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Betonhaus said:
Just as an exit survey which distros did you try?
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Mint and Ubuntu. Tried a few others in the (distant) past. Everything is just a pain in the ass on Linux. I know everyone says it has gotten a lot better and obviously it depends on the distro but I just don’t see it.
 
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Troonbolone Acetate said:
if the retarded tranny devs over in Washington
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Since when was Hyderabad in Washington?

drammamean said:
Mint and Ubuntu. Tried a few others in the (distant) past. Everything is just a pain in the ass on Linux. I know everyone says it has gotten a lot better and obviously it depends on the distro but I just don’t see it.
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I just ran into an issue with a mission-critical app that is flat out fucking broken in RHEL 10, and no I'm not recompiling from sources. The absolute nonchalance Linux has toward binary compatibility makes this OS forever feel like some basement autist vanity project.
 
IDK. I am a lifelong computer nerd sure but I only run into a few programs now and again that I just can't make work on Linux. It's either an old ass game (so I go play something else) or software that has an alternative of some kind.

So I just keep using Linux. My backup is a Macbook though.
 
TJT said:
IDK. I am a lifelong computer nerd sure but I only run into a few programs now and again that I just can't make work on Linux. It's either an old ass game (so I go play something else) or software that has an alternative of some kind.
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I have been using Linux on servers for 20 years. Having a "few programs that don't work" after an update means a million dollars worth of equipment sits useless until we can figure out what the fuck to do. Now I am in the situation of possibly losing a very important client because RHEL 10 broke a productivity stack due to one application in it not having been rebuilt against whatever API in Linux changed this time.

bUt mUh gAmEz

my nigger nobody cares about games
 
The Ugly One said:
I have been using Linux on servers for 20 years. Having a "few programs that don't work" after an update means a million dollars worth of equipment sits useless until we can figure out what the fuck to do. Now I am in the situation of possibly losing a very important client because RHEL 10 broke a productivity stack due to one application in it not having been rebuilt against whatever API in Linux changed this time.

bUt mUh gAmEz

my nigger nobody cares about games
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Oh yeah Linux in enterprise environments is a different ballgame then using Linux on a home computer.

It's easy enough to just go "lol just use Linux" where distro hopping or going back of something breaks is trivial and just a weekend project. Enterprise you're making a. Million dollar decision and you have to be absolutely sure that everything you need you can support itself or trust to be supported. Were there any warning signs that the setup would be sketchy?

Have you tried running that application in a container with an older OS that doesn't have the broken ABIs, or running it on a slower moving distro like Debian?
 
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Linux at home is hell because you have to be your own sys admin, you’re constantly tweaking things and then updating and then tweaking again because the update changed everything.

Linux at work is hell because you to deal with the troons at Red Hell to get anything fixed and they just don’t so you have to come up with some ridiculous workarounds or just constantly bring up new VMs.

Ironically the best Linux experience is on embedded systems.
 
Betonhaus said:
Oh yeah Linux in enterprise environments is a different ballgame then using Linux on a home computer.

It's easy enough to just go "lol just use Linux" where distro hopping or going back of something breaks is trivial and just a weekend project. Enterprise you're making a. Million dollar decision and you have to be absolutely sure that everything you need you can support itself or trust to be supported. Were there any warning signs that the setup would be sketchy?

Have you tried running that application in a container with an older OS that doesn't have the broken ABIs, or running it on a slower moving distro like Debian?
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I won't get into details. The container didn't work for [reasons]. There was a squirrelly little binary that escaped notice. The workaround is unacceptable because it won't pass audit standards. Basically the little stick in this picture broke:

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The root problem is the six million (wooden doors on kernel modules? impossible!) crumbly pieces of crap that make up a full Linux distro feel no real obligation to keep binary compatibility from release to release. The amount of shit that breaks from one RHEL major release to another (or SLES, doesn't matter, they're all the same). It is a damn shame Solaris, IBM, and HP were too greedy and retarded to work together on a single commercial UNIX version and sell it at a reasonable price. We've lost so much great technology over the years because big corporations are run by monkeys.
 
The Ugly One said:
I have been using Linux on servers for 20 years. Having a "few programs that don't work" after an update means a million dollars worth of equipment sits useless until we can figure out what the fuck to do. Now I am in the situation of possibly losing a very important client because RHEL 10 broke a productivity stack due to one application in it not having been rebuilt against whatever API in Linux changed this time.

bUt mUh gAmEz

my nigger nobody cares about games
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Nigger I thought we were talking about home shit.

I don't work in infrastructure so that particular problem is not one I have to deal with.
 
TJT said:
Nigger I thought we were talking about home shit.
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You have to go back. This is not a Linux or gaming thread and any non-Windows systems are unwelcome here.
George Lucas said:
Linux at home is hell because you have to be your own sys admin, you’re constantly tweaking things and then updating and then tweaking again because the update changed everything.

Linux at work is hell because you to deal with the troons at Red Hell to get anything fixed and they just don’t so you have to come up with some ridiculous workarounds or just constantly bring up new VMs.

Ironically the best Linux experience is on embedded systems.
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You too, you have to go back. Nobody is shitting up the Linux thread with work stories about Windows Server or Windows IoT.
 
The degree of enshittification of Windows that has to happen for it to be as bad as Linux is immense. Imagine if a new version of Windows means any application binary over 3 years old has a decent chance of just not running at all. People piss and shid and fard over a new application not running on a 15-year-old version of Windows, well, something built for RHEL 10 won't run on RHEL 9. RHEL 9 came out in 2022.

Anyone switching to Linux because "muh forced updates" is in for a rude surprise.
 
The Ugly One said:
I won't get into details. The container didn't work for [reasons]. There was a squirrelly little binary that escaped notice. The workaround is unacceptable because it won't pass audit standards. Basically the little stick in this picture broke:

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The root problem is the six million (wooden doors on kernel modules? impossible!) crumbly pieces of crap that make up a full Linux distro feel no real obligation to keep binary compatibility from release to release. The amount of shit that breaks from one RHEL major release to another (or SLES, doesn't matter, they're all the same). It is a damn shame Solaris, IBM, and HP were too greedy and retarded to work together on a single commercial UNIX version and sell it at a reasonable price. We've lost so much great technology over the years because big corporations are run by monkeys.
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I’ve sperged about this before in the Linux thread, so I’ll try not to sperg too much here, but essentially the way that Posix systems handle dynamic linking sucks massive dick and Windows does it way better. The simple reason as to why is that Windows makes it really easy for applications to have application specific libraries by just placing them in the same directory as the executable, while on Posix you have to essentially subvert the linker using containers or other means. The problems that Linux faces with this are not unique, but they are exacerbated by its reliance on a large amount of effectively 3rd party software.
Posix isn’t like this for no reason. Arguably, application specific dynamic libraries defeat the entire purpose of dynamic libraries in the first place. The Unix solution to application specific libraries is to just statically link them instead of dynamically. The problem with that is that a lot of libraries and even systems make it really annoying to statically link shit. It’s also a compile-time only decision, so if you decided to dynamically link against a library that later broke on you, you’re SOL.
 
August Levasseur said:
I’ve sperged about this before in the Linux thread, so I’ll try not to sperg too much here, but essentially the way that Posix systems handle dynamic linking sucks massive dick and Windows does it way better. The simple reason as to why is that Windows makes it really easy for applications to have application specific libraries by just placing them in the same directory as the executable, while on Posix you have to essentially subvert the linker using containers or other means.
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I never had any problem with .so linking in Linux.
 
drammamean said:
Mint and Ubuntu. Tried a few others in the (distant) past. Everything is just a pain in the ass on Linux. I know everyone says it has gotten a lot better and obviously it depends on the distro but I just don’t see it.
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I think you're either impatient or mentally challenged if you consider Mint and Ubuntu a "pain the ass".
 
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