The US South through a Colonization Lens - Shower thought about white liberals

[Climaxing Sunset]

But Southern culture was quickly rehabilitated. Reconstruction efforts were halted and the country united behind racism.

The South was left economically disadvantaged by the Yankee north for many decades. Sure there was a unity under a White American identity (a mix of European ethnicities), but alas that didn’t mend the divisions entirely especially after the 1940-1950s when the “tribe” financed civil rights and attacks Southern culture

 

[Breadbassket]

The South was left economically disadvantaged by the Yankee north for many decades. Sure there was a unity under a White American identity (a mix of European ethnicities), but alas that didn’t mend the divisions entirely especially after the 1940-1950s when the “tribe” financed civil rights and attacks Southern culture

The American North has seemingly always viewed the inhabitants of the American South as "backwards" and "stupid". They make fun of the accent, they make fun of the culture, they make fun of its customs. This applies in both pre and post-Civil War USA. People just want always someone to look down on I guess. The Southern planters would hate the poor farmers, the poor farmers would look down on the slaves and vice versa, the Northerners would look down on all of them. Then the majority (as many people back in earlier days of the USA were Protestant) would look down on Catholics and especially the Irish.

For the Southerners that rage against their own heritage and submit to the whims of modern liberals there will be no reward. The Confederate States of America will always be punching bag because its something in the distant past, its soldiers are long since dead and since its been out of living memory long enough its difficult to respond to any mythologized aspects of its history easily.

 

[Ughubughughughughughghlug]

You all ever heard about hookworm?

It's interesting, because on one hand I've read the actual original analysis (Bleakley) that gave the statistical argument for it, and it sounds sensible, but I also don't particularly like that it does amount to saying "well yes, Southerners were retards." I guess it's possible they MAY have been, I definitely don't see it in the world around me now.

Basically, hookworms are parasites that really like the soil and climate specific to the Lowland South, and they burrow up kid's bare feet and then suck all the life out of them, making them sluggish and difficult to concentrate. A large chunk of the population was infected with hookworms and didn't know it (if everybody is sluggish and slow at thinking, you don't think they're sick, you think they're just normal and a non-infected person seems vigorous and a quick-thinker). Eventually they went through and started building proper toilets and deworming kids and all that. But now some people argue it was the root behind the stereotype of Southerners as stupid and lazy.

I mean, I've seen hte evidence for it, but I just don't quite believe it. And I think if you go back to the colonial roots you find a massive superiority complex unlike anything else in Yankees from the very get go, has actually gotten better since then.

 

[Slap47]

You all ever heard about hookworm?

It's interesting, because on one hand I've read the actual original analysis (Bleakley) that gave the statistical argument for it, and it sounds sensible, but I also don't particularly like that it does amount to saying "well yes, Southerners were retards." I guess it's possible they MAY have been, I definitely don't see it in the world around me now.

Basically, hookworms are parasites that really like the soil and climate specific to the Lowland South, and they burrow up kid's bare feet and then suck all the life out of them, making them sluggish and difficult to concentrate. A large chunk of the population was infected with hookworms and didn't know it (if everybody is sluggish and slow at thinking, you don't think they're sick, you think they're just normal and a non-infected person seems vigorous and a quick-thinker). Eventually they went through and started building proper toilets and deworming kids and all that. But now some people argue it was the root behind the stereotype of Southerners as stupid and lazy.

I mean, I've seen hte evidence for it, but I just don't quite believe it. And I think if you go back to the colonial roots you find a massive superiority complex unlike anything else in Yankees from the very get go, has actually gotten better since then.

I was unaware of this, but I think its just another factor.

The Appalachians and South just have a fundamentally different origin from the north. New England and most of the north was founded by immigrants (Puritans, Germans, Irish, Italians, etc) who believed in small-scale democracy and education. Their colonial master for nearly their entire history tried to make money from them via trade instead of just stealing their resources. It was a place founded by normal communities. These places had high literacy, people invested in their communities, and govts invested in their people. A good foundation for a good civilization.

Appalachia (often considering itself the south) was founded by people who had nowhere to go and built by profiteering investors from somewhere else that abandoned them at the first sign of trouble. The south was dominated by a plantation economy and ruled by several different colonial empires that merely extracted wealth from them. People came to the south for money and stuck around because they had nowhere else to go or could not go. A system destined to create a population not incentivized to learn, not willing to invest in their communities, and unable to govern themselves.

The Jamestown vs Plymouth discussion gets alot of hate, but its a good way to see the way each region had its own foundations.

Thomas Sowell's assertion that you could take the black man out of the south, but not the south out of the black man is quite funny, but I believe it. I also believe it in regards to lolcows. The southern lolcow is a unique combination of machismo, racism, obesity, and hypocrisy. You can send them to Boston or LA, but they will remain the same.

 

[soulgains]

The Confederacy was just a kike-anglo ploy to destroy America and further cement the power of private banks. You people hate niggers so much that you can't see the forest for the trees.

 

[Ughubughughughughughghlug]

It's a very old post so yeah, necropost, but I was reading over this again and @Lensherr struck me:

There’s a really good book by Colin Woodard called American Nations that describes how America is really 11 different individual confederations held together by a central government. Two of these nations are what he calls Yankeedom and the Deep South. The former was founded by Puritans who envisioned a collectivist religious utopia, and the latter by Anglo-American West Indies plantation owners who something more akin to an old Greco-Roman enlightened, civilized, idle slave society. Because these visions of society are so at odds with each other, the two nations have fought endlessly over the North American continent. For various reasons, Yankeedom has tended to dominate in the end, whether that conflict be the Civil War or the fight over civil rights in the 60s. This, of course, has led to a lot of resentment from white southerners who feel that their culture is being eroded.

...I personally think things would be better off today if the South was able to peacefully secede to form its own nation separate from the North and the Civil War didn’t happen. But that was always unlikely considering the North’s hatred for the South and its desire to bring “civilization” to the “backwards savages”.

The part about the Greco-Roman society is significant to understanding the Southern mentality. Because people are not willing to engage with White supremacist ideologies on their own terms they tend to go at it with this patronizing view that the South didn't properly understand classical liberalism. And I myself frequently refer to it as reactionary, at least in that it was literally reacting to protect and extend a system under attack. But the Fire Eaters and their intellectual predecessors weren't knuckle-draggers that didn't understand liberalism, they were people who had a completely different understanding of it rooted partially in racial science of the times and partially in classical antiquity. The ideology that was forming around it was unique and if allowed to exist would have wound up looking a lot like Athens or Rome. Jacksonian democracy, after all, was 100% liberal and friendly to slavery.

On the other hand, I don't feel the world would be better off with a successful Southern secession, because I don't believe they would have voluntarily emancipated the slaves unless the system was in full-on catastrophic meltdown, and I don't consider the harm to Whites resulting from the War and centralization of power (which didn't really flourish until much later) to outweigh their much more intense suffering. But I do think the early United States could have been perfected by excluding New England and the Deep South. Neither can live with the other and each is or has been repulsive, toxic, in its own way. The difference was that repeated defeat forced the Deep South to reform, whereas New England has just been enabled to become worse and worse until now when it and its tard babies are threatening to kill the whole society.

 

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The South is 100% a colonized nation. It's a textbook case of the periphery exploited by the core for cheap labor and resources. In fact, the South was actually directly exploited by Britain pre-Civil War--guess who bought all that cotton and was loaning money to banks who'd loan it to slaveowners? The South is probably the only region of the US with a coherent identity still, since New England was submerged in the 80s by brown people, communism, plus the white ethnics never really assimilated there. It's actually impressive how Southern symbols are regarded with the vitriol usually reserved for Nazism, and it isn't a surprise you can readily find verbatim quotes from progressives claiming the CSA was the second most evil country ever (Nazi Germany, whose defeat the modern world is founded on, always being the first).

On the other hand, the South was led by people who did not want to implement the program of sending the blacks back to Africa because they wanted to keep their Greco-Roman-Biblical slavemaster larp going (but with sharecroppers this time). Even someone like Theodore Bilbo, who worked with Marcus Garvey, seems to have been into it as a way to one-up his rivals within the Democrats. The Southern leadership was the most greedy and corrupt of all of them, which is saying something given the era.

And we have to consider the Southerner is a dysgenic sort of white. They can't speak proper English, they revel in violence and ignorance, and they're easily led by the nose. Black Americans copied this sort of Southern degeneracy. The reason the South isn't as bad as California isn't because the Southerner wants liberty, it's because he doesn't care to understand the glories of diversity and worship of queers. But he also doesn't care to understand why those ideologies are bad, so his politicians are fraudsters with nothing but "muh Jesus" and "muh veterans" who hate him, like Asa Hutchinson.

It's too bad. The South will forever be despoiled by both carpetbagging communists (who have ruined Georgia, NC, Virginia, etc) and the ignorance of their own people who buy into the hollow and empty words of their politicians. Corporations can destroy the South and its lovely environment (they mine coal on the West Coast, but they sure aren't blowing up mountains and polluting rivers to get at it) on the taxpayer dime all while promoting ideologies that seek to erase the South as a nation and that go against humanity itself, but the Southerner will gladly support it because he's been taught that doing otherwise is communism and big gubmint.

 

[Shidoen]

I'd say the best thing for the south would be to cut the racial shit as soon as possible, cut off the standard education by the federal government and get some actual useful lessons just as Andrew Jackson wanted publicly available, admit to the evil of slavery while also still trying to preserve southern society pre-civil war for everyone to partake in, and most of all try to cut out all that federal debt so there's a slim piece of self-reliance. It's a hard and idealistic road but it's better than people chimping out over the confederate memorials when Robert E Lee would have probably called both sides ignorant niggers like Lincoln.