing over a civil war realize what the glowies are going to do if it even becomes a slight possibility at all? Ohhhh boy if you think the feds love disappearing people, and infiltrating groups you haven't seen nothing yet. The feds would crush and destroy both sides that would be willing to openly agitate into a mass civil conflict in order to keep the union together. It wouldn't even happen in the first place, so you don't have to worry about the fed picking a side.

You have the option to move to other states. I HIGHLY doubt there will be many laws making you a criminal if you hop over a couple state borders to get your abortion or troon surgery. Even if that does happen you can still just...permanently move to New York or Cali and fucking stay there like you should. No one is going to "slave catch" your ass since the blue states will definitely love virtue signaling by going "fags welcome here! we are the civilized states"

Last but not least how many people do you think will join such a cause? Even if a large handful of liberals support you do you think they're going to just abandon their first world lives over this shit? The type of woman that gets abortion to avoid hardship isn't the type of woman willing to pick up a gun and fight in a 5 year long war on her home soil.

But fuck it. Please join a paramilitary group and try to instigate a civil war. I would LOVE to see it.
 
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So Mommy Munchausen can essentially kidnap a child and bring him across state lines without fear of retribution? I thought these people hate federalism.
Inb4 some Mossad-style extractions go sideways. Consider the following: MM moves child from State A without these laws to State B with them. "Security company" in state A makes a deal to deliver the child in-jurisdiction at a given location. State B doing anything short of catching them in B is going to run into many legal issues. If "long arm" statutes apply, then certainly the abduction from A:B would satisfy complementary criteria. It's inherently an interstate issue then but at the same time neither state goes before the federal court with clean hands. While it behooves them to resolve the problem it also abridges state's rights in a not-insignificant way. If at all possible the feds would want to stay out of it. Kind of like when a Nazi would just turn up on Israeli jurisdiction from even the most far-flung and hostile places. Sure, those places are certain some crime happened when it went down, but they cannot prove what exactly happened, much less who did it.

Edit for fun fact: Did you know they make a net-gun that uses a fucking .308 blank to launch a 16'x16' net? It's not even technically a firearm.
 
“What do you mean!?!? I thought ALL POC’s got along and were one and would unite against wypipo! CNN told me so!”

All things considered it was hilarious looking at South Africa last summer when shit hit the fan and Planet of the Apes: Anarchy almost became reality there where legit EVERY other minority group teamed up with YTee against the feral jogger hordes.
Even a couple joggers decided maybe it was a better idea to join YT. there was a video I saw where a couple blacks had another with a tire around his neck
 
So Mommy Munchausen can essentially kidnap a child and bring him across state lines without fear of retribution? I thought these people hate federalism.
The most hilarious (read saddest) part is states are constitutionally forbidden from refusing extradition requests.
Article IV, Section 2, second paragraph.
A Person charged in any State with Treason, Felony, or other Crime, who shall flee from Justice, and be found in another State, shall on Demand of the executive Authority of the State from which he fled, be delivered up, to be removed to the State having Jurisdiction of the Crime.
 
The most hilarious (read saddest) part is states are constitutionally forbidden from refusing extradition requests.
Article IV, Section 2, second paragraph.
Haha expecting California and New York to follow the Constitution in any way without kicking and screaming like a toddler.
 
Haha expecting California and New York to follow the Constitution in any way without kicking and screaming like a toddler.
On the contrary. The reason I'm sad is despite the prima facie unconstitutionality of it I know damn well they're going to insist everything is perfectly fine up until the Supreme Court cock-slaps them. Most depressingly the opinion will be likely written by Roberts, because if anyone deserves Thomas' jurisprudent BBC to the face over this its NY and CA.
 
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Haha expecting California and New York to follow the Constitution in any way without kicking and screaming like a toddler.
Hasn't there already been extradition requests by states who allow the death penalty refused by states that do not allow it?
 
Dred Scott was a profoundly stupid decision to the point that I don't think anything else could ever be accurately comparable to it. Even the very racist public thought it was retarded.

The current supreme court is barely making decisions at all, they're just passively ignoring these issues.
 
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Hasn't there already been extradition requests by states who allow the death penalty refused by states that do not allow it?
I know that countries do that but any state that does that is in violation of the constitution. Also, very few states are that serious about opposing the death penalty, it isn't fundamental to the left wing or anything. California still has it, they just don't actually carry it out very often. States basically get rid of it because they decide it isn't worth the hassle at this point.
 
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