The Whale - Darren Aronofsky's new film with Brendan Fraser in a fat suit

[Übertroon]

The movie wanting you to sympathise with the daugther despite her character makes total sense when you consider that current dogma is that women can not be responsible for their flaws, and having a father that's an asshole gives you the right to be an even bigger asshole

 

[Your Starter for 10]

It's just a movie that you need to understand going in. If you go in with the understanding that you are watching a character study of an inept, but degenerate and evil villain, the movie makes sense and is actually quite enjoyable.

It's like the movie Precious. If you go in with the understanding that it's actually a comedy with an ironic soundtrack, the movie is suddenly watchable, and actually quite fun!

 

[TVB]

It's like the movie Precious. If you go in with the understanding that it's actually a comedy with an ironic soundtrack, the movie is suddenly watchable, and actually quite fun!

Oh wow, I totally forgot about Precious. That's actually a really great comparison there. Both are fun to watch and aren't really meant to be taken seriously.

 

[HodgePodgeRogerDodger]

Oh, yeah. There’s another parallel in the movie. I think Charlie thinks of himself as Queequeg and the money for his daughter is akin to the coffin that Ishmael floats on. He’s trying to make himself into a Christlike figure despite being an asshole who emotionally manipulates people by being pathetic.

I think it’s a good movie. The relationship that Charlie has with each character is good and I like the whole “saving” theme. Each character is trying to save this fat tub of lard at their own detriment, for their own reasons.

 

[Defensive Ella Purnell]

The movie wanting you to sympathise with the daugther despite her character makes total sense when you consider that current dogma is that women can not be responsible for their flaws, and having a father that's an asshole gives you the right to be an even bigger asshole

Wait, we were meant to sympathise with the daughter? Even despite the current thing being women are always blameless I don't see how there was any way she could be construed as anything other than awful.

She was taking pictures of dead animals (not sure if she killed them) and posting them on social media, terrorising her classmates according to her own mother who also called her evil and was a general cunt to literally everyone.

I thought she was meant to be a hate sink to make us sympathise with literally everyone she interacted with. All the characters were shit but at least had one good quality:

Main guy was a cheating homo who ran out on his family but he genuinely wanted to make things right with his daughter.

Ex-wife was an alcoholic but she brought her cunt daughter up and at least kept dad updated.

The carer was a controlling bitch that wanted to baby him but it was because she cared and didn't want him being hurt or used.

Missionary guy was a liar who had stolen money but he had good intentions and didn't show any malice to anyone.

The daughter was just a horrible bitch with no redeeming qualities at all.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

Wait, we were meant to sympathise with the daughter? Even despite the current thing being women are always blameless I don't see how there was any way she could be construed as anything other than awful.

She was taking pictures of dead animals (not sure if she killed them) and posting them on social media, terrorising her classmates according to her own mother who also called her evil and was a general cunt to literally everyone.

I thought she was meant to be a hate sink to make us sympathise with literally everyone she interacted with. All the characters were shit but at least had one good quality:

Main guy was a cheating homo who ran out on his family but he genuinely wanted to make things right with his daughter.

Ex-wife was an alcoholic but she brought her cunt daughter up and at least kept dad updated.

The carer was a controlling bitch that wanted to baby him but it was because she cared and didn't want him being hurt or used.

Missionary guy was a liar who had stolen money but he had good intentions and didn't show any malice to anyone.

The daughter was just a horrible bitch with no redeeming qualities at all.

One constant in the film (and modern media/society) is that nobody seems to ever be at fault for their actions. The girl doesn't have a father, so she's "justified" in being a terrible person. The worker has a dead brother so she's "justified" in being an enabler and a massive bitch. The whale is a homo so he can shoot a school and come out clean. Only the guy is criticized for being a hypocrite and be disgusted at a deathfat homo.

 

[Sniperwoof]

Wait, we were meant to sympathise with the daughter? Even despite the current thing being women are always blameless I don't see how there was any way she could be construed as anything other than awful.

She was taking pictures of dead animals (not sure if she killed them) and posting them on social media, terrorising her classmates according to her own mother who also called her evil and was a general cunt to literally everyone.

I thought she was meant to be a hate sink to make us sympathise with literally everyone she interacted with. All the characters were shit but at least had one good quality:

Main guy was a cheating homo who ran out on his family but he genuinely wanted to make things right with his daughter.

Ex-wife was an alcoholic but she brought her cunt daughter up and at least kept dad updated.

The carer was a controlling bitch that wanted to baby him but it was because she cared and didn't want him being hurt or used.

Missionary guy was a liar who had stolen money but he had good intentions and didn't show any malice to anyone.

The daughter was just a horrible bitch with no redeeming qualities at all.

No I think the intent is we're supposed to empathize with the daughter's situation and not necessarily her as a person or character.

 

[DeepoxxChokya]

This movie makes much more sense when you realize it was directed by a gnostic jew and that New Life - in the movie - is suppose to be the Jehovah's Witnesses.

Charlie values what he views as truth above all else but he denies the truth of his actions. Charlie ended up destroying Alan because he told Alan that he only needed Charlie, not God. The slant eye also denies God. Everybody is unwilling to give up on one another - like Charlie said - but everybody, including the writer and director, are unwilling to give God the credit as the source of that goodness.

The film actively rejects that premise. It sends Thomas away, in what it thinks is disgrace because he admits that Charlie is disgusting. Not comprehending that God wants to save even the disgusting, but He wants them to live in a way that will save them from ultimate destruction.

At the end of the movie, Charlie is both The Whale and Ahab. Charlie is everything. Everything circles around him and he uses his last moments on Earth to do a pointless task that his daughter gave him when they first met. It's one last selfish act that ultimately kills him but an act Charlie views as a redemptive act.

Charlie and the creators view it as the same good that came out of the evil from the daughter trying to harm Thomas. But nobody realizes that the good wasn't because of the evil, it is because God's grace that was given to Thomas' family. The retards that created this film view death as liberation from the hell Charlie was trapped in. Without realizing that hell is life without God.

The gnostic part is important because they view the true God as perfection and light - symbolized by the movie fading to white - while the demiurge creator of the world is viewed as evil deity that has trapped all of the spiritual within the physical. Gnostics are gay and cringe.

The movie was good but it feels off kilter for the reasons above.