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Windows Central: Microsoft has a problem: nobody wants to buy or use its shoddy AI products — as Google's AI growth begins to outpace Copilot products (archive)
A recent report from The Information detailed how Microsoft's internal AI efforts are going awry, with cut forecasts and sales goals for its Azure AI products across the board. The Information said that Microsoft's sales people are "struggling" to meet goals, owing to a complete lack of demand. Microsoft denied the reports, but it can't deny market share growth trends — all of which point to Google Gemini surging ahead.
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The Mass Shooter Ron Soye said:
Windows Central: Microsoft has a problem: nobody wants to buy or use its shoddy AI products — as Google's AI growth begins to outpace Copilot products (archive)
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At my last job, they rolled out copilot for the devs and made it sound like a huge deal that was gonna triple productivity. The reality is that every big company meeting was the C-suite getting mad because only the junior devs were using it and they were using it for stuff like, "how do I concatenate a string in Kotlin" whereas the senior devs almost universally didn't touch it.
 
Fcret said:
At my last job, they rolled out copilot for the devs and made it sound like a huge deal that was gonna triple productivity. The reality is that every big company meeting was the C-suite getting mad because only the junior devs were using it and they were using it for stuff like, "how do I concatenate a string in Kotlin" whereas the senior devs almost universally didn't touch it.
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That's basically the core issue with all the "agentic AI" pipe dream bullshit. Since forever, computers existed so that they do what the user wants them to do. Windows served that for decades, even during the Win10 era. Now, the peanut brained Pajeets at Microsoft's AI division have decided that actually, you should give up your agency to the computer and let the computer think for you, let the computer decide what you want to do. This is inherently incompatible with the very idea of computers existing, and so people don't use that shit as they'd be less productive with "agentic AI" """helping""" them. No one but Microsoft's shareholders wants this shit, yet we all have to suffer.

Then again, the bigger elephants in the room is how Win11's codebase is falling apart and how it's React UI is still garbage, be it performance wise or feature wise. Throwing out the old taskbar and replacing it with one that doesn't have the feature parity of the fucking Windows 95 taskbar when it was first introduced is some GNOME 3 tier bullshit.
 
The Ugly One said:
That, and a non-deterministic scripting platform that requires more computing power than the latest game running at 4K with raytracing maxed out is maybe a flawed idea from the outset.
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A lot of machines have been forced to become Copilot+ ready (40 TOPS) by Microsoft, and next-gen should be in the 70-100 TOPS range for the NPUs. These should be good enough for basic inference. For example, Qualcomm with a 45 TOPS NPU claims 30 tokens/second for llama-7B.

Intel "Nova Lake" NPU 6 Delivers 74 TOPS for Desktop AI PCs

I think you can force some LLMs to be deterministic if you use the same random seed, set "temperature" to zero, etc. Pretty sure I've done that with image generation too, i.e. I could recreate my avatar if I kept all inputs and the seed the same.

RAM is a problem. The Copilot+ sticker requires 16 GB, which should be the new minimum for all PCs. It's still not a lot for a bunch of cached webpages and a 7B LLM, and you want a lot more RAM for larger LLMs.

In short, praise Satya and Roko's basilisk.
 
The Mass Shooter Ron Soye said:
A lot of machines have been forced to become Copilot+ ready (40 TOPS) by Microsoft, and next-gen should be in the 70-100 TOPS range for the NPUs. These should be good enough for basic inference. For example, Qualcomm with a 45 TOPS NPU claims 30 tokens/second for llama-7B.
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"Measure-Command { Get-ChildItem -Recurse | Select-String -pattern "myString" | Select Path }" is 27 tokens, so that'd be nearly a full second on the Qualcomm NPU just to generate that string. No faster than just googling, "powershell command to search file hierarchy for string," and hardly the speed you'd need for a real-time agent.

Plus the infinite attack surface.
 
Slav Power said:
Those sort of circlejerking articles that every media outlet including Gamers Nexus peddles only help to fuel the enshittification on both sides of the aisle, so no matter what you choose you'll be stepping in shit. Do you really want that? Or do you want it to be like it was 15 years ago circa Windows 7 when both Windows and Linux were actually good operating systems?
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Late reply but I'd like to emphasize that I tried to install DXVK on Troonix, and even following the documentation I fucked up halfway through. On Jeetdows all I have to do is download a .msi or at the most manually unzip it.
 
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Sooty Soot said:
Late reply but I'd like to emphasize that I tried to install DXVK on Troonix, and even following the documentation I fucked up halfway through. On Jeetdows all I have to do is download a .msi or at the most manually unzip it.
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I believe it's to be used in tandem with Wine/Proton through DLL overrides. Never tried gaming on Linux outside of firing up Minecraft so idk really. Thing is, on Linux it's practically a necessity due to DirectX not being supported there. On Windows it's just a happy little accident.
 
Sooty Soot said:
Late reply but I'd like to emphasize that I tried to install DXVK on Troonix, and even following the documentation I fucked up halfway through. On Jeetdows all I have to do is download a .msi or at the most manually unzip it.
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why would you admit you can't read
 
Will the ram shortage among other things force these fags to optimize their software or will they continue as if nothing is happening?
 
The Mass Shooter Ron Soye said:
Windows Central: Microsoft has a problem: nobody wants to buy or use its shoddy AI products — as Google's AI growth begins to outpace Copilot products (archive)
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I wouldn’t read too much into this. Remember when Docs and Sheets were going to replace Office? Google is more likely to crash and burn while Microsoft has always been the slow and steady with product lines that last for decades (aside from their mobile APIs, but that’s another story).

Fcret said:
At my last job, they rolled out copilot for the devs and made it sound like a huge deal that was gonna triple productivity. The reality is that every big company meeting was the C-suite getting mad because only the junior devs were using it and they were using it for stuff like, "how do I concatenate a string in Kotlin" whereas the senior devs almost universally didn't touch it.
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Sounds like you don’t work there anymore, but C-suite giving a shit about the tools engineers use is always a bad sign. You think Trump gives a shit if his builders are using Caterpillar or Bobcat? He doesn’t (and shouldn’t) give a shit about that.

Most companies seem to be integrating Github Copilot this way: ‘Here’s the cost of an Enterprise seat for your team members. Use it if you need it. Make sure nobody is using a standalone/personal account (for security reasons).’
 
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I will probably die on the windows 10 hill.I'm looking at Linux Mint is like a dying man looking at experimental medicine, as a tech illiterate this is hell.
 
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I will probably die on the windows 10 hill.I'm looking at Linux Mint is like a dying man looking at experimental medicine, as a tech illiterate this is hell.
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I'm gonna be the world's #1 Copilot Defender here, and not just to be contrarian. It is actually quite useful to have a button on your desktop that takes you directly to an LLM interface rather than going through your browser. It could be improved, but it's nice to have and certainly not damaging the UX.

As for the start menu, there's a setting to shift it to the left if having it at the center is hurting your soul, pinned applications are actually handy -- does anyone really access all 500 items on their Start menu equally, all the time -- and as shitty as Search is in the general case (it was awful in Win 10 here, so it's at least not a regression), if you're looking for something on your Start menu, it comes right up instantly. Search also instantly brings up your last used and most frequently used apps.

No, it's not perfect, and there are a number of jeetified glitches and bugs, but that combined with a much more intelligible UI due to moving away from monkey-see-monkey-do Flat Design, it's overall a better experience than Win 10.
 
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The Ugly One said:
It is actually quite useful to have a button on your desktop that takes you directly to an LLM interface rather than going through your browser.
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If you have a use for an LLM. Otherwise it's useless clutter. But also not the "spying AI that you cannot remove" everyone shits themselves about, it's just a glorified web browser tab.
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As for the start menu, all they have to do to make it not shit is copy what Windhawk is already doing and make the full program list visible by default instead of hiding it behind a non-descriptive icon adding another unnecessary click to the workflow compared to 10. It's all React webshit so it's trivial to modify and redo to look like this.

Same for the lack of the ability to resize and move the taskbar. Bring it to parity with what it was back when it first released on Windows 95 all the way up to 10 you useless shitskins.
 
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