🐱 The Unofficial Battlefield Subreddit Has Officially Had It With ‘Historical Accuracy’ Complaints

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https://kotaku.com/the-battlefield-subreddit-has-officially-had-it-with-h-1826840651

Battlefield V will have women. When this was revealed during the game’s announcement stream last month, most people said “oh neat” and got on with their lives. A vocal handful, however, found this offensively out of place in their “historically accurate” series about ramping tanks over horses. Weeks later, they still haven’t stopped complaining about it. Now, the Battlefieldsubreddit has had enough.

The moderators of the Battlefield subreddit—one of the series’ largest single discussion forums, with nearly 130,000 users—posted a particularly pointed thread today putting a stop to conversations of the game series and historical accuracy.



“We’re done, its over,” a mod wrote in an announcement thread. “New rule: No more bitching about historical accuracy, it’s a game, not a history book. Violations will have consequences.”

The moderator added that threads about historical accuracy—which usually center around the presence of women and black people and recently have featured greatest hits like a guy lying about being a historian and another person suggesting that it’d be fine for marginalized people to be in the game so long as they stayed in their place—have resulted in toxic mobs of people who aren’t even part of the community repeatedly going to war against the subreddit.

“This issue has been discussed in a million fucking threads, but we’ve never been brigaded more than we have in the past months,” the mod wrote. “Admins can only keep up with so much. We’re done wasting our time on this, every point has been made, no you’re not sexists or whatever, but this shit is just repetitive now.”

It’s important to note that the Battlefield subreddit is not controlled by, affiliated with, or paid by EA. Earlier this week, however, EA chief creative officer Patrick Soderlund also told the ceaselessly pedantic (but definitely not sexist) mobs to just deal with it.

“We don’t take any flak,” Soderlund said in an interview with Gamasutra, referring to the backlash surrounding the inclusion of women in Battlefield V. “We stand up for the cause, because I think those people who don’t understand it, well, you have two choices: either accept it or don’t buy the game. I’m fine with either or. It’s just not ok."
 
Remember when Battlefield was originally an accurate, yet fun representation of WWII?
there's a reason why suddenly changing shit like this doesn't sit well with fans, because we remember when this game wasn't propaganda garbage that shoehorned women, niggers and cripples.
 
I have no problems with females on games, I fucking love watching some virtually perfect round ass while playing, what I did found disgusting were two things:

First, how it was advertised on the trailer, they cry all day about womans being objectified yet they show that shitty looking tranny all over the trailer like a beer can and second, I'm all in to play as the sluttier soldier ever, but it's for my eye's pleasure, I don't wanna see a fucking ugly millennial feminist with a mechanical arm and a bodybuilder's ass.

I'll take the advice and won't buy it, if it turns out it's good I'll just download a pirated version.
 
Remember when Battlefield was originally an accurate, yet fun representation of WWII?
there's a reason why suddenly changing shit like this doesn't sit well with fans, because we remember when this game wasn't propaganda garbage that shoehorned women, niggers and cripples.

I legit don't even care about the SJW shit, especially not in the context of multiplayer.
The problem is the games are all shit and its obvious their staff spend more time caring about this ridiculous autism than working on improving the game.

Battlefield 2 and BFBC2 were the last "good" BF games.
 
So is EA/DICE's stance on this game that its a wacky WWII-fortnite hybrid, or that its focus is historical accuracy and people who don't see that need to "get educated"

More towards the latter
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They never once said "oh there was some miscommunication, this is just based on WW2 with creative license to sell more cosmetic options" most people would've said "oh okay, fair game"

But then they came out with:
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Wow I guess you guys are the first people to have a woman protagonist in a videogame, you must be feeling like Rosa Parks right?
 
And thus the cycle of "FACK YOU FANBOYS!!! TUMBLR PEOPLE WILL JUST FLOCK TO REPLACE YOU AND BUY OUR PRODUCTS!!! RIGHT MY NEW WOKE FRIENDS?......right?.....hello?" continues.

Ya know, it really is fucking sad how a perpetually shitting kiwifarm dink like myself can come up with atleast two ways they could have completely avoided any real fan backlash on any level

a) actually present it as an alternate history game from the getgo. In the trailer have a squadren of P.1000 Ratte Tanks being swarmed by dieselpunk cyborg SAS commandos in a London thats pretty much turned into Stalingrad, and then the reveal of crippled generic brunette british woman will not even be a damn footnote in fan reactions

b) actually give two rightful shits about representation and honouring the memory of the women who actually fucking fought on the frontlines, as well as exploring almost entirely unseen WW2 locations and theatres of battle by showing female soldiers/partisans in the Polish Home Army and the Chinese Army and having the game be atleast partially based around parts of the war that are unexplored by popular culture.

Personally I prefer option B, and tbh after they took a slight risk in going to uncharted territory with WW1, im disappointed more than anything they didnt do this again and present a WW2 game unlike anything seen before, that actually could be argued to have social importance by highlighting shit 99% of the population have zero awareness of.
 
Meanwhile, if you want a strong woman in your game, why not play Shadow Of the Tomb Raider when it drops?

Eidos Montreal even got in Jill Murray, aka the lead writer of AC III and AC IV: Black Flag in to write the new game's story.

Ya know, a woman who can write minorities and women without it coming across as pointless pandering retardation?

She even makes sure she knows what the fuck is going on in the games technically too.

Especially as the whole schtick of the last two Tomb Raider Games has been developing Lara Croft, how vulnerable she can be as a young woman, and how she still winds up kicking ass and triumphing over adversity? Since the reboot in 2013 it's had the very talented Rhianna Pratchett (ya know, fucking Terry Pratchett's daughter) at the helm.

I just feel this is somehow a way better message being sent then some swedish dipshit shoving a crippled woman into WW2 in the frontlines pointlessly.
 
a) actually present it as an alternate history game from the getgo. In the trailer have a squadren of P.1000 Ratte Tanks being swarmed by dieselpunk cyborg SAS commandos in a London thats pretty much turned into Stalingrad, and then the reveal of crippled generic brunette british woman will not even be a damn footnote in fan reactions

b) actually give two rightful shits about representation and honouring the memory of the women who actually fucking fought on the frontlines, as well as exploring almost entirely unseen WW2 locations and theatres of battle by showing female soldiers/partisans in the Polish Home Army and the Chinese Army and having the game be atleast partially based around parts of the war that are unexplored by popular culture.

Option A is preferable to me because it gives creative freedom, but I seem to recall Medal of Honor or some similar WW2 themed game way way back in the day having a female French Resistance protag.

There are ways to do what they want to do (or claim to). They just don't want to do it right and instead halfass it and then say the people who don't like it are bigots.
 
Meanwhile, if you want a strong woman in your game, why not play Shadow Of the Tomb Raider when it drops?

Eidos Montreal even got in Jill Murray, aka the lead writer of AC III and AC IV: Black Flag in to write the new game's story.

Ya know, a woman who can write minorities and women without it coming across as pointless pandering exceptionalism?

She even makes sure she knows what the fuck is going on in the games technically too.

Especially as the whole schtick of the last two Tomb Raider Games has been developing Lara Croft, how vulnerable she can be as a young woman, and how she still winds up kicking ass and triumphing over adversity? Since the reboot in 2013 it's had the very talented Rhianna Pratchett (ya know, fucking Terry Pratchett's daughter) at the helm.

I just feel this is somehow a way better message being sent then some swedish dipshit shoving a crippled woman into WW2 in the frontlines pointlessly.
Whoa there, settle down Beavis.

The Tomb Raider reboot was a mediocre AAA game and Rhianna Pratchett is most famous for being the product of Terry's loins. Talent isn't hereditary.

Still, your point is well made and considering a Battlefield game is 0.2% campaign and 1000% multiplayer clearly the "representation" thing is "here's some lame custom options because we're too lazy to research on how soldiers actually personalized their gear".

Battlefield shouldn't bother with campaigns. They should just release yearly updates for MP and keep their normie fan base happy.
 
Social Justice in action!

People are bitching because the girl with the metal claw is a frontline soldier. Company claims -isms because they're literally too fucking lazy and stupid to do something compelling and historically accurate.
 
>market your game as an historical representation of ww2
>add fucking robot arms and trans woman
>surprised when people that like ww2 call you out on your bs
Reminder that if those faggots didnt market their shitty pc game as a loving recreasion of ww2 most people wouldnt even give a shit
If you're gonna add things that werent there might as well make your game sci fi with ww2 setting
Fair point. They asked for the criticism when they chose to tout the product as accurate. If I claim I can paint like Michelangelo, I can't get mad at a customer who receives only a shitty cartoon and calls me out on it. Don't write checks with your mouth that your ass can't cash.
 
I wonder if this Gamergate SJW garbage will ever die. Most of these snowflakes don't even game in the first place.

May be out of place to discuss here but over the last few years I’ve noticed a pattern.

Successful game series from the past gain a fan base (Fallout, Starwars, Wolfenstien, Battlefield). You get 2-4 ‘good’ classic games out of the series before the company gets swallowed up and money floods in from a big developer.

Money attracts people in as companies expand and you start hiring people beyond programming nerds and people who know history and tend to want to capture it. From my personal experience it’s the HR sector expanding inside a company that dooms it. HR has hiring quotas and try and tend to hire friends/family over others.

From here you see them start to latch onto meetings about creating new products. This is when you see quality of the product take a back seat to both the bottom line profit and the idea of ‘inclusive’ gameplay.

This leads to a mediocre game that still sells well banking on the previous games while the detrimental elements in the company grow stronger. This is how we get STRONK. Trans-black wymans included in the game.

At this point the ball is rolling too fast to stop and the game released is going to be a shit fest focusing on politics rather than gameplay that will eventually tank the game series. Then the series dies after terrible sales and the leeches move on to the next product.

What I’m optimistic about is both companies that say fuck off to the initial attempt at parasiting the company and the eventual rise of new IPs/companies who will make their initial couple of games to enjoy before going downhill.

Hopefully this sort of pattern will die out but if you apply it in a historical sense, it’s very similar to the rise and fall of real life empires and Kingdoms. Pattern is here to stay I fear, but at least we get 1-2 good games out of the cycle before they fall.
 
So not really a WW2 game, but Britain vs Germany (hint: Britain doesn't fare well) aaaand it's turning in to CoD.

Got it.

Give it two to three months and it'll be under $40. Anyone remember Hardline? Yeah. They expected Youtubers to be able to sell that game. It was shit and I don't think a single person plays it anymore.

Don't remind me about Hardline. It's far too painful.
 
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