🐱 The Unofficial Battlefield Subreddit Has Officially Had It With ‘Historical Accuracy’ Complaints

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Battlefield V will have women. When this was revealed during the game’s announcement stream last month, most people said “oh neat” and got on with their lives. A vocal handful, however, found this offensively out of place in their “historically accurate” series about ramping tanks over horses. Weeks later, they still haven’t stopped complaining about it. Now, the Battlefieldsubreddit has had enough.

The moderators of the Battlefield subreddit—one of the series’ largest single discussion forums, with nearly 130,000 users—posted a particularly pointed thread today putting a stop to conversations of the game series and historical accuracy.



“We’re done, its over,” a mod wrote in an announcement thread. “New rule: No more bitching about historical accuracy, it’s a game, not a history book. Violations will have consequences.”

The moderator added that threads about historical accuracy—which usually center around the presence of women and black people and recently have featured greatest hits like a guy lying about being a historian and another person suggesting that it’d be fine for marginalized people to be in the game so long as they stayed in their place—have resulted in toxic mobs of people who aren’t even part of the community repeatedly going to war against the subreddit.

“This issue has been discussed in a million fucking threads, but we’ve never been brigaded more than we have in the past months,” the mod wrote. “Admins can only keep up with so much. We’re done wasting our time on this, every point has been made, no you’re not sexists or whatever, but this shit is just repetitive now.”

It’s important to note that the Battlefield subreddit is not controlled by, affiliated with, or paid by EA. Earlier this week, however, EA chief creative officer Patrick Soderlund also told the ceaselessly pedantic (but definitely not sexist) mobs to just deal with it.

“We don’t take any flak,” Soderlund said in an interview with Gamasutra, referring to the backlash surrounding the inclusion of women in Battlefield V. “We stand up for the cause, because I think those people who don’t understand it, well, you have two choices: either accept it or don’t buy the game. I’m fine with either or. It’s just not ok."
 
So the answer is, kill sports fans.

Or, ya know, encourage EA into just focusing on its profitable core and sell off the IPs it doesn't use for a decent profit.

EA is just not a creative or imaginative publishing house. The head-rot of Bioware Montreal and their failure to acquire anything of THQ proved that in spades. The fact this rot has now spread into DICE is also not a good sign whatsoever. You'd have thought after the monumental fuckups of Andromeda and Battlefront they'd have learned they were headed for dicey financial rocks with this pursuit, but nope.

Its constant "max profitability" model just doesn't work out well for anything outside of its main core and it controls most of its studios so tightly as to be suffocating.
 
More people should play Forgotten Hope 2, it's the best mod for Battlefield 2, and it's a very authentic WW2 shooter that actually features a playable Finnish faction including Australia, the Polish and the Italian. There's also a level in the game that entirely recreates the last battle from Saving Private Ryan. That or just stick to the middle market games like Post Scriptum and Hell Let Loose.

Just need more Americans to play with me whenever I feel like playing FH2, I'm too dependent on fucking Germans(Of all people) to play FH2.
 
“We’re making a game focused on Britain and Germany in WW2. We want some more women in the game. How do?”

“Britain? WW2 forces? Women! Fucking brilliant! We can make an entire section focused on the Bletchley Park codebreakers! Mostly women! Plus Alan Turing, genius persecuted for being gay! You know historians agree that the Bletchley codebreakers shortened the war by two to four years and probably turned the war in Europe in the Allies’ favour? We can make it the most incredible complex game, cryptonanalysis and everything! We could directly link your progress there to buffing your combat divisions, jus like real wartime intelligence!”

“Fuck that. Put tits on a soldier.”

“But what about the women in the Special Operations Executive? Sent abroad to spy and assist resistance on the continent? We could do undercover recon missions with them in the lead! You know most of them died on operations since they couldn’t be supported? Absolute brass ovaries, all of them”

“Tits. Soldier. Make her muscly too.”

“Okay, okay you want guns? We could incorporate the female anti aircraft batteries then? A shooting section?”

“GIVE HER A METAL CLAW”
 
“We’re making a game focused on Britain and Germany in WW2. We want some more women in the game. How do?”

“Britain? WW2 forces? Women! Fucking brilliant! We can make an entire section focused on the Bletchley Park codebreakers! Mostly women! Plus Alan Turing, genius persecuted for being gay! You know historians agree that the Bletchley codebreakers shortened the war by two to four years and probably turned the war in Europe in the Allies’ favour? We can make it the most incredible complex game, cryptonanalysis and everything! We could directly link your progress there to buffing your combat divisions, jus like real wartime intelligence!”

“Fuck that. Put tits on a soldier.”

“But what about the women in the Special Operations Executive? Sent abroad to spy and assist resistance on the continent? We could do undercover recon missions with them in the lead! You know most of them died on operations since they couldn’t be supported? Absolute brass ovaries, all of them”

“Tits. Soldier. Make her muscly too.”

“Okay, okay you want guns? We could incorporate the female anti aircraft batteries then? A shooting section?”

“GIVE HER A METAL CLAW”

Ya know, you could actually make an entire game about women in WW2 and it'd be insanely badass. You'd go from the SOE folks, to the AA batteries, the the "Attagirls" who flew transport and ambulance aircraft among other things.

Never mind the Russian Front.

So you could have puzzle breaking for Blechley Park (where female mathmeticians were considered instrumental).

You'd have the stealth section with an SOE agent (and could even go so far as to show the horrors of Dachau were several female SOE agents would be executed).

For your on rails section you've got the Ack Ack Girls during the Blitz, letting you have a whole London/East End scape on fire.

Aircraft section could be that of an Ambulance Plane under attack and thus having to try and avoid enemy fighters trying to take you out.

Then if you want your tanks or your heroic female fighters for your run and gun action, you jump on over to the Eastern Front.

But ya know, that Dev has a daughter and rather than telling her some real history (like how Sweden sat out the fucking war like cowards) he's going to give her a warped rewrite that cheapens the sacrifices people made because "MUH NARRATIVE."
 
Ya know, you could actually make an entire game about women in WW2 and it'd be insanely badass. You'd go from the SOE folks, to the AA batteries, the the "Attagirls" who flew transport and ambulance aircraft among other things.

Never mind the Russian Front.

So you could have puzzle breaking for Blechley Park (where female mathmeticians were considered instrumental).

You'd have the stealth section with an SOE agent (and could even go so far as to show the horrors of Dachau were several female SOE agents would be executed).

For your on rails section you've got the Ack Ack Girls during the Blitz, letting you have a whole London/East End scape on fire.

Aircraft section could be that of an Ambulance Plane under attack and thus having to try and avoid enemy fighters trying to take you out.

Then if you want your tanks or your heroic female fighters for your run and gun action, you jump on over to the Eastern Front.

But ya know, that Dev has a daughter and rather than telling her some real history (like how Sweden sat out the fucking war like cowards) he's going to give her a warped rewrite that cheapens the sacrifices people made because "MUH NARRATIVE."

Hell, you could even do a Call Of Duty historical figure thing with the Ambulance section and have the then Princess Elizabeth fixing your vehicle up.
 
I'd play a game focused solely on the Russian female snipers of WW2 real damn quick.

Hell, put Infinity Ward back in the mix with the original CoD on the PC and tell them to make it. Fucking loved that single player campaign playing as the Russians. Getting told you can't flee and if you do, your superior will shoot you. Not even given a gun at first, but just a clip. Fucking hell it was amazing. It was the game that got me in WW2 history to begin with.
 
I'd play a game focused solely on the Russian female snipers of WW2 real damn quick.

Hell, put Infinity Ward back in the mix with the original CoD on the PC and tell them to make it. Fucking loved that single player campaign playing as the Russians. Getting told you can't flee and if you do, your superior will shoot you. Not even given a gun at first, but just a clip. Fucking hell it was amazing. It was the game that got me in WW2 history to begin with.

I don't think EA and DICE would be likely to do that, putting Russians front and center, even if they are women, is essentially saying your with Putin and Trump! Considering how political they are in California and certain Canadian Provinces.

Plus the executives upstairs wouldn't be interested in anything where you can't buy a neon cape for $5 or something for monetization purposes.
 
I don't think EA and DICE would be likely to do that, putting Russians front and center, even if they are women, is essentially saying your with Putin and Trump! Considering how political they are in California and certain Canadian Provinces.

Plus the executives upstairs wouldn't be interested in anything where you can't buy a neon cape for $5 or something for monetization purposes.
And this is why we know for absolute certainty their claims of "MUH RIGHT SIDE OF HISTORY! MUH BRAV PROGRESSIVE STATEMENT!" shittery is all absolute pigswill. Anyone with a thinking brain could have probably convinced the higher ups after the massive success of BF1 exploring unseen locations, concepts, conflicts, and factions, that doing this again with a WW2 shooter would get similar success and praise. There is no goddamn excuse why they could not have done the same 5 minutes of research I did to find three major WW2 factions that are both horribly underrepresented as a whole (russia, china, poland), and also contained female soldiers and partisans on the proverbial and literal front lines.

The fans would have been universally praising this shit since it would be a massive shakeup of the traditional way WW2 shooters are done, the disinterested vidya players would have happily bought it the same as they do every other interchangable WW2 shooter, and the SJWs they are trying to pander to would have no fucking choice but to praise that shit unless they were so hilariously petty that they threw a tantrum that "the wrong women" were being highlighted....which would probably make everyone that much more eager to spit in their face and give the game a chance
 
Its a fucking EA game. Soon, EAs properties will solely consist of Battlefield and Sports. Anthem is going to get its shit pushed in by 'The Division 2' and 'Destiny 2'. Fuck, maybe even Fallout 76. Bioware is a dead brand.

The entire exercise of this Battlefield was a carefully orchestrated marketing strategy to get the Game Journalists furiously masturbating over it while at the same time pissing everyone else off. The entire point was to get people talking about the game. To them, great success. Remember the last time a Battlefield boycott happened? Oh yeah, everyone bought it. Remember when Battlefront 1 was shit? Oh yeah, everyone bought 2.

They're looking for 12 year olds who want 'cool shit', so cyborg arm and samurai sword. They don't care about the grognards, they care about just getting that word of mouth out.

The same with TLoU 2. That whole fucking scene was a pure gimmick. Again, they knew it'd stir people up because its obvious fucking pandering, game journalists would masturbate over it and get people talking about the game. Also, some other developer called the gameplay section bullshit and had to walk back after intense heat from Naughty Dog.

So yeah. All this progtard crap being shoved in games isn't part of a political agenda. Its part of a marketing strategy to get people talking about their game in order to raise awareness so more people buy it. It will stop when the progtard crap will push more people away and attract less to them. Vote with your wallet. Besides, this looks like shit anyway. Go full Steampunk, fantasy WWII or don't. Don't fucking half-ass it.
 
They could've even gone the route of doing literally any of the other campaigns that took place besides the same old USA/Britain/Russia vs Germany in Europe. They haven't done USA vs Japan since MoH if I remember correctly. Let's hit up North Africa for a change of scenery.

Let me play as a Polish, Jew, or even a fucking French resistance fighter. Shit, I'd even play as the fucking Axis for a change of pace.
 
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I refuse to believe that any of the ‘strong female leads’ in this game are going to be anywhere near as hard as nails as Violette Szabo.
 
And this is why we know for absolute certainty their claims of "MUH RIGHT SIDE OF HISTORY! MUH BRAV PROGRESSIVE STATEMENT!" shittery is all absolute pigswill. Anyone with a thinking brain could have probably convinced the higher ups after the massive success of BF1 exploring unseen locations, concepts, conflicts, and factions, that doing this again with a WW2 shooter would get similar success and praise. There is no goddamn excuse why they could not have done the same 5 minutes of research I did to find three major WW2 factions that are both horribly underrepresented as a whole (russia, china, poland), and also contained female soldiers and partisans on the proverbial and literal front lines.

The fans would have been universally praising this shit since it would be a massive shakeup of the traditional way WW2 shooters are done, the disinterested vidya players would have happily bought it the same as they do every other interchangable WW2 shooter, and the SJWs they are trying to pander to would have no fucking choice but to praise that shit unless they were so hilariously petty that they threw a tantrum that "the wrong women" were being highlighted....which would probably make everyone that much more eager to spit in their face and give the game a chance

I'm not even a WW2 buff, and you could easily go for historical things to break the mould, actually back up your "forget what you learned in history class" motif. But politically they won't do it, because making people question that there are only "goodies" and "baddies" in war is dangerous thinking.

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As someone who literally owns all the disks to every pre Battlefield 4 game. I'm gotta say the series is already fucked by EA even before any of this shit. Lets be real here. Even if they were to make the game historically accurate and get rid of the fucking claw arm (out of everything the brintbong claw arm sniper thing gets me the most), it would still have the issue of being made by EA and being as cancerous as fuck.

Battlefield was never super realistic ditto CoD. Both of them stopped caring about realism long ago (weed guns etc.). I get that but damn, could you guys at least pretend. I mean you can have black Germans in WW1 , just have the battles set in German East Africa against the Brits. But that would require them to acutely make map and assets. Lord knows EA is to cheap to do that. They are purely doing this to expand their demographic and get as many suckers as they can.


A good video dissecting BF1's core gameplay issues.

Just play other games out there. Post Scriptum, Rising Storm/Red Orchestra/ Forgotten Hope 2, Day of Infamy. All of these games do gameplay, business model, and even "diversity" better in every fucking way.


You are pretty much correct, but to do that and do it well would require EA to give a shit about make a good product and putting effort in.

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Sides check out WW3 if you want a promising modern day setting battlefield game without the fucking cancer

 
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"Journalists" need a bogeyman.

No, "Journalists" and Snowflakes need a Zyklon B steam bath.

Tasteless jokes aside, this behavior will die in time, assuming the people don't die first.

Why do I say this? Because anger puts great amounts of stress on the cardiovascular system and a person's mentality. And being angry so often and to such a level... It'll kill you in time, assuming your life style or mentality doesn't do it first.
 
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