The Writing Thread

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You can cheat by being a creepy weirdo who hangs out at busy cafés all day and listens to other people's conversations without ever talking to them, though this probably only works if you live in some shithole major or capital city.

There's a lot of things that won't help you with. It might give you a superficial sense of the way people speak and behave, but you wouldn't be able to create a deeper psychological profile of a character by listening to strangers. You need to actually form relationships with people.

Also, there's no shame in setting all your stories in the same location--Stephen King and, I believe, the Bronte sisters basically did that--but if you want to get a sense of different modes of life in different types of locations, it might help to travel a bit.

Maybe it makes dialogue flow more naturally

Dialogue is a weird one. I mean, everyone talks to people at least once in a while, or has done at some point. But some writers just have no knack for dialogue at all even if they're married, have friends, etc. Maybe it comes down to not being observant, or just not really understanding the people in their lives well.

As someone else said, it helps to read out loud. Or you can do what I do and imagine someone you know--who is similar personality-wise to the character in question--saying the lines you just wrote.

Living life could probably also give you fresh ideas you can never get from sitting in your room all day. I know a lot of writers are shut-ins who only engage with the world through books and consume media nonstop, and always in their head thinking about their fantasies, and don't really get out there and actually live life.

Is this really true? It sounds like a stereotype, like what non-writers think writers are like.

In terms of deriving inspiration for new stories, consuming a broad variety of media can actually be more helpful than "living life". Speculative genres will require you to invent entirely new rules for your world that don't exist in real life, and reading books that are similar can help you get a feel for how to implement those rules. Your average person's life can only be so interesting, anyhow--in fact, if an author imprints themselves too heavily onto their protagonist, and the events are too directly informed by their own experience, it is very obvious to the reader and I find it irritating because it suggests a lack of creativity. (Or, in a certain way, I guess I consider it dishonest--if you're going to write something autobiographical, write an autobiography, and if you're going to write fiction, write fiction. This isn't an objective truth, but I'm sure there are other readers who share my opinion.)

Rather than "living" yourself, I think the most important element is forming friendships with or at least interacting with a variety of people whose beliefs and lifestyles differ in some way from your own. I've written protagonists before who were much more like relatives of mine or characters from media I've consumed than myself, which I also prefer because my self-perception is often more volatile than my perception of others.
 
There's a lot of things that won't help you with. It might give you a superficial sense of the way people speak and behave, but you wouldn't be able to create a deeper psychological profile of a character by listening to strangers. You need to actually form relationships with people.

Also, there's no shame in setting all your stories in the same location--Stephen King and, I believe, the Bronte sisters basically did that--but if you want to get a sense of different modes of life in different types of locations, it might help to travel a bit.
Well yeah, that's why I called it cheating. It's not perfect by any means but still a lot better than nothing as a relatively quick/easy stopgap measure. Though I'd say you're wrong about necessarily needing "relationships" in that most people are actually very shallow and puddle deep even when you do get to know them, and what you do get to know if they open up to you directly over time just tends to be more specific information about how and why they're fucked up rather than anything particularly deep or even that unexpected in most cases.

Even all the so-called "life experience" everyone who thinks they're too young or sheltered in life tends to be jealous of is usually just code for seeing terrible fucked up shit and if that's all you want to add to your "lived experience" as a writer or whatever gay shit, just work at a big hospital for a couple of years, preferably in the ICU if you can manage to get a job there, even a menial part time one. That or just volunteer, I forgot about that option but it's probably easier than getting hired. You'll run into all sorts of people at their lowest point in life, or right before/after they die, sometimes even celebrities depending on where it's located.
 
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I have a question about writing. I'm curious as to how much real life experience you should have to make your writing more grounded in reality. Maybe it makes dialogue flow more naturally, or make the hero's journey more convincing if you actually experience these things in real life. Living life could probably also give you fresh ideas you can never get from sitting in your room all day. I know a lot of writers are shut-ins who only engage with the world through books and consume media nonstop, and always in their head thinking about their fantasies, and don't really get out there and actually live life. But I also know there are writers, for example Michel de Montaigne whose real life experience is the spice that gives his writing life. So my question is, what lifestyle can make you a good writer?

You're going to suck at writing if you don't keep a notepad with you for writing down interesting things you see and conversations you pick up on, but books and movies are good sources of those details as well, especially if whatever you're writing is set in the past or the future.
 
I was on my nightly incel walk and came to the incredibly arrogant conclusion that it's the difference between people who want to tell a story, and those who can't take an objective look at their work because they need to fill a hole inside of them with arse pats in their little circlejerk bubble.

I wonder if this fog bloke is really autistic because we all get stuck on the 'how many chairs can fit on this X by Y sized verandah' question and need to figure it out before we can continue. Surely he's experienced passing through fog before.


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Okay, that made me laugh really hard. And so did the rest of it. It's like the diary of a mad man. Just write in your own language, don't worry about English.

Partyman ordered the fog book to help him learn English. Alas, it was a picture book.
goodluck on my indonesian
 
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I wrote a short story set in the Old Man Logan universe about how Bullseye came to work for the Red Skull as shown in the Old Man Hawkeye series. I also wrote another one about a villain team being sent after Carnage shortly after the villain takeover. Tell me your opinion once you’re finished reading.
 

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This is a poem I wrote earlier today. I call it [I'll Piss on Your Grave Twice]. When I have a good day, I can't help myself from rhyming. So I decided to write it down for once.


I'll Piss on Your Grave Twice
By PonderosaPete

I'll give the Ponderosa deets, on PonderosaPete,
He's got that Ponderosa meat, that he's willing to beat

I'm so sweet sassy Moclassy, Oh sweet sassy molassy,
If you over twenty five better watch your sweet sassy mo assy,

Leave a woman in my presence,
I'll show her who is a menace,
Better believe she's serving her penance,

A perceived crime against me,
Is one I'll never let be,
Taste my Ponderosa skills that part the red sea,

I'm pissy once, I'll piss on you twice,
Dead or alive I'll be rolling those dice,
No paradise, I'll reee like the three blind mice,
Leave you scratching your head like ponderosa lice,

Pete is all anger and fight, I'll mald you all night,
I can bench twenty pounds, and if I smell fright,
Then I just might, end up taking a bite,
Open my flaps and take off like a kite,

I got abandonment, see?
The issue, oh gee,
At the procession, I'm saving this pee,

If you ask me a fave,
I'll piss on your Grave,
Even cremation from this can't save,

You from the Ponderosa elite, this fists are gun fleets,
Just take a seat, for this poem's complete.
 
So, been a while since the last post; how's everyone doing? Making any progress on your writings?
I’m fifteen chapters in on this bizarre novel made from my travel journals and life experiences, dialed up to an extreme degree but still retaining some core messages and beliefs I’ve developed.

It’s my first bit of writing that’s “mine” and not a project, words for money or any kind of gig like that.
 
I'm in the middle of a final polish and gave myself until the end of March to finish it. I'm about 75-80% of the way through and was making good progress until I had to start working 6 days a week in the middle of Feb so I'm not sure I can get it done now. If it takes longer, it takes longer.
 
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Haven't been able to do all that much writing myself, lately; IRL's having some difficulties. Done a bit of storyboarding, got some ideas down, need to figure out how to fit everything together. Mostly just world building right now, getting some ideas down that I like.
 
Consider gawking at weirdos and their unique stories. If you need bizarre traumatic nightmare fuel to motivate whatever…
”Balls the size of dinner plates.” “Diamond beaded pangs of sweat.”
Fur Affinity and F-list.
It’s a hedonistic ecosystem of hobbyists and addicts who tirelessly innovate amongst themselves to chase fading highs.
That, or just read Consider This by Chuck Palahnuik.
Chuck doesn’t traumatize you.
 
Consider gawking at weirdos and their unique stories. If you need bizarre traumatic nightmare fuel to motivate whatever…
”Balls the size of dinner plates.” “Diamond beaded pangs of sweat.”
Fur Affinity and F-list.
It’s a hedonistic ecosystem of hobbyists and addicts who tirelessly innovate amongst themselves to chase fading highs.
That, or just read Consider This by Chuck Palahnuik.
Chuck doesn’t traumatize you.

I'd suggest the Kennel Club Book Club for this type of stuff; the fandom's got a LONG history of making messed-up shit, and if you're wanting to see real nightmare fuel, I'd suggest looking there. I will say that the typical furry storyline is good for two things: either as examples of what NOT to do when writing, and/or providing ideas for villain characters. There's something for everyone, as long as you've got a strong stomach; I'd suggest The Korps if you're looking for superhero/supervillain stuff, for instance.
 
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”Balls the size of dinner plates.”

That metaphor doesn't even work. Do furries know what soccer balls are?

Fur Affinity and F-list.
It’s a hedonistic ecosystem of hobbyists and addicts who tirelessly innovate amongst themselves to chase fading highs.

F-List profiles have the foulest prose I've ever read. I recommend checking the F-List thread if you want to glimpse unimaginable horrors.
 
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tf yall do when facing burnout
i tried drawing one page like 5 times alr and shit aint changed
i feel like i have bad complusion of second i dislike art i scrap entire page
 
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You take a break or switch to another project.
How long does it take for you on average to go back?
I overestimated myself and i drew in couple of days 5+ pages and revamped them every so often while working on new ones only to find out i'm not that guy.

I'll just then focus on writing since its my weakness
If my writing ends up being to others shit and corny then i'll prob ask someone to help at least in rewriting my
mess. I made like new revamped exposition dialouge and few more new exchanges
 
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How long does it take for you on average to go back?

Just keep opening it up once a day and see if it motivates you to do something, if not just close it and consider your daily check-in done. Keeping it out of sight will just make you abandon it, if you make a small ritual out of checking every day you'll make a habit.
 
Just open the page.
If you have the page open, just pick up the pen.
If you have the pen in hand, just one stroke, or one word.
If you've written one word, just one sentence or one shape.
If you've one sentence or shape, one paragraph or figure.
Til the job is done.

Avoidance will not do you any favours. Confront the thing directly, even as small as possible, and you will find it's easier than you think to keep going.
 
How long does it take for you on average to go back?
I overestimated myself and i drew in couple of days 5+ pages and revamped them every so often while working on new ones only to find out i'm not that guy.

I'll just then focus on writing since its my weakness
If my writing ends up being to others shit and corny then i'll prob ask someone to help at least in rewriting my
mess. I made like new revamped exposition dialouge and few more new exchanges
Do you want us to hold your hand, man?
 
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