War The West may now have no option but to attack Iran - Tehran will only accept it has miscalculated if it faces significant costs for its recent acts of aggression

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Houthi attacks on commercial shipping and US Navy vessels in the Red Sea threaten the global economy, endangering the vital Suez Canal trade route. As if 14 such attacks in the past month, and against Israel directly, were not enough, Iran has now joined the fray. The Pentagon said on December 23 that an Iranian-launched drone struck an Israeli-affiliated merchant ship in the Indian Ocean.
This marks the first time since October 7 that Washington has directly blamed Iran, even with over 100 attacks on US personnel in Iraq and Syria by Iran-dependent Shia militia, on which the White House has fudged in assigning responsibility. Tehran denied the Indian Ocean attack, repeating its mantra that Hamas operates independently in warring against Israel. Nevertheless, India deployed guided-missile destroyers to the region, and seeks more evidence on the vector of the attack.
Just after Christmas, however, Iran committed the classic “Washington gaffe” – i.e., telling the truth accidentally – when the Revolutionary Guard Corps reportedly described Hamas’s barbaric assault as “one of the acts of revenge for the assassination of General [Qassem] Soleimani by the US and the Zionists”. Hamas immediately denied the linkage, no more credibly than the Revolutionary Guard Corps’ subsequent effort to walk back its revealing “revenge” declaration.
The critical truth here is that Iran has directly committed an act of war against what it believed was an Israeli target. While hardly comparable to Hamas’s barbarity, Hizbollah and Houthi attacks, or Iran’s own massive arms and intelligence support, Tehran has now crossed the line of armed hostilities. The West’s operating assumption should be to expect more of the same. Iran has, for example, recently threatened shutting down commercial shipping across the Mediterranean. It is Iranian belligerence driving potential escalation, not Western self-defence.
The Biden administration, much of the media, and Iran’s propagandists will probably continue ignoring the reality of who is calling the shots in this conflict. But the evidence is growing inexorably that October 7 was intended to draw Jewish blood to implement Soleimani’s “ring of fire” strategy, with Iran pressing Israel on multiple fronts, directing operations via terrorists and state actors it has armed, trained, and financed.
Iran’s near-term objectives remain opaque. Was Hamas’s brutal surprise attack a one-off gambit, to see if Israel’s government collapsed; to assess Western support for Israel; to block an Israeli-Saudi exchange of full diplomatic relations; or some combination? Was Iran waiting to see if Israel became bogged down militarily in Gaza, and then decide its next step?
Or was Hamas simply the first Iran surrogate to launch? Hizbollah has fired rockets and mortars ever since, forcing Israel to evacuate civilians from a two-kilometer-wide strip along the Lebanon border. While Hizbollah has not yet initiated a full-fledged attack, it has husbanded its arsenal, perhaps awaiting the opportune moment.
Both Houthi and Shia militia attacks have been met with only feeble and ineffective Western responses. Neither Hamas, nor Houthis, nor Iraqi militia have yet prompted the US or Israel to retaliate directly against Iran.
Obviously, Tehran does not feel pressured enough to restrain its expendable surrogates, proving that the West has not established conditions for deterrence, thereby potentially cooling the conflict down. The White House and its media stenographers repeat endlessly that they do not want the current hostilities to spread, but Biden’s non-strategy, based on hope, will not succeed.
Only if Israel, America, Britain, and others show they possess the resolve and capability to impose significant costs on Iran, as punishment for its aggression, will they persuade the ayatollahs that proceeding further will bring them intolerable pain. Very likely, only direct military force, applied against critical targets inside Iran, will impose such costs, proving to Tehran it has miscalculated not only about Israel, but on President Biden and the West more generally. That is why the evidence of a direct Iranian attack on a commercial ship in the Indian Ocean is potentially so important.
It has been clear for years that overthrowing the mullahs, replacing them with some other form of government that enjoys the support of Iran’s citizenry, is central to decreasing insecurity throughout the Middle East. Arab funding of terrorist actions against Israel is hard to find today, especially as full, open diplomatic relations with Jerusalem continue to expand. If Iran’s line of credit to the likes of Hamas, Hizbollah, the Houthis, and other barbarians disappears, their ability to survive except in remote Afghan encampments will palpably decrease.
That is the outcome Washington and London should seek. Instead of pushing Israel for more “pauses”, “truces”, “ceasefires” or the like, allow Jerusalem to achieve its legitimate objective of eliminating Hamas as a military and political force. That is one sure way to convince the ayatollahs their gambit has failed, and their own end may be near.

John Bolton is a former US national security adviser
 
I thought Bolton was dead. Why the fuck is he still alive? This fuck is batshit insane.

Also, with people making the America-Rome comparisons:

  • Crassus invades Iran, his army gets crushed and his head is turned into a golden goblet
  • Marc Antony tries to invade Iran, ends in disaster with his supply chain totally wiped
  • Julius Caesar plans to invade Iran, he is assassinated the next day
  • Emperor Trajan invades Iran, he conquers some territory but then the Jews act up again and then he dies of heat stroke
  • Cassius invades Iran. Rumors come that Marcus Aurelius died of plague and suddenly he is forced to be an imperial usurper and then forced to commit suicide when it's revealed Marcus was still alive
  • Emperor Caracalla invades Iran and wipes it out, this causes the existing Parthian Empire to be so weak it is replaced by the Sassanid Empire who would be one of Rome's greatest adversaries, and Caracalla is assassinated a year later anyways
  • The Sassanids would be the first empire to ever capture a Roman Empire Valerian and then they flayed him alive
  • Emperor Carus invaded Iran and when he reached a certain point was struck by lightning
  • Emperor Galerius won against Iran but (albeit years later) died of bowel cancer and gangrene so bad it smelled up the whole palace
  • Emperor Julian invades Iran in a campaign that ends in disaster and was killed by a random spear
  • The Byzantines are constantly forced to give humiliating settlements to Persia to keep them from sacking the Near East throughout the 7th century
  • The final war between the Byzantines and Persia nearly led to the total destruction of the Roman state and even after Emperor Heraclius barely won, the Empire was so weak the Arabs easily took half their empire

I am not saying going to war with Iran is a massive mistake, I am just saying going to war with Iran is a really fucking massive mistake.
 
I thought Bolton was dead. Why the fuck is he still alive? This fuck is batshit insane.

Also, with people making the America-Rome comparisons:

  • Crassus invades Iran, his army gets crushed and his head is turned into a golden goblet
  • Marc Antony tries to invade Iran, ends in disaster with his supply chain totally wiped
  • Julius Caesar plans to invade Iran, he is assassinated the next day
  • Emperor Trajan invades Iran, he conquers some territory but then the Jews act up again and then he dies of heat stroke
  • Cassius invades Iran. Rumors come that Marcus Aurelius died of plague and suddenly he is forced to be an imperial usurper and then forced to commit suicide when it's revealed Marcus was still alive
  • Emperor Caracalla invades Iran and wipes it out, this causes the existing Parthian Empire to be so weak it is replaced by the Sassanid Empire who would be one of Rome's greatest adversaries, and Caracalla is assassinated a year later anyways
  • The Sassanids would be the first empire to ever capture a Roman Empire Valerian and then they flayed him alive
  • Emperor Carus invaded Iran and when he reached a certain point was struck by lightning
  • Emperor Galerius won against Iran but (albeit years later) died of bowel cancer and gangrene so bad it smelled up the whole palace
  • Emperor Julian invades Iran in a campaign that ends in disaster and was killed by a random spear
  • The Byzantines are constantly forced to give humiliating settlements to Persia to keep them from sacking the Near East throughout the 7th century
  • The final war between the Byzantines and Persia nearly led to the total destruction of the Roman state and even after Emperor Heraclius barely won, the Empire was so weak the Arabs easily took half their empire

I am not saying going to war with Iran is a massive mistake, I am just saying going to war with Iran is a really fucking massive mistake.

You forgot about Saddam Hussein trying to invade Iran in the 80s.

The end result is Saddam getting his army getting buck broken in the two Gulf Wars after it.

And ends up getting hanged.

While Iraq is basically now a vassal to Iran.
 
More war is what we need right now, sure.

Nope. that was solely to rile up Android raptor, I remember that thread. Of fucking course I don't truly believe in that shit.
Be a man, own up to what you said and don't insult everyone's intelligence by trying to play it off as a joke.
 
What's all this then?
I partially agree with the first one about late teenage girls baiting grown ups into sex, and getting off scot free cuz "they're just kids." But by golly don't touch the age of consent cuz that's not that's not the issue here.
 
I thought Bolton was dead. Why the fuck is he still alive? This fuck is batshit insane.

Also, with people making the America-Rome comparisons:

  • Crassus invades Iran, his army gets crushed and his head is turned into a golden goblet
  • Marc Antony tries to invade Iran, ends in disaster with his supply chain totally wiped
  • Julius Caesar plans to invade Iran, he is assassinated the next day
  • Emperor Trajan invades Iran, he conquers some territory but then the Jews act up again and then he dies of heat stroke
  • Cassius invades Iran. Rumors come that Marcus Aurelius died of plague and suddenly he is forced to be an imperial usurper and then forced to commit suicide when it's revealed Marcus was still alive
  • Emperor Caracalla invades Iran and wipes it out, this causes the existing Parthian Empire to be so weak it is replaced by the Sassanid Empire who would be one of Rome's greatest adversaries, and Caracalla is assassinated a year later anyways
  • The Sassanids would be the first empire to ever capture a Roman Empire Valerian and then they flayed him alive
  • Emperor Carus invaded Iran and when he reached a certain point was struck by lightning
  • Emperor Galerius won against Iran but (albeit years later) died of bowel cancer and gangrene so bad it smelled up the whole palace
  • Emperor Julian invades Iran in a campaign that ends in disaster and was killed by a random spear
  • The Byzantines are constantly forced to give humiliating settlements to Persia to keep them from sacking the Near East throughout the 7th century
  • The final war between the Byzantines and Persia nearly led to the total destruction of the Roman state and even after Emperor Heraclius barely won, the Empire was so weak the Arabs easily took half their empire

I am not saying going to war with Iran is a massive mistake, I am just saying going to war with Iran is a really fucking massive mistake.
Then the lesson is to send Greeks to conquer it, or Mongols if you want to really destroy it.
 
I'm sure every gutless chickenhawk is salivating at the thought of living out their WWII fantasies through yet another worthless interventionist war. :roll: Meanwhile, these same hypocrites will be completely detached and unaffected by the events that unfold there.
 
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