The whole discourse on circumcision is fucked up.

[Certified_Autist]

Rate me autistic or MOTI if you like.

Many men are subject to genital mutilation at birth. If they speak out about it, they are often mocked or made fun of. It is disgusting that male genital mutilation is so casually accepted when there are literally no valid arguments for it.

"removing 80% of the nerves in the penis and destroying the penis' ability to self lubricate has zero effect on sensitivity, and anyone saying otherwise is wrong"

People actually try to claim this, and at that point its just cope/denial because anyone with a brain can see that removing the majority of nerves and removing self-lubrication will negatively affect sensitivity.

"removing the foreskin makes the penis cleaner and leads to lower rates of STDs"

Following this logic, if a body part might maybe cause a problem in the future, or require cleaning, then its totally justified to remove it no matter the consequences.

If you removed all your teeth you would have a lower rate of cavities and gum disease, right? But its ok because your breath won't stink, right?

You wouldn't have to worry about athlete's foot if you just removed your feet, right? But it's ok because your feet won't stink, right?

Its the same logic used to justify male genital mutilation.

"Removing the foreskin makes it look better"

Totally subjective, and not a good reason to destroy half the natural function of the dick

Circumcision should be banned. Its disgusting and there's no reason for it to exist. If you're a child, you should not be genitally mutilated when you have no ability to consent. If you are an adult and you want genital mutilation, you are in the same category as the trannies and deserve to be locked in the asylum with them.

That's my opinion and I stand by it.

 

[Yarp64371234]

That's a way of genital cutting cultures to not accept their mistakes, they lie about information and try to appease these aspects saying that they are morally correct by doing them, using for example the sexual act which isn't bad on the first place to replicate this aspect and continue the cycle, judaism is reflected on this just like most modern places where it's practiced, even if that thing wasn't original on the first place.

Genital cutting reflects to the desire to control people, this is the reason it's done on both sexes and refrains these aspects as positive, it's something very destructive that ironically causes problem in accepting our sexuality, self respect and many other things which get reflected on it, even more when it doesn't solve this problem, just destroys the quality of life by trying to destroy something which wasn't broken.

It incredibly can warp around other cultures when you lie about those aspects, which is the thing that creates people who follow the same ideals and try to show them as superior, even if they have the same origin and wrongs, the simple act of reflecting these values undervalues respect and generates people who try to control normal sexual behavior or misunderstand sex (by believing that it doesn't have a social aspects, that it has an only purpose of reproduction, that abusing others in those relationships is fine, that you need it as a measure instead of a self respecting act for all of the close relationship with one person and more aspects which are broken with it, trying to make it wicked on the first place, something that reflects an involution, the destruction of self respect and the destruction of sexuality on almost all people, something that affects everyone), they live on a culture where they don't understand their organs, so they cannot have real aspects around the function of them.

Now i will send a cool video to see this issue at hand, it's excellently explained and reflects on all the falacies to justify those aspects, it's an excellent overview material which will make you hate kikes:

 

[Joe Swanson]

In my opinion, there's not a good reason to do it outside of being a Jew. But at the same time, it really isn't a huge deal.

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

The Jews got you at birth and you can't do anything about it.

 

[Ughubughughughughughghlug]

Circumcision is fucked up, but the people who make a huge deal out of it tend to be really weird (like, sexual neurotics) and I think that puts people off of listening to them. I think the big thing is that even if reduces penis sensitivity, obviously circumcised men still get enough out of it that they enjoy sex so it's hard to fire people up over a "this really great thing is less great" as opposed to the much more significant pain (as I understand) from female genital mutilation.


Edit: Frankly, I'm more bothered by the existence of declawed cats out there than I am being circumcised.

 

[Fetish Roulette]

Circumcision is fucked up, but the people who make a huge deal out of it tend to be really weird (like, sexual neurotics) and I think that puts people off of listening to them. I think the big thing is that even if reduces penis sensitivity, obviously circumcised men still get enough out of it that they enjoy sex so it's hard to fire people up over a "this really great thing is less great" as opposed to the much more significant pain (as I understand) from female genital mutilation.


Edit: Frankly, I'm more bothered by the existence of declawed cats out there than I am being circumcised.

I agree with you about the cats. What I've never understood though is why some people are all right with neutering their cats but not declawing them- if I had the choice, I'd rather have my fingernails taken away in a painless procedure than my balls.

I also agree with you that circumcision is fucked up, but that the people who go on about it at length when provoked are autistic. Not to go all /pol/tard on the thread, but I think the reason circumcision is so normalized in (American, at least) society is because it started as a Jewish thing which bled over into culture in a more general sense. If I ever have a son, I'm not going to have him circumcised at the hospital, despite being circumcised myself.

 

[Ughubughughughughughghlug]

I agree with you about the cats. What I've never understood though is why some people are all right with neutering their cats but not declawing them- if I had the choice, I'd rather have my fingernails taken away in a painless procedure than my balls.

I also agree with you that circumcision is fucked up, but that the people who go on about it at length when provoked are autistic. Not to go all /pol/tard on the thread, but I think the reason circumcision is so normalized in (American, at least) society is because it started as a Jewish thing which bled over into culture in a more general sense. If I ever have a son, I'm not going to have him circumcised at the hospital, despite being circumcised myself.

I didn't want to neuter my cat but when he started pissing on everything it was the only option. Also took all the fire out of him to explore and calmed him down at night when he'd constantly want outside at the queens. It's unfortunate I didn't do it sooner since they say the long life benefits only come if you do it before they mature.

You only care about your balls because you can think like a human. The cat can't miss his sexual urge if he never feels it. The declawing, on the other hand, amounts to amputating a big chunk of each finger (not just nail, but bone too) and removing his self-defense and one of the basic ways he "feels" the world. Cats have a psychological need to scratch.

 

[Screamer]

For an example of how fucked up the discourse is.
A few years back the BBC (or another British TV network) had a documentary about how female genital mutilation is bad. Casually during it at one point someone openly joked male circumcision.

 

[Weed Eater]

Circumcision should be banned. Its disgusting and there's no reason for it to exist. If you're a child, you should not be genitally mutilated when you have no ability to consent. If you are an adult and you want genital mutilation, you are in the same category as the trannies and deserve to be locked in the asylum with them.

To preface I wholeheartedly agree with the point of this thread, circumcision is genital mutilation and should be looked down upon. It actually became a weird topic of debate for my fiance and I, because I've made it adamantly clear that I will not allow my future son(s), if I even have any, not get the Jew-snip. I don't care if he will be "different looking from his father", I don't care about the "prettiness" of my possible child's genitalia. It should be left the fuck alone, they're just babies.

However, I will bring up the fact that sometimes some adult men are not very lucky in their lives with their intact dicks. Some suffer from phimosis, and while it can be corrected with stretching exercises, sometimes it just isn't enough and those dudes have to worry about getting the snip. I've also heard of some men overproducing smegma and having to deal with general infections due to just how their bodies work (apparently the condition is known as "balanitis"), so those people sometimes are candidates for the snip. So yes, weirdly enough circumcision can have a defining medical reason depending on the dude and what they're personally dealing with.

I agree with you about the cats. What I've never understood though is why some people are all right with neutering their cats but not declawing them- if I had the choice, I'd rather have my fingernails taken away in a painless procedure than my balls.

I also agree with you that circumcision is fucked up, but that the people who go on about it at length when provoked are autistic. Not to go all /pol/tard on the thread, but I think the reason circumcision is so normalized in (American, at least) society is because it started as a Jewish thing which bled over into culture in a more general sense. If I ever have a son, I'm not going to have him circumcised at the hospital, despite being circumcised myself.

I dunno how or why declawing was brought up in a thread about dick snipping of all things but I'll bite and tell you why you're partially wrong.

Declawing isn't just snipping the nails, a cat's nail is connected to a specific nerve and knuckle in their paws. Declawing a cat is like a Brazilian taking a machete and chopping off the first knuckle of every digit on your hands. Even after the surgery scars heal, that cat will forever feel pain and will have a higher chance of developing arthritis, nerve tissue damage, paw pad atrophy, bone overgrowth, enhanced aggression, litter box issues, and other possible outcomes that only negatively affect their health. There is literally no reason for it. At least with human male circumcision you can maybe have one of the very few reasons why somebody may need such a procedure in their adult life. I will give you a point though, declawing I guess can be equated to infant circumcision considering what I already said, the shit is completely unnecessary.

Oh I kinda want to add this as well, back about the dick snipping. Part of why Americans ended up enamored with circumcision practices were both the "cleanliness" myth and the "attractiveness" myth. I've heard many a time about men wanting their sons to get snipped because they want to make sure they "look exactly like dad" because of self-image bullshit. Dr. Kellogg also played a big role in American circumcision influence as well, as he believed circumcision was necessary to keep men from masturbating.

 

[Ughubughughughughughghlug]

I dunno how or why declawing was brought up in a thread about dick snipping of all things but I'll bite and tell you why you're partially wrong.

Just thrown out as an example of a similar sort of medical procedure that society embraces but is much more awful.

I think the anti-male circumcision movement maybe disadvantages itself by making such a big deal out of circumcision, because it looks unhinged? Generally you wouldn't say something like that, if a thing is wrong it should be shown to the public how wrong it is, but when people compare it to female genital mutilation and all that it just makes what's a very valid complaint (this pointless butchery should be banned) look unreasonable by the flippancy of the comparison, like when animal rights activists piss people off by comparing a slaughterhouse to Auschwitz.

 

[Toolbox]

Circumcision is fucked up, but the people who make a huge deal out of it tend to be really weird (like, sexual neurotics) and I think that puts people off of listening to them. I think the big thing is that even if reduces penis sensitivity, obviously circumcised men still get enough out of it that they enjoy sex so it's hard to fire people up over a "this really great thing is less great" as opposed to the much more significant pain (as I understand) from female genital mutilation.


Edit: Frankly, I'm more bothered by the existence of declawed cats out there than I am being circumcised.

There is still a difference between the people who think it is wrong, and the resident evil circumcision theory level of wackjob mad about it. Honestly, it is less the harm done on a "proper" circumcision, but how easy it is for the procedure to be botched especially since it is done for religious reasons, i.e. not an actual medical professional. The pedo-ey nature of some aspects of it makes me a similar level of sick. Though of course this isn't in all cases of it, and there are proper surgeons who will do it for people.
I agree, if it is not done wrong, this isn't as bad as FGM, not nearly, and that examples of how much people treat animals like toys to points like this are on a similar level. The amount of things done to various animals is sick. Removal of venom glands in snakes despite that organ growing back, sewing their mouths shut. In dogs, tail docking, ear docking, and in many cases they have their 'thumb' removed despite it, in its proper form, being a part of how dogs balance their lower leg.

 

[Colon capital V]

Despite being cut myself, I never understood the whole "no dick-cheese build-up" argument.

From the way I understand it, if you don't wash your dick enough, you'll get smegma and itchy rashes. But like, doesn't that go for any body parts that needs to be routinely cleaned like armpits, feet, or brushing your teeth before real bad stuff starts to buildup?

I know I'm kinda repeating that one example from OP, but can any uncircumcised-bros enlighten me on if washing your dick is really any different/worse than any other body part that has gross buildup?

 

[Weed Eater]

Just thrown out as an example of a similar sort of medical procedure that society embraces but is much more awful.

I think the anti-male circumcision movement maybe disadvantages itself by making such a big deal out of circumcision, because it looks unhinged? Generally you wouldn't say something like that, if a thing is wrong it should be shown to the public how wrong it is, but when people compare it to female genital mutilation and all that it just makes what's a very valid complaint (this pointless butchery should be banned) look unreasonable by the flippancy of the comparison, like when animal rights activists piss people off by comparing a slaughterhouse to Auschwitz.

I personally don't think the anti-circumcision movement is "unhinged", the points they've made are more than factual, and the data doesn't lie. Honestly that's the thing that gets me when it comes to it, no matter what facts are presented, you're still going to have the idiots crying about "well how will the pee-pee stay clean!?!?" or again, dads wanting their sons to look the same. Once I heard about botched circumcisions I was officially an anti, and then I witnessed newborn babies in the family be forced to undergo such procedures. The crying and the way they tried to cope with that pain sealed the deal for me.

Despite being cut myself, I never understood the whole "no dick-cheese build-up" argument.

From the way I understand it, if you don't wash your dick enough, you'll get smegma and itchy rashes. But like, doesn't that go for any body parts that needs to be routinely cleaned like armpits, feet, or brushing your teeth before real bad stuff starts to buildup?

I know I'm kinda repeating that one example from OP, but can any uncircumcised-bros enlighten me on if washing your dick is really any different/worse than any other body part that has gross buildup?

People forget the fact that vaginas also have smegma buildup as well. Genital folds will be genital folds. Pull back the folds whether it's a penis or vagina and you wash. Simple as.

it's not that hard to figure out. it's not like you're cleaning a grease trap at a fast food place.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

I know I'm kinda repeating that one example from OP, but can any uncircumcised-bros enlighten me on if washing your dick is really any different/worse than any other body part that has gross buildup?

Second me on this, too, despite being a gurl, 'cause this is a question I've been wondering about for a while now. Like how much more different is the cleaning compared to someone who's cut? Like it's more of a thorough cleaning, right? If the father is circumcised, how could he teach his son(s) about keeping the penis clean if the foreskin's still intact but he hasn't had one since he was eight days old? How does a father even approach his son(s) about genital hygiene anyway? It's not like I'm losing sleep over it, I just can't seem to figure this one out.

Also I don't see how pre-ejaculate is a penis "self-lubricating", honestly. The vagina self-lubricates to first-and-foremost clean itself, and then secondly to help with the friction of the entire shaft so the girl's not being rubbed raw in there. If the foreskin is covering the urethral opening anyway until the foreskin's pulling back from the friction/arousal, then how does it even assist in lubrication for the penis itself? It's not computing for me.

 

[Weed Eater]

Also I don't see how pre-ejaculate is a penis "self-lubricating", honestly. The vagina self-lubricates to first-and-foremost clean itself, and then secondly to help with the friction of the entire shaft so the girl's not being rubbed raw in there. If the foreskin is covering the urethral opening anyway until the foreskin's pulling back from the friction/arousal, then how does it even assist in lubrication for the penis itself? It's not computing for me.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3225416/

"The foreskin also protects a man’s female sexual partners, says Denniston. First, an intact penis glides in the foreskin during intercourse, reducing friction. Second, the exposed glans of a circumcised penis becomes coarser over time, a process known as keratinization, and is more abrasive to the internal mucous membrane of the vagina."

“You take the foreskin away and let the glans callus and you end up irritating the hell out of the vaginal mucosa,” says Denniston. “Everyone in the US uses lubricants because the basic function of sexual intercourse has been disrupted.”

If there is a skin hood over the glans it promotes a moist environment. It technically matches the idea of "self-lubrication" considering what happens to the glans of the penis when there isn't a foreskin.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

Second, the exposed glans of a circumcised penis becomes coarser over time, a process known as keratinization, and is more abrasive to the internal mucous membrane of the vagina."

Interesting. Is this just due to being exposed to the open air, the acidic vagina being its acidic self, or does age also cause this?

“Everyone in the US uses lubricants because the basic function of sexual intercourse has been disrupted.”

I also want to see numbers for what age-group uses lubricants on a more regular basis because menopause in women fucks up how the vagina self-lubricates thanks to hormones becoming demented, and also just age making everything deteriorate.

 

[Weed Eater]

Interesting. Is this just due to being exposed to the open air, the acidic vagina being its acidic self, or does age also cause this?


I also want to see numbers for what age-group uses lubricants on a more often basis because menopause in women fucks up how the vagina self-lubricates thanks to hormones becoming demented, and also just age making everything deteriorate.

I feel like I'm PLing talking about this stuff lmfao, but yes keratinization can happen due to just being exposed to air, age, or honestly I think the biggest culprit is circumcised males not using lubricant when they masturbate. Even women are not exempt from doing this. Coarse rubbing on anything whether it's from your clothes or someone's hand (or your own) will cause callusing.

As for age groups? I think it's a good mix. I personally have my own lady problems and sometimes I need that extra help despite being in my early 20s. Birth control is an obvious culprit as well when it comes to womens' unnatural hormone fluctuations now too, considering my own problems I had while on Nexplanon, and the many anecdotes I hear from other women about B.C.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

I feel like I'm PLing talking about this stuff lmfao, but yes keratinization can happen due to just being exposed to air, age, or honestly I think the biggest culprit is circumcised males not using lubricant when they masturbate. Even women are not exempt from doing this. Coarse rubbing on anything whether it's from your clothes or someone's hand (or your own) will cause callusing.

Condoms could also be the culprit, too (you're supposed to lube it up anyway, but perhaps both the dick and the rubber). So guess the solution is "stop having sex" lol. But this:

As for age groups? I think it's a good mix. I personally have my own lady problems and sometimes I need that extra help despite being in my early 20s.

My mind runs a mile a minute so this slipped my mind when I was writing my post up there, but yeah, not all women are gushers and it may just be on an individual level for all I know (heard that about birth control, yeah). This is probably why lubricant is more likely to be used (it's sold all over the world and not just here in America) and it's not (just) because the dick is cut. I thought I read somewhere our poor diets might be why this is the case women aren't sopping wet before penetration, but who knows.

 

[Weed Eater]

Condoms could also be the culprit, too (you're supposed to lube it up anyway, but perhaps both the dick and the rubber). So guess the solution is "stop having sex" lol. But this:

Condoms slipped my mind! You're probably head on with this theory as well. I mean hell if you don't lubricate the inside of the condom as well as the outside you run the risk of friction tearing/snapping that piece of latex anyways.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

Condoms slipped my mind! You're probably head on with this theory as well. I mean hell if you don't lubricate the inside of the condom as well as the outside you run the risk of friction tearing/snapping that piece of latex anyways.

Once read on Cracked years ago that apparently mentioned something about microscopic cuts from the rubber and it made me go "FUCK THAT SHIT" so fast. So I dunno, maybe our modern birth control practices are what's causing "sexologists" (is that even the proper word for them? lmao) to wonder why the act of sex has "changed" compared to centuries past since no one's using sheepskin or whatever anymore. I guess.

I dunno, sounds like everything's just fucked and our genitals have to suffer the consequences.