The Windows OS Thread - Formerly THE OS for gamers and normies, now sadly ruined by Pajeets

[Overly Serious]

While I've never had this problem, it's crazy that it would ever do this. My Windows laptop decided this morning it couldn't find the WiFi unless I rebooted. I'm never sure which dogshit thing that happens to me is ASUS or MS's fault, though.

My semi-informed intuition would go with the hardware though you never know. I've not had that problem on any of my Windows systems.

Oh, and what I said about how the weird delayed loading made Windows Explorer feel like a web app to me?



So yes, I don't know what the problem specifically is but File Explorer is opening but there's a delay in loading what are presumably all dynamic elements in it now. So old Win32 File Explorer executes, reads the file system, displays. Their lastest one since late last year executes, and then starts dynamically loading things like "C:" and Desktop but sits there like a lemon whilst this loading process takes place. Which in my case is often slow.

I wonder why. The Sep 23 does line up with when I anecdotally started noticing this problem btw. I have a couple of mapped drives which it wouldn't shock me had something to do with this. I may unmap them and see if the problem stops happening, though it's not consistent so it will take a while to tell.

I wonder what's next? Will File Explorer be implemented in Electron?

 

[jeff7989]

My work computer does something similar. I can't start my environment script, until OneDrive finishes syncing after login, which is a bit annoying.

As for explorer, it may be XAML, but that doesn't mean that it's not filled with JS pajeetware or some other slow garbage.
Even fucking calculator takes a while to load.

 

[the rat]

I wonder what's next? Will File Explorer be implemented in Electron?

Microsoft have actually made a xaml explorer before for the Xbox One (and it weirdly came preloaded on Windows 10). It's extremely limited obviously but it does perform well for what Microsoft wants it to do. Open quickly, opens files/folders quickly and performs file operations as quickly as the win32 explorer.

What perplexes me about this is that they have managed to make the technology they built under Windows 8 (where the UWP programs ran quite fast) so slow under 11. How the fuck do you do that?

 

[Betonhaus]

I remember about two or three years ago on a whim I had tried running Linux as my OS for about a month. And my conclusion was that doing so was pretty painless, but there was no reason to do so. I never imagined that Microsoft would make that reason

 

[The Ugly One]

So yes, I don't know what the problem specifically is but File Explorer is opening but there's a delay in loading what are presumably all dynamic elements in it now. So old Win32 File Explorer executes, reads the file system, displays. Their lastest one since late last year executes, and then starts dynamically loading things like "C:" and Desktop but sits there like a lemon whilst this loading process takes place. Which in my case is often slow.

99% of this seems to come back to some pajeet deciding some simple utility you rely on to do boring things needs to have faggotry dancing across it.

 

[Peaches the Wonder Cat]

To make things extra confusing, Microsoft has now released an app called "Windows App".

https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/windows-it-pro-blog/windows-app-now-available-on-all-major-platforms/ba-p/4246939

(It's Remote Desktop.)

 

[King Vidiot]

My Windows laptop decided this morning it couldn't find the WiFi unless I rebooted. I'm never sure which dogshit thing that happens to me is ASUS or MS's fault, though.

I was regularly having this problem on one of my Windows 11 laptops until I changed the Band Selection setting in the driver for the WiFi card from dual band to 2.4GHz. 5GHz coverage to where my laptop usually sits probably isn't good enough to have a reliable connection. I think the band selection algorithm used by the driver or OS isn't smart enough to figure this out and keep the network link up reliably.

 

[The Ugly One]

I was regularly having this problem on one of my Windows 11 laptops until I changed the Band Selection setting in the driver for the WiFi card from dual band to 2.4GHz. 5GHz coverage to where my laptop usually sits probably isn't good enough to have a reliable connection. I think the band selection algorithm used by the driver or OS isn't smart enough to figure this out and keep the network link up reliably.

This wasn't my issue. The wifi adapter could not detect any networks at all until a reboot. While I don't ultimately know which vendor to blame, I do know I can blame pajeets.

 

[Demonslayer1776]

I like how OneDrive shares your desktop across multiple devices, so that whether on my laptop or my desktop, I have tons of dead shortcuts for the games I installed on one, but not the other. It seems like they did a lot of things to copy OSX without asking how Windows is different and how that might affect design decisions.

OneDive suffers from the same issues that alot of Microsoft's worse products suffer from. They released a half-assed implementation to try and compete with a better, more focused product, to ensure that businesses would use their solution and pay more for MS licensing, The product has some major flaws, but they can't actually fix it because there are now business customers who will get pissed if something "breaks" if any changes are made. Now everyone is stuck with a poorly implemented and buggy piece of software. I really wish we could see proper fixes for some of these applications and they would just force people to move along. So much time gets wasted on bugs or bad defaults that should've been fixed ages ago.

 

[Gog & Magog]

No, Microsoft, I will not sign into any of your desktop apps because I enjoy my local account staying local.

 

[Demonslayer1776]

No, Microsoft, I will not sign into any of your desktop apps because I enjoy my local account staying local.

The attempt to force cloud accounts onto every desktop it's atrocious. It may work for normies but it's terrible for everyone else. It's an inconvenience for users who are above average, and in a corporate environment it involves building custom images that may be unnecessary, or teaching entry level helpsesk how to bypass it. It's blatant that MS has pushed too far in this direction because it improves their data mining profits. There are alot of sensible uses for cloud accounts but forcing them onto everyone has gone too far. MS is far too eager to force more product on you when there are actual software improvements that should be made.

 

[Overly Serious]

99% of this seems to come back to some pajeet deciding some simple utility you rely on to do boring things needs to have faggotry dancing across it.

Actually the new features in File Explorer are mostly things I like. Well, tabbed file windows mainly, but generally other tweaks to functionality are positive. It's that it seems to be poorly coded is my issue. Or else there's something lower level that it doesn't handle well. There's now way I should be watching it spin for 5 seconds before it shows my local drives.

To make things extra confusing, Microsoft has now released an app called "Windows App".

https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/windows-it-pro-blog/windows-app-now-available-on-all-major-platforms/ba-p/4246939

(It's Remote Desktop.)

I looked through this for any significant differences to Remote Desktop but the main thing seemed to be some TCP/IP tunnelling thing which I don't think would be applicable to my cases. Maybe it's a game-changer for some?

The attempt to force cloud accounts onto every desktop it's atrocious. It may work for normies but it's terrible for everyone else. It's an inconvenience for users who are above average, and in a corporate environment it involves building custom images that may be unnecessary, or teaching entry level helpsesk how to bypass it. It's blatant that MS has pushed too far in this direction because it improves their data mining profits. There are alot of sensible uses for cloud accounts but forcing them onto everyone has gone too far. MS is far too eager to force more product on you when there are actual software improvements that should be made.

Amen to this. It's double-dipping, too. Google products are mostly free and they make their money by George Orwelling your life. But Microsoft products I pay for. You can have a "free" business model based on spying on your users but Microsoft want you to pay them to spy on you. Fuck that.

 

[The Ugly One]

The attempt to force cloud accounts onto every desktop it's atrocious. It may work for normies but it's terrible for everyone else. It's an inconvenience for users who are above average, and in a corporate environment it involves building custom images that may be unnecessary, or teaching entry level helpsesk how to bypass it. It's blatant that MS has pushed too far in this direction because it improves their data mining profits. There are alot of sensible uses for cloud accounts but forcing them onto everyone has gone too far. MS is far too eager to force more product on you when there are actual software improvements that should be made.

There are a whole bunch of companies right now who are trying to force enterprise customers onto cloud services because it will increase their revenue. Nevermind that the cloud service is less stable, more outage-prone, and has major bandwidth & latency bottlenecks. You vill eat ze bugs!

 

[Gog & Magog]

Nevermind that the cloud service is less stable, more outage-prone, and has major bandwidth & latency bottlenecks.

And sometimes an algorithm thinks you violated the TOS and then deletes all your data on their servers without explanation. Happened to a friend after a year on OneDrive. I believe he had some music on there and the stupid system must have thought it a DMCA violation or something. He's since learned to backup his work onto external drives.

 

[anustart76]

OneDive suffers from the same issues that alot of Microsoft's worse products suffer from. They released a half-assed implementation to try and compete with a better, more focused product, to ensure that businesses would use their solution and pay more for MS licensing, The product has some major flaws, but they can't actually fix it because there are now business customers who will get pissed if something "breaks" if any changes are made. Now everyone is stuck with a poorly implemented and buggy piece of software. I really wish we could see proper fixes for some of these applications and they would just force people to move along. So much time gets wasted on bugs or bad defaults that should've been fixed ages ago.

The most infuriating thing about its being crammed into Windows is how it absolutely shits all over everything if you're trying to do development work (because of how development usually means you end up with a lot of random build files, dependency files, etc). I had to make a separate offline folder outside of Documents on my work laptop.

Amen to this. It's double-dipping, too. Google products are mostly free and they make their money by George Orwelling your life. But Microsoft products I pay for. You can have a "free" business model based on spying on your users but Microsoft want you to pay them to spy on you. Fuck that.

It's like how a lot of newer games, like sports games, have the $100 entry fee and still have the gall to throw microtransactions at you.

 

[Overly Serious]

The most infuriating thing about its being crammed into Windows is how it absolutely shits all over everything if you're trying to do development work (because of how development usually means you end up with a lot of random build files, dependency files, etc). I had to make a separate offline folder outside of Documents on my work laptop.

Windows (or NTFS?) is terrible at copying over large numbers of files. I have the exact same problem you have and I typically zip the whole development directory into an archive, copy that, and then uncompress it on the other side. An order of magnitude quicker. You'd think the Windows developers could figure out how to do something like that behind the scenes, though I suppose it would make everything an all or nothing - but that can be a good thing.

I should probably write my own copy utility.

It's like how a lot of newer games, like sports games, have the $100 entry fee and still have the gall to throw microtransactions at you.

I don't actually mind DLC when it's worthwhile and the core game still feels complete. Marvel's Midnight Suns is a great (and wildly misunderstood) game with a tonne of content in the core game. So when they want money for a DLC that actually adds a significant amount to the core game, I don't mind it. Dragon Age: Origins was another example where the core game even without DLC was extremely substantial and the larger DLCs actually added significant amounts. But microtransactions - fuck those!

 

[The Ugly One]

It's like how a lot of newer games, like sports games, have the $100 entry fee and still have the gall to throw microtransactions at you.

These newer sports games probably can't make their development costs back in a year based off the sale price alone. MTX buyers are subsidizing the graphics, sounds, and online infrastructure you enjoy if you don't buy them.

The most infuriating thing about its being crammed into Windows is how it absolutely shits all over everything if you're trying to do development work (because of how development usually means you end up with a lot of random build files, dependency files, etc). I had to make a separate offline folder outside of Documents on my work laptop.

And you really don't get enough OneDrive space unless you pay for it. It's just so halfassed. There are a bunch of programs that are installed on both my desktop and my laptop, like Steam and Thunderbird, yet on my laptop, for whatever reason, the icons won't load.

 

[jeff7989]

Windows (or NTFS?) is terrible at copying over large numbers of files. I have the exact same problem you have and I typically zip the whole development directory into an archive, copy that, and then uncompress it on the other side. An order of magnitude quicker. You'd think the Windows developers could figure out how to do something like that behind the scenes, though I suppose it would make everything an all or nothing - but that can be a good thing.

I should probably write my own copy utility.

Have you tried something like fastcopy?

 

[Overly Serious]

Have you tried something like this fastcopy?

Just tried it. Copied the folder of a very small project that used npm so still many small files. The directory itself was only 379MB in size and it took 1 min 41 secs to completely copy. Fast copy took 15 seconds for the same directory. These were two local drives so remove network speed and USB speed from consideration.

(Yes, I know it's not normal to copy npm files with the project, it's just an example).

So pretty neat utility. Certainly way faster and lots of configurable options. Looks like I could set up regular jobs with this. I have some use cases for it, thank you. It still needs just that tiny little bit more polish though because having enabled the shell extensions I can right click and copy and paste with it, but it pops up its own dialogue window every time I do when what I'd like is to be able to just treat it wholly as a substitute for normal Windows copy and paste, etc. rather than pop up a second windows with a separate execute button to click. I know why they probably did that but would be neater for me if not. Still, great recommendation - this'll be useful. Thanks.

 

[the rat]

Just tried it. Copied the folder of a very small project that used npm so still many small files. The directory itself was only 379MB in size and it took 1 min 41 secs to completely copy. Fast copy took 15 seconds for the same directory. These were two local drives so remove network speed and USB speed from consideration.

I take it this would mean that the problem is to do with Windows Copy itself and not NTFS then? I have heard one theory being that WC is single threaded causing the slow performance but I don't know, what do you think?